League lays foundation for suspending player without arrest or charges

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League lays foundation for suspending player without arrest or charges
Posted by Mike Florio on April 15, 2010 10:26 PM ET
We've previously pointed out the presence of ambiguous language in the Personal Conduct Policy that makes the potential suspension of players who have never been arrested or charged uncertain. The Personal Conduct Policy never has been applied to a player who has not faced criminal charges, and doing so in the case of Steelers quarterback Ben Roethlisberger would set a new -- and potentially dangerous -- precedent.

But the notion that players will be subject to discipline only if arrested or charged speaks to one of the major concerns we long have had regarding the Personal Conduct Policy. If it will be invoked only if a police officer sees fit to apply handcuffs or a prosecutor sees fit to obtain an indictment, the authorities will have too much power over the process -- specifically in cities where there could be an inclination to look the other way out of deference to the local team.

Here's the key language that has caused us to question whether Roethlisberger or any other player could be suspended under the Personal Conduct Policy without an arrest or charges: "Unless the case involves significant bodily harm, a first offense will generally not result in discipline until there has been a disposition of the proceeding."

Without an arrest or charges, there is no "proceeding." Thus, without a disposition of the "proceeding," there can be no discipline under the Personal Conduct Policy for a first offense.

An April 7, 2010 memo obtained by the New York Times reiterates the portions of the Personal Conduct Policy that contemplate a higher standard of behavior than mere compliance with the law. "The Policy makes clear that NFL and club personnel must do more than simply avoid criminal behavior," the memo states. "We must conduct ourselves in a way that 'is responsible, that promotes the values upon which the league is based, and is lawful.'"

The memo also contains what could be a hint regarding the manner in which the league will deal with the "until there has been a disposition of the proceeding" clause. Apart from the wiggle room supplied by the term "generally," the league could argue that, in Roethlisberger's case, the month-long investigation was the "proceeding." We base that conclusion on this sentence from the memo: "Whether it involves your team or another, these incidents affect us all - every investigation, arrest, or other allegation of improper conduct undermines the respect for our league by our fans, lessens the confidence of our business partners and threatens the continued success of our brand."

Given that any imposition of discipline under the Personal Conduct Policy is appealed by the Commissioner and that Roethlisberger seems to be ready to accept whatever punishment he gets, it's unlikely that the league's potential decision that an investigation without charges constitutes a "proceeding" sufficient to permit discipline would be successfully challenged. Though this could force the NFL in the future to fully explore every "investigation" and "other allegation of improper conduct" short of an arrest or indictment, the league appears to be willing to continue to deal with these situations on a case-by-case basis, and in this case the league could conclude that the evidence is crying out for something substantial.

Frankly, the more we think about the contents of those witness statements, the less surprised we'd be by a suspension of eight games, or more.
 

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Its not the personal conduct policy that allows this. Its actually not all that ambiguous. What the issue is a clause in the players contract that basically gives the commissioner free reign to suspend and/or ban players for whatever reason he wants.
 

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Ah think you are correct.

However, Roger G is hamstrung by the law and arbotrators and such in these times and there is a limit to what can be done to somebody who has not been charged.

I have no law trainng but i have watched a lot of shows about the courts.
 

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The club will give him a short suspension condoned by the commish. I'd say no more than two games. Just a guess.
 

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I dont see what they can do to the guy unless he gets proven guilty of something.

Who knows if he is really guilty or not? My initial reaction to every superstar that gets blamed for something is that it is true and they did it. But obviously that is not the case and there are people out there that try and trap people like him.

So if the courts dont want to do anything to big Ben than Goodell has no right to punish him IMO.
 

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CATCH17;3349626 said:
I dont see what they can do to the guy unless he gets proven guilty of something.

Who knows if he is really guilty or not? My initial reaction to every superstar that gets blamed for something is that it is true and they did it. But obviously that is not the case and there are people out there that try and trap people like him.

So if the courts dont want to do anything to big Ben than Goodell has no right to punish him IMO.

http://viewer.zmags.com/publication/34732966#/34732966/252

Thats the CBA. On page 255 is the clause that basically says the commissioner can determine something is not in the best interest of the league and do whatever he wants.
 

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jobberone;3349624 said:
The club will give him a short suspension condoned by the commish. I'd say no more than two games. Just a guess.


I have never felt more strongly about an incident than I do this one.

I will write my first ever letter to the league if he only gets 2 games.

The ****er shouldn't ever play another down, dude is a 100 million dollar QB and he has shown ZERO appreciation for his blessings and even shown a disregard for people.

I hope the piece of trash is handed a karmic justice. And I hope it's a painful one.
 

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I wouldn't mind him getting 8 games + at all. It shouldn't be said, but I would laugh my ******* rear end off if in his first game back someone does a Bernard Pollard on both his knees. Poetic justice in his case.

Had one of his bodyguards drag a drunk girl back into a bathroom to rape her? Didn't show up for a Make-A-Wish child appointment?

Yeah, I'm pretty much wanting instant karma for Ruthlessraper, beyond what the league can hand down.
 

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SaltwaterServr;3349735 said:
I wouldn't mind him getting 8 games + at all. It shouldn't be said, but I would laugh my ******* rear end off if in his first game back someone does a Bernard Pollard on both his knees. Poetic justice in his case.

Had one of his bodyguards drag a drunk girl back into a bathroom to rape her? Didn't show up for a Make-A-Wish child appointment?

Yeah, I'm pretty much wanting instant karma for Ruthlessraper, beyond what the league can hand down.

I think Schefter was saying he should be a poster boy for what not to do and get a year off.
 

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here is my thing....accusations should cause you to be suspended. if you go to court and are found guilty, then suspensions should take place.

however, anyone can be accused of anything at anytime. i am not saying he is innocent or guilty. i wasnt there, i dont know. i think he is a complete knucklehead for consistently putting himself in situations that seem to turn out negatively.
 

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Adam Jones situations reincarnated again....and anyone worries about a conviction?

Care to start adding up out of court settlements and fines?
 

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I think the Anti Steelers bias (and rightfully so) here has something to do with peoples reaction in this case. I think it is troubling to have a commissioner suspend a player that hasnt been charged with a crime. I think Ben R is guilty. However, i cant agree that an accusation should result in a suspension from the league.

Now imagine this...... A competitor in the nfc east decides to take us out this year by having a women accuse romo of touching her. The police cant even charge him because the evidence isnt their. How would we feel if our QB is suspended because of a false allegation? I love women. But i have known too many guys that have even been cuffed and taken in because their women calls the cops and says he threatened her. A good buddy of mine had an argument with his girl and she called the cops to get back at him. This guy hasnt hit a women in his life. She tells the cops he pushed her and he gets taken in. Forced to spend money and time on an anger management class ect. The legal system assumes every man is guilty of every charge a women accuses him of.

The point is the league is starting something dangerous here.

Suspending a player because of an allegation isnt right. It has the potential to hurt the league as much as the personal conduct policy helps the league.
I have always wondered how the professional sports leagues have somehow found ways to write their own laws. Like suspending or fining a player for criticizing the refs. Players are denied their constitutional rights of speech by the league.
 

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ROFL, Roethlisberger should be suspended for being an IDIOT. Dude's 29 with a 100 million dollar contract and a couple of Super Bowl rings, and I bet he still goes home with the fat chick after buying girls shots of Smirnoff. :bow: to you Ben.
 

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League lays foundation? Try Big Ben lays foundation. :laugh2:

I love all the strife going on up here in Steeler land. It's great.
 

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The NFL is not a court of law they do how ever have the right to suspend players for poor conduct be it on the field or off the field. Had this been a 1st time situation the league would not be considering suspending him but because this has continued to be an issue the league will step in. The player and owner know this and are informed about what is expected out of player who represents the NFL
 

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"Lays the foundation?" The league has been suspending players who haven't been arrested or charged for years.

And yes, the league has the legal right to suspend players, because that right is specified in the collective bargaining agreement, which means that the players have agreed to it. Each player also signifies his agreement when he signs his contract.
 

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AdamJT13;3350090 said:
"Lays the foundation?" The league has been suspending players who haven't been arrested or charged for years.

And yes, the league has the legal right to suspend players, because that right is specified in the collective bargaining agreement, which means that the players have agreed to it. Each player also signifies his agreement when he signs his contract.

True. One of the 1st events rookies will attend after the draft is a seminar on what is expected of them and talks on how to avoid some of the pit falls waiting for them.
 

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hornitosmonster;3349591 said:
I agree 100% and Big Dumb Ben should get a big fat suspension...
I agree too. The policy is about "personal conduct" not arrest record. IMO, This could also apply to players (or coaches) that flip off fans during a game or something to that extent.

There is a fine line... these guys have money and with that comes a bullseye on their backs. But, they need to learn to NOT put themselves into situations where they can be accused of wrong doing (or rape)
 

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good now they need to get the college kids under control. Maybe if they have 1 arrest they cant be drafted in the first 2 rounds 2 and they cant be drafted until the 6th or later 3 and you have to go UDFA to sign with a team and if you have 4 strikes before even coming to the NFL you are ban from signing with a team for 1 year while you are put under a microscope by the NFL. If there is a rookie salary caped scaled from position drafted then this could help cut down on a lot of the BS from these kids.
 
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