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[ok not really but]

While I do think Garrett shares in the blame game, it isn't to the extent many of you are willing to crucify him for. I think the guy is very capable and he proved it last year. I'll take Michael Irvin's opinion over couch coaches anyday and he is right; execute the play the way it's designed and then tell me it won't work. Last year T.O. was excited and it was all fresh and things were clicking with the big changes. This year things start out where they left off. Then things start to sour from the inside. Where it started? Who knows. Slowly T.O. is being more and more vocal, we have injuries including Romo of course and B.J. does a terrible job standing in and can't muster any passing game whatsoever. This adds even more pressure. At this point the receivers are grumbling (in public) and the OL won't block. Time after time Barber is hit for a loss as soon as he get's the ball- we can't get a running game going and receivers are quitting routes while Romo runs for his life. (I watched the Saints use the same little pass out wide on 3rd & 1 and it worked like a charm. It has to be executed properly I guess?)
Whitten (Mr. Dependable) runs a good route but w/ TR having to dump the ball Whitten is keyed on constantly. (witness his string of serious injuries every week this year) Of course the defense knows Tony will look for him but how many times has that stopped the play from working?
Pressure is mounting from every area- internally, media etc. and Romo caught literally in the middle try's to "make plays" but this obviously doesn't always work and TR was clearly not himself this year, December or no December. (I must add that even missing games he is still clearly a top QB and across the board his stats reflect this)
Garrett listened to the receivers. He knows what works and btw he's not new to this game....maybe he relied on last years success and maybe he trusted or counted on a broken machine. T.O. needs the ball! But for _______ reason he isn't open or Romo doesn't get the time to throw or Tony was rattled or 'something' -he constantly forced the ball and made bad throws we've seen him make time after time. T.O. alligator armed catches & sometimes half-heartedly ran routes. RW ran poor routes and Romo didn't usually get time for those late reads like he did early in the year.
They couldn't hook up like they did last year. The chemistry is bad, obviously. Not saying it can't be fixed/repaired, just that it was easy to see this coming apart at the seams instead of coming together was open to the public.
Garrett depends as much on the players as they depend on him. It isn't "all Garrett's fault" or Romos or T.O. etc.. They stopped supporting each other and it was too much take and not enough give from one side or another, but they are professionals and I'm sure they (no not necessarily Wade) will get this straightened out.
Yeah they could run more slants or screens but this system works. The Cowboys ran over teams last year with offense. Not defense. This was one of the highest scoring (2nd or 3rd?) offenses of all time last year. But obviously the machine needs to run smoothly and all the little parts have to sync.

Anyway since I'm sick of the fire so and so and cut this recently mega contract signed player etc. threads I thought why not add my opinion. I'm sorry if it isn't doom and gloom enough for some. :(
 

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I thought you were going to dawn a blonde wig and an effeminate lisp while you screamed into the camera with fake melodrama.:)
 

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This system doesn't work consistently. Against better defensive coordinators, it's easily figured out.

It's also very one-dimensional/unbalanced. Every passing play is from the shotgun. There is very little variety in the types of routes the receivers run and little variety in the way the receivers are aligned.

His play calling is atrocious. He blunders 3rd and short consistently. He does absolutely ZERO to get defenses off balance.

He's just a bad offensive coordinator.
 

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I expect more from Witten than we are getting... for 3 million, we should be alot smarter on 3rd and short, we should be using the shotgun less, we should be to the line of scrimmage faster - we should be more productive considering our talent. I am also concerned that this guy wanted Brad Johnson - that's a bad sign. We are getting less than the sum of our parts on offense. I think some of his defenders are defending him based on nostalgia, rather than what we've seen from him - which was a hot season, followed by a cold one.
 

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l2obert;2548170 said:
Leave Garrett alone!

Aikbach;2548225 said:
I thought you were going to dawn a blonde wig and an effeminate lisp while you screamed into the camera with fake melodrama.:)

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LWSjUe0FyxQ[/youtube]
 

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Aikbach;2548225 said:
I thought you were going to dawn a blonde wig and an effeminate lisp while you screamed into the camera with fake melodrama.:)

That's the first thing that I thought of too!
 

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Aikbach;2548225 said:
I thought you were going to dawn a blonde wig and an effeminate lisp while you screamed into the camera with fake melodrama.:)


Just leave Britney alone!!!
 

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Sorry, but Jason "Tecmo Bowl" Garrett does not get a pass.

He is the highest paid assistant coach in the NFL and his offense is freaking garbage.

Ray Lewis is standing at the line of scrimmage calling out the play to his defense before we snap the freaking ball!!!!!!

I am sorry, but if the linebacker for the opposing team is calling out your play before you even hike the dam ball (and is actually correct 95% of the time), that is all on the coordinator.

When the franchise QB says that they could not figure out what the defense was doing until the freaking 4th quarter...........that is a problem, and that is on the coordinator.

I could go on, but I think we all get the point. Garrett was freaking embarrassed anytime we played a decent defensive coordinator.

Dont even get me started on the play calling, that is another whole ball of wax from "Coach Tecmo".
 

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Beast_from_East;2548430 said:
Sorry, but Jason "Tecmo Bowl" Garrett does not get a pass.

He is the highest paid assistant coach in the NFL and his offense is freaking garbage.

Ray Lewis is standing at the line of scrimmage calling out the play to his defense before we snap the freaking ball!!!!!!

I am sorry, but if the linebacker for the opposing team is calling out your play before you even hike the dam ball (and is actually correct 95% of the time), that is all on the coordinator.

When the franchise QB says that they could not figure out what the defense was doing until the freaking 4th quarter...........that is a problem, and that is on the coordinator.

I could go on, but I think we all get the point. Garrett was freaking embarrassed anytime we played a decent defensive coordinator.

Dont even get me started on the play calling, that is another whole ball of wax from "Coach Tecmo".



Great Post!!!!! You :hammer: !!!!
 

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I totally agree..However I would like to see not on Garrett leave but Wade too..Jerry has too much money tied up in this experiment to blow it up shame on him..What I dont get is Garrett was apart of the Dynasty and has forgotten how we did it then..Jerry is stinking it up just like Al Davis with his methods..Jason Garrett is not ready to run an offense..
 

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Beast_from_East;2548430 said:
Sorry, but Jason "Tecmo Bowl" Garrett does not get a pass.

He is the highest paid assistant coach in the NFL and his offense is freaking garbage.

Ray Lewis is standing at the line of scrimmage calling out the play to his defense before we snap the freaking ball!!!!!!

I am sorry, but if the linebacker for the opposing team is calling out your play before you even hike the dam ball (and is actually correct 95% of the time), that is all on the coordinator.

When the franchise QB says that they could not figure out what the defense was doing until the freaking 4th quarter...........that is a problem, and that is on the coordinator.

I could go on, but I think we all get the point. Garrett was freaking embarrassed anytime we played a decent defensive coordinator.

Dont even get me started on the play calling, that is another whole ball of wax from "Coach Tecmo".

What is shocking is that NFL teams still seemed to be interested in him as Head Coach.

He was in over his head as an Offensive Coordinator so let's give him a shot at Head Coach?
 

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I think Garrett is a young coach who has seen some success and some failure I don't think it is wise to give up on him I know that does not fit the mindset of some but I think too many live in the short term not the long haul.
 

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OK...lets say Red has some "potential".....

The offense started to struggle already back at the point of the Ariz game, did the loss of Romo at that point disguise the problems for Garrett?

Even after Romo came back, the offense operated in spurts and sputz's....He has to be able to recognize adaptations were needed....its like he refused to change anything in his system to make it "user friendly" to the personel he had

was he trying to run a Apple operating system in a Windows Hardware unit?
 

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CowboyMike;2548176 said:
It's W-i-t-t-e-n!

:bang2: sorry Witten.

Aikbach;2548225 said:
I thought you were going to dawn a blonde wig and an effeminate lisp while you screamed into the camera with fake melodrama.:)

Thats what I was trying to achieve minus the whole gayness overload lol. :eek::

JordanTaber;2548239 said:
This system doesn't work consistently. Against better defensive coordinators, it's easily figured out.

It's also very one-dimensional/unbalanced. Every passing play is from the shotgun. There is very little variety in the types of routes the receivers run and little variety in the way the receivers are aligned.

His play calling is atrocious. He blunders 3rd and short consistently. He does absolutely ZERO to get defenses off balance.

He's just a bad offensive coordinator.

Yeah, this is what prompted this thread. You say it's all Garrett as to why we use/have to use the shotgun or 3rd down is blundered or why receivers only run simple routes. I think a lot of it is on the players! Remember early on Wade talking about having to s-i-m-p-l-i-f-y for the players? That's the whole point. The Cowboys weren't executing and it didn't matter what play they used toward the end there was no commitment.

Doomsday101;2548460 said:
I think Garrett is a young coach who has seen some success and some failure I don't think it is wise to give up on him I know that does not fit the mindset of some but I think too many live in the short term not the long haul.

Thank you, I agree!

sbark;2548489 said:
OK...lets say Red has some "potential".....

The offense started to struggle already back at the point of the Ariz game, did the loss of Romo at that point disguise the problems for Garrett?

Even after Romo came back, the offense operated in spurts and sputz's....He has to be able to recognize adaptations were needed....its like he refused to change anything in his system to make it "user friendly" to the personel he had

was he trying to run a Apple operating system in a Windows Hardware unit?

Personnel changes could be a factor but this offense ran pretty smooth last year. Seems if I remember right that was about the time (middle of the year) they were tearing pages out of the playbooks in hopes the players could execute.
 

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Very unimpressed with Garrett.
He hasn't shown me anything since the midpoint of last season.

Pro bowl caliber talent at darn near every offensive position...
and shuttin' us down is still as simple as "Double T.O., bracket Witten".
 

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None of us are there. And even if we were most of us wouldn't know what the hell was going on.

But we can see success and the lack thereof.

SOMETHING IS WRONG. Defenses know what we're going to do. SINCE LAST YEAR. Too many have spoken the same words and backed it up. We aren't beating good teams often enough especially in big games.

Of course some of it is on the players and some on the coaches giving the defenses their due as well. But it is obvious there is a BIG problem with the offense and a great deal is on the OC. He is the one losing his audience. That's a bad sign.

Can this work out. Sure. They will acknowledge the problems and try to fix them. If he is as smart as we all think he'll adapt. If not he'll die (move on).
 

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Maikeru-sama;2548440 said:
What is shocking is that NFL teams still seemed to be interested in him as Head Coach.

He was in over his head as an Offensive Coordinator so let's give him a shot at Head Coach?

its the rooney rule

nfl teams are required to interview intelligent as well as stupid co-ordinators for all HC openings :eek:

i kid, i kid
i know, i know, he went to stanford lol
 

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jobberone;2548848 said:
None of us are there. And even if we were most of us wouldn't know what the hell was going on.

But we can see success and the lack thereof.

SOMETHING IS WRONG. Defenses know what we're going to do. SINCE LAST YEAR. Too many have spoken the same words and backed it up. We aren't beating good teams often enough especially in big games.

Of course some of it is on the players and some on the coaches giving the defenses their due as well. But it is obvious there is a BIG problem with the offense and a great deal is on the OC. He is the one losing his audience. That's a bad sign.

Can this work out. Sure. They will acknowledge the problems and try to fix them. If he is as smart as we all think he'll adapt. If not he'll die (move on).

I agree with you and I feel positive that they will come back in a big way. It starts at the OL and with receivers running through their routes. Romo has to read his options and make accurate passes. I believe this was not happening because of a combination of things and not just one or two guys poisoning the team.
 
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