Let's Assume: Rooney Rule...

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Let's assume that JJ didn't fulfill the Rooney Rule...

And you were the minority candidate he called...

Would you interview knowing that he's pretty much settled on Turner or would you politely tell him to scratch arse?...

Would you be insulted?...
 

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Obviously not if the person is coming to interview. Having an interview for any position is a major benefit for getting hired in the future.
 

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Hunter71;1347481 said:
Let's assume that JJ didn't fulfill the Rooney Rule...

And you were the minority candidate he called...

Would you interview knowing that he's pretty much settled on Turner or would you politely tell him to scratch arse?...

Would you be insulted?...

If it was an independent occurance i would likely tell them to kiss off.. but since Norv already interveiwed, and fly right back to SF, I bet Mike S is completely on board to the move with Norv as the DC. I think this is just a way to get him over here for an interview for the DC.

I wonder what kind of compensation would have to be given for an assistant to jump ship.
 

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abersonc;1347485 said:
Obviously not if the person is coming to interview. Having an interview for any position is a major benefit for getting hired in the future.
Agreed. At a minimum his hat gets automatically thrown in the ring for the next HC hiring round.
 

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Its no benefit if you know you are strictly window dressing. ITS all BS. No one will get hired on a ROONEY RULE interview unless he really blows the doors off. What you will get is a MINDSET against hiring anyone due to that stupid rule; these owners all have big ego;s and being told who they must interview has GOT to grate on them. ANOTHER reason its all BS.
 

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Well other organizations have run into a problem where minority coaches who know they're not really being considered as a candidate decline to be interviewed.

Detroit, for example, had a problem with candidates coming in because they knew that Millen wanted Mooch.

It's a catch-22 for those candidates. You appreciate the opportunity. You appreciate the experience you might get from the process. But you probably don't appreciate being set up for failure.
 

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I guess I'm more of a cynic...

I know, strange...

But I'd be pissed since I wasn't even considered a viable candidate the first time around and now that JJ is pressed into a corner, he calls me to fulfill an obligation to a rule...
 

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Its all a joke. Most of the times the owner already knows who he wants and is just treating the rule like he does tax laws- just something to get around and ignore.
 

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Hunter71;1347481 said:
Let's assume that JJ didn't fulfill the Rooney Rule...

And you were the minority candidate he called...

Would you interview knowing that he's pretty much settled on Turner or would you politely tell him to scratch arse?...

Would you be insulted?...

yeah...but I think in this case it might not be insulting because Turner probably wants to bring Singeltary with him as DC...Jones probably was told by the league they were buying the Bowles thing for an interview, and Norv probably got Singletary to agree to the "interview" to take care of the Rooney thing...Norv may have already had permission from the Niners to take Singletary with him as DC

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NFL said we were already in compliance with Rooney rule after we interviewed Bowles per DMN
 

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Hunter71;1347503 said:
I guess I'm more of a cynic...

I know, strange...

But I'd be pissed since I wasn't even considered a viable candidate the first time around and now that JJ is pressed into a corner, he calls me to fulfill an obligation to a rule...

So don't interview.

Singletary likely sees this as a chance to show his stuff.
 

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WoodysGirl;1347497 said:
Well other organizations have run into a problem where minority coaches who know they're not really being considered as a candidate decline to be interviewed.

Detroit, for example, had a problem with candidates coming in because they knew that Millen wanted Mooch.

It's a catch-22 for those candidates. You appreciate the opportunity. You appreciate the experience you might get from the process. But you probably don't appreciate being set up for failure.
I don't think that the Lions should have been fined. There would not have been a job opening if Mooch was not available.

I do like the idea of the Rooney Rule that makes it mandatory to interview minority candidates. I just think that when people refuse a interview that teams should not be held accountable. Look at the Steelers. Everyone assumed that their next head coach would be Whisenhunt and Grimm. I really thought that Tomlin was brought in to satisfy the Rooney Rule. Then what happened? He impressed the Rooneys enough that he got the job.
 

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burmafrd;1347496 said:
Its no benefit if you know you are strictly window dressing. ITS all BS. No one will get hired on a ROONEY RULE interview unless he really blows the doors off. What you will get is a MINDSET against hiring anyone due to that stupid rule; these owners all have big ego;s and being told who they must interview has GOT to grate on them. ANOTHER reason its all BS.

Link

I'll take Mike Tomlin for $200.:lmao2: :lmao: :laugh2: :rolleyes:
 

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COWBOYSNUM1;1347624 said:
I don't think that the Lions should have been fined. There would not have been a job opening if Mooch was not available.

I do like the idea of the Rooney Rule that makes it mandatory to interview minority candidates. I just think that when people refuse a interview that teams should not be held accountable. Look at the Steelers. Everyone assumed that their next head coach would be Whisenhunt and Grimm. I really thought that Tomlin was brought in to satisfy the Rooney Rule. Then what happened? He impressed the Rooneys enough that he got the job.


He didn't impress the Rooneys enough to get the job. Art told Russ Grimm he had the job but something, Goddellcoughcough, changed Dan's mind.
 

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Hunter71;1347481 said:
Let's assume that JJ didn't fulfill the Rooney Rule...

And you were the minority candidate he called...

Would you interview knowing that he's pretty much settled on Turner or would you politely tell him to scratch arse?...

Would you be insulted?...

Is it official that Singletary interviewed for the HC job? Maybe he interviewed for the DC job.
 

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I like the rule, and if the owners resented it, they have the power to vote for its elimination. I do think it gives the folks who are interviewed an opportunity to get some notice around the league and to hone their skills for future opportunities.

I also think it's the right thing to do. There was a time when appallingly few minority candidates were taken seriously. I don't think it was as much racism as it was the "good ol' boy network" in play. But one might argue that a "good ol' boy network" is, on its face, racist.

In any event, more minority coaches have been hired, and that seems to me a good thing.

I will concede that some of the interviews seem pointless. Clearly, Jerry Jones planned to hire Bill Parcells last time out, and nothing was likely to change his mind. But it's a small inconvenience to ask an owner to make time to do something that might offer some value. And it should have some value to the owner. Say Mike Singletary blows Jones away with a great interview, but Norv Turner is already the choice... a couple of years down the road, Jones might need a new head coach or a new defensive coordinator. What he learned about Singletary might be valuable to him at that point.

Further, owners deal with many personalities, a high percent of which are minority members. It can't hurt to sit down with a serious coaching candidate and learn a bit more about his perception of the league and its players.
 

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shaketiller;1347829 said:
I like the rule.

I like the spirit of the rule, to get some equality in the Head Coaching ranks, but I don't like the fact that an owner MUST meet the requirements of interviewing a minority coach. Imo, that somewhat puts a potential minority coach at a disadvantage.

Charity interviews are a slap in the face, imo. I think a guy's coaching resume speaks for itself.
 

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I thought Jerry satisfied the Rooney Rule with the Bowles interview. I think this one is legit and we might just be days away from a Norv, Singletary, Garrett 3 headed monster.
 
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