Lets Talk a Romo Stat

[Redball Express]

I don't think the pass protection is worst.

What I see is that we have abandon the very successful short passing game we had early on with Romo that was using 1 and 3 step drops that had Romo firing the ball out of there before the DBs could react or the defensive rush could get in the backfield.

We are now using 5 and 7 step drops often off play fakes that make the OL look worst because they can't hold those blocks for the long passing patterns now being used.

Romo's passing has deteriorated drastically because we are no longer getting the ball into the receiver's hands early when the DBs are still reacting to the play. We are constantly trying to throw middle to deep with crossing patterns and drag plays that take WAY too long to develop.

This is exactly what killed us with Bledsoe. Long developing passing plays the OL couldn't support. And Bledsoe not being mobil, made it even worst.

That's why we are now seeing the same level of play with Romo we previously had with Bledsoe that caused him to be benched. To many ints and sacks and we are not playing to Romo's strengths anymore.

Go back to the quick slants, quick curls, quick TE throws, screens to the RBs and some quick outs to make the defense play upfield and THEN go deep as we were doing successfully just a few games ago.

I'm surprised more of you guys haven't noticed this or mentioned it. With each passing game, it's becoming apparent that Romo's strengths are not being used and he's being asked to do something he's not ready to be..a drop-back pocket passer.

parcellswaterboy

 

[Frosty]

Its simple,....Plain as day........untill there is running game...all any team has to do is stop ROMO... JJ and the OL just purely SUCKS

 

[rcaldw]

What about yardage #'s?

Jones yardage - 1st 5 - 329
Jones yardage - last 5 - 231
Barber yardage - 1st 5 - 277
Barber yardage - last 5 - 162

main backs yardage 1st 5 - 606
main backs yardage last 5 - 393

Now, for a VERY interesting stat:

Ju Jones rushing per attempt in November 3.5 per carry.
In December PRIOR to today, 4.6 yards per carry

Barber in November 5.1
in December 4.7

Both backs in December over 4.6, which indicates a simple lack of patience with and commitment to the running game.

UNLESS, a lot of the big gains came in obvious passing situations. I have no way, other than looking at the games again, to determine that.

 

[Wrangler87]

Jones yardage - 1st 5 - 329
Jones yardage - last 5 - 231
Barber yardage - 1st 5 - 277
Barber yardage - last 5 - 162

main backs yardage 1st 5 - 606
main backs yardage last 5 - 393

Now, for a VERY interesting stat:

Ju Jones rushing per attempt in November 3.5 per carry.
In December PRIOR to today, 4.6 yards per carry

Barber in November 5.1
in December 4.7

Both backs in December over 4.6, which indicates a simple lack of patience with and commitment to the running game.

UNLESS, a lot of the big gains came in obvious passing situations. I have no way, other than looking at the games again, to determine that.

I'll bet if you subtract that one 77 yard run by Jones, it really changes those averages for December.

 

[dre1614]

Jones yardage - 1st 5 - 329
Jones yardage - last 5 - 231
Barber yardage - 1st 5 - 277
Barber yardage - last 5 - 162

main backs yardage 1st 5 - 606
main backs yardage last 5 - 393

Now, for a VERY interesting stat:

Ju Jones rushing per attempt in November 3.5 per carry.
In December PRIOR to today, 4.6 yards per carry

Barber in November 5.1
in December 4.7

Both backs in December over 4.6, which indicates a simple lack of patience with and commitment to the running game.

UNLESS, a lot of the big gains came in obvious passing situations. I have no way, other than looking at the games again, to determine that.

wow pretty big difference in yardage. I wonder if the reason is because of bad play calling, or the D has been on the field alot longer, and not giving the Offense enough drives

 

[The30YardSlant]

Heavy, do you think the pass protection has gotten worse the last 5 weeks? If that is the case, then you are right, that could definitely be a factor.

Romo has been hit nearly 3 times as many times in his last 5 starts as he did in his first 5. Teams are blitzing more, yes, but our line, particuarly Flozell, have just started sucking. The only players worth a damn on our line and worth keeping are Columbo and Gurode. Kosier is the weakest O-Lineman in the NFL, Flozell has lost his lateral movement, and Rivera gets beaten by even the simplest of moves now, he has almost zero hand/eye coordination anymore. He trips over his own feet half the time.

 

[jay cee]

I don't think the pass protection is worst.

What I see is that we have abandon the very successful short passing game we had early on with Romo that was using 1 and 3 step drops that had Romo firing the ball out of there before the DBs could react or the defensive rush could get in the backfield.

We are now using 5 and 7 step drops often off play fakes that make the OL look worst because they can't hold those blocks for the long passing patterns now being used.

Romo's passing has deteriorated drastically because we are no longer getting the ball into the receiver's hands early when the DBs are still reacting to the play. We are constantly trying to throw middle to deep with crossing patterns and drag plays that take WAY too long to develop.

This is exactly what killed us with Bledsoe. Long developing passing plays the OL couldn't support. And Bledsoe not being mobil, made it even worst.

That's why we are now seeing the same level of play with Romo we previously had with Bledsoe that caused him to be benched. To many ints and sacks and we are not playing to Romo's strengths anymore.

Go back to the quick slants, quick curls, quick TE throws, screens to the RBs and some quick outs to make the defense play upfield and THEN go deep as we were doing successfully just a few games ago.

I'm surprised more of you guys haven't noticed this or mentioned it. With each passing game, it's becoming apparent that Romo's strengths are not being used and he's being asked to do something he's not ready to be..a drop-back pocket passer.

parcellswaterboy

I see what you are saying, but I seem to remember in one game the announcers saying the defenses are now trying to force Romo to be a pocket passer.

They are probably crowding the receivers more and forcing them to go with the double moves. Which calls for more deep drops by the qb.

Another way to combat that type of defense like some have said, is to go more 3 & 4 WR sets.

 

[rcaldw]

Another interesting stat that says the poor defense/pressing plays a role:

Romo attempts 1st 5 starts: 153
Romo attempts last 5 starts: 157

With alot fewer rushing attempts, but only 4 more passing attempts, doesn't that say fewer possessions?

 

[Haley94]

Romo has been hit nearly 3 times as many times in his last 5 starts as he did in his first 5. Teams are blitzing more, yes, but our line, particuarly Flozell, have just started sucking. The only players worth a damn on our line and worth keeping are Columbo and Gurode. Kosier is the weakest O-Lineman in the NFL, Flozell has lost his lateral movement, and Rivera gets beaten by even the simplest of moves now, he has almost zero hand/eye coordination anymore. He trips over his own feet half the time.

I agree. Columbo and Gurode are the only keepers. Rivera fleeced Jerry. Kosier is a backup swing man. Flo is halfway to Saturn.

 

[Cochese]

Another interesting stat that says the poor defense/pressing plays a role:

Romo attempts 1st 5 starts: 153
Romo attempts last 5 starts: 157

With alot fewer rushing attempts, but only 4 more passing attempts, doesn't that say fewer possessions?

Thats the most interesting stat by far. I really dont know what to make of it.

Thanks for doing the legwork and bringing us these #'s.

 

[jay cee]

Another interesting stat that says the poor defense/pressing plays a role:

Romo attempts 1st 5 starts: 153
Romo attempts last 5 starts: 157

With alot fewer rushing attempts, but only 4 more passing attempts, doesn't that say fewer possessions?

Very likely fewer possessions, and probably more 3 & outs also. I know the defense has had trouble getting opponents offenses off the field lately.

 

[dre1614]

Another interesting stat that says the poor defense/pressing plays a role:

Romo attempts 1st 5 starts: 153
Romo attempts last 5 starts: 157

With alot fewer rushing attempts, but only 4 more passing attempts, doesn't that say fewer possessions?

if my math is correct that means Tony's first 5 starts we ran 299 plays

his last 5 starts we ran 249 plays.

 

[Frosty]

The one thing every serious Superbowl Contending team has is a RUNNING game... SD, NE, Baltimore, Chicago, Philly, etc

unitl the Cowboys get a solid reliablle RUNNING game, the superbowl will only be a preseaon hype,,,,,,just like this year was....pure hype.

 

[rcaldw]

The one thing every serious Superbowl Contending team has is a RUNNING game... SD, NE, Baltimore, Chicago, Philly, etc

unitl the Cowboys get a solid reliablle RUNNING game, the superbowl will only be a preseaon hype,,,,,,just like this year was....pure hype.

I agree with you Bigdog, but when your #1 back came into today's game averaging 4.6 yards per carry in December, and your #1a back is averaging 4.7, doesn't that say you can run the ball?

I wonder if a previous poster has it right when he thinks that maybe we abandon the run too easily.

Then again, when your defense is giving up early scores and you get behind, you end up HAVING to throw the ball.

With the defense knowing what is coming, the pass rush increases, the 3 and outs increase, the passing attempts are not much more, the rushing attempts are reduced, and you have what we have.

Maybe the answer is just to keep running the ball. Keeps the defense off the field longer.

I think the real culprit here, though, is the defense. I think the increased turnovers (the beginning of this discussion) are due to falling behind and then trying to "make" things happen.

 

[Wrangler87]

I agree with you Bigdog, but when your #1 back came into today's game averaging 4.6 yards per carry in December, and your #1a back is averaging 4.7, doesn't that say you can run the ball?

I wonder if a previous poster has it right when he thinks that maybe we abandon the run too easily.

Then again, when your defense is giving up early scores and you get behind, you end up HAVING to throw the ball.

With the defense knowing what is coming, the pass rush increases, the 3 and outs increase, the passing attempts are not much more, the rushing attempts are reduced, and you have what we have.

Maybe the answer is just to keep running the ball. Keeps the defense off the field longer.

I think the real culprit here, though, is the defense. I think the increased turnovers (the beginning of this discussion) are due to falling behind and then trying to "make" things happen.

Again, if you subtract Jones' 77 yard run, I'll bet it will show a drop off for December for his average.

 

[percyhoward]

The last seven weeks of the season our defense allowed 50% or more 3rd down conversions in every game, and as was mentioned during today's game, we were the worst 3rd down defense in the NFL over the last 7 weeks.

Somehow, we went 4-3 during those 7 weeks.

 

[rcaldw]

Again, if you subtract Jones' 77 yard run, I'll bet it will show a drop off for December for his average.

I don't doubt that you are correct (obviously you are), but I would be hesitant to do that, only because you have to figure in long runs all year long. In Ju Jones' first 5 games, his stats show long gains of over 23 yards, 3 times. One was a 36 yard gain. So if we backed out those runs in his first five games what would his average be? And remember, he only averaged 3.5 anyway!!!!!

 

[rcaldw]

But, just for information's sake. If you back out his 77 yard TD run. Julius Jones has averaged 2.9 yards per carry over the last 5 games.

 

[AdamJT13]

But, just for information's sake. If you back out his 77 yard TD run. Julius Jones has averaged 2.9 yards per carry over the last 5 games.

And if you take out Barber's longest run (13 yards), he has averaged 2.9 yards per carry over his past four games.

 

[wileedog]

But, just for information's sake. If you back out his 77 yard TD run. Julius Jones has averaged 2.9 yards per carry over the last 5 games.

And therin, combined with the pressing and becoming 1 dimensional in the 2nd half, is the problem.

The Saints and Eagles games snowballed the way they did because expecting Romo to convert 3 and 8 every time is simply never going to happen.