Let's talk about culture, Schotty's version vs reality

[Hawkeye0202]

LOL.

You cant be serious with this take.

Jerry wasnt sitting in on team meetings in the 90s, he also wasnt landing his helicopter on the practice field, the players also werent working out in an aquarium while tourists look at them.

Come on man, this is a terrible take. The culture in the 90s was JIMMY, and his beliefs and culture of winning was carried thru to the players by leaders like Aikman, Smith, and Irvin.

There is no comparison to Jerry from then to Jerry from now. Jerry then was focused on the business side, he had nothing to do with the football side, that is literally the reason for the split between Jerry and Jimmy. Jerry wanted to be in on football decisions, Jimmy said no.

This isn't what I'm saying.............there are 2 different versions of culture I'm questioning, one focus on discipline ( see Vrabel above ) and one focuses on team unity and leadership from a core of players. This is the one I think Schotty is trying to build to hold the locker room accountable when things get tough. For example ......the GB playoff loss we had zero leadership that week and boy, it showed up big-time during the game.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

LOL.

You cant be serious with this take.

Jerry wasnt sitting in on team meetings in the 90s, he also wasnt landing his helicopter on the practice field, the players also werent working out in an aquarium while tourists look at them.

Come on man, this is a terrible take. The culture in the 90s was JIMMY, and his beliefs and culture of winning was carried thru to the players by leaders like Aikman, Smith, and Irvin.

There is no comparison to Jerry from then to Jerry from now. Jerry then was focused on the business side, he had nothing to do with the football side, that is literally the reason for the split between Jerry and Jimmy. Jerry wanted to be in on football decisions, Jimmy said no.

So wasn’t guys at the White House under Jimmy watch? Stabbings in locker room?

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

This isn't what I'm saying.............there are 2 different versions of culture I'm questioning, one focus on discipline ( see Vrabel above ) and one focuses on team unity and leadership from a core of players. This is the one I think Schotty is trying to build to hold the locker room accountable when things get tough. For example ......the GB playoff loss we had zero leadership that week and boy, it showed up big-time during the game.

Yeah I’ll be honest Vrabel sounded like he was talking to children. Those guys should’ve known that stuff before coming to the NFL…

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Reality please begin work on the delusion zone.

What’s delusional about his post? I commend him for actually making a post and not the same posts we get over and over.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Jerry was the owner in the 90s when we won 3 Super Bowls ..........culture was fine.

Yeah people aren’t gonna like this because I know how high people hold Jimmy…..I don’t think the culture ever changed. I don’t think Jerry ever changed who he was. We saw it there with Parcells. Parcells changed the culture around here….but Jerry wanted TO and he was gonna get TO.


Those 90s Cowboys teams were full of some wild guys. And Jimmy has admitted he treated guys different based on their skill. He treated Mike different than he did the 53rd person on the roster. He had to.

Cowboys benefited heavily from having talent. More than anyone in the league. I believe the 90s culture may have been worse especially towards the tail end of Jimmy’s reign which is in part why he wanted to leave.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So, what culture do you think Schotty is talking about .......

all coaches do pretty much the same.
we are instilling a culture of winning. we are going to focus on football. every position is open for competition. those who show up in practice will show up in games. we are going to be a disciplined team. our focus is in winning in january. blah blah blah.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

I feel like all this culture talk is Jerry's Barnum and Bailey spin on being lazy with the coaching hire. I am not buying it yet.

he banks on fans not remembering the same things were said, 4,5 years ago with the previous coach...that's how he build cowboys to be the most valuable franchise in any sport, yet one of the worst post season in history of any sport.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

The Dallas Super Bowl winning teams of the 90's were a reflection of Jimmy Johnson. The winning culture was a product of his creation, not Jerry Jones.

Team culture is almost always a by-product of the head coach's influence, not owners. That is true of all team sports. Johnson was a hedge against Jones' influence. Bill Parcells' was partially corrective.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Bingo DallasEast.......Is this NOT what Schotty is trying to do?

is this what MM tried to do? is this what garrett tried to do? is this what wade tried to do?

they all try. Jerry over rides them eventually. this is year one. everyone is happy, giddy. hopefull. wait until season 2, when jerry starts to meddle again and it starts to fall apart.

 

[Vtwin]

In all fairness to Mike the stupid Owner landed a helicopter on the practice field last season for crying out loud!

That was flat out stupid of Jerry, but it also was an opportunity for MM (and the team leaders) to respond to that stupidity in a positive way. That could have been used to rally the troops, so to speak, if they had the guts to use it that way.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Yeah people aren’t gonna like this because I know how high people hold Jimmy…..I don’t think the culture ever changed. I don’t think Jerry ever changed who he was. We saw it there with Parcells. Parcells changed the culture around here….but Jerry wanted TO and he was gonna get TO.


Those 90s Cowboys teams were full of some wild guys. And Jimmy has admitted he treated guys different based on their skill. He treated Mike different than he did the 53rd person on the roster. He had to.

Cowboys benefited heavily from having talent. More than anyone in the league. I believe the 90s culture may have been worse especially towards the tail end of Jimmy’s reign which is in part why he wanted to leave.

oh, jerry changed. Jerry admited when he first bought the team he had no idea about how to run a football team and that's why he brought Jimmy. Jimmy was a master Psychologist and how he managed the team, their psyche and locker room. he made everything we do about winning and nothing else mattered.

Jerry tried to take over after and it was disasterous. the team won once with Switzer because the old coaches were there, pretty much the same players and they ignored Switzer and willed their way to another superbowl.

then three disaterous 5-11 seasons. he brought parcells because he admited he didn't know what he was doing. let parcells do his thing for a couple of years and even Jerry said he learned a lot from parcells. then he started to meddle again, and parcells left, with one year on his contract because he had enough.

jerry then realized he has a cash cow in his hand and focused on increasing value of franchise and enjoy TV time, as opposed to focus on winning.

 

[LonnieElam]

I love it. I can totally see why Jerry hired Schotty.

....he's just as delusional as Jerry.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

So wasn’t guys at the White House under Jimmy watch? Stabbings in locker room?

stabbing was boys getting a little too wild with their rookie pranks. people talk about it as if it was a gang related activity in the locker room.

and when you win 3 superbowls, then people get high on their success. it got worse after jimmy left as Switzer was just a happy go lucky good ole boy just enjoying his infamy with the cowboys.

but if you want to give me three superbowls and another white house, then by all means please do. because the past 30 years of good boys ain't working obviously.

 

[Gambit]

When does training camp start again?

 

[phildadon86]

So wasn’t guys at the White House under Jimmy watch? Stabbings in locker room?

Remind me. Were they winning?

The culture on the field is what matters. And those guys would die for each other. Our guys cant wait to throw someone else under the bus.

I love when fans try to take away from what Jimmy and Jerry accomplished to try and boast about what they have accomplished without each other.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

oh, jerry changed. Jerry admited when he first bought the team he had no idea about how to run a football team and that's why he brought Jimmy. Jimmy was a master Psychologist and how he managed the team, their psyche and locker room. he made everything we do about winning and nothing else mattered.

Jerry tried to take over after and it was disasterous. the team won once with Switzer because the old coaches were there, pretty much the same players and they ignored Switzer and willed their way to another superbowl.

then three disaterous 5-11 seasons. he brought parcells because he admited he didn't know what he was doing. let parcells do his thing for a couple of years and even Jerry said he learned a lot from parcells. then he started to meddle again, and parcells left, with one year on his contract because he had enough.

jerry then realized he has a cash cow in his hand and focused on increasing value of franchise and enjoy TV time, as opposed to focus on winning.

I believe Jerry in the 80s changed for sure. But I don’t think the Jerry in the 90s did especially after the first SB. I remember reading a quote from him talking about he runs his football team like he runs his businesses. He has his hands in everything. I don’t think Jerry ever changed who he was….maybe towards Jimmu but Jerry was always this oil salesman producing profit. He spearheaded the addition of the salary cap even though he knew it would kill the edge he and other markets had.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Remind me. Were they winning?

The culture on the field is what matters. And those guys would die for each other. Our guys cant wait to throw someone else under the bus.

I love when fans try to take away from what Jimmy and Jerry accomplished to try and boast about what they have accomplished without each other.

I didn’t take away anything from Jimmy and Jerry. I’m referencing this “culture” that people think just popped out of nowhere. My point is this culture changed in the 80s but those 90s teams had poor culture and it was headlined by Jerry. That doesn’t devalue what they accomplished. The Cowboys built a dynasty.

 

[phildadon86]

This isn't what I'm saying.............there are 2 different versions of culture I'm questioning, one focus on discipline ( see Vrabel above ) and one focuses on team unity and leadership from a core of players. This is the one I think Schotty is trying to build to hold the locker room accountable when things get tough. For example ......the GB playoff loss we had zero leadership that week and boy, it showed up big-time during the game.

The GB loss should have led to wholesale changes.

Instead. The owner kept the coach, and gave him nothing in a tantrum just to try and renew his contract for cheaper.

That my friend is a terrible culture.

 

[phildadon86]

I didn’t take away anything from Jimmy and Jerry. I’m referencing this “culture” that people think just popped out of nowhere. My point is this culture changed in the 80s but those 90s teams had poor culture and it was headlined by Jerry. That doesn’t devalue what they accomplished. The Cowboys built a dynasty.

The culture was winning.

Partying and doing dumb things isnt football culture. Its taking a bunch of people, and making them believe in one goal.

That is the culture. The problem in Dallas now is that everyone has a different goal.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

stabbing was boys getting a little too wild with their rookie pranks. people talk about it as if it was a gang related activity in the locker room.

and when you win 3 superbowls, then people get high on their success. it got worse after jimmy left as Switzer was just a happy go lucky good ole boy just enjoying his infamy with the cowboys.

but if you want to give me three superbowls and another white house, then by all means please do. because the past 30 years of good boys ain't working obviously.

You’re arguing something else. What I’m saying is this whole talk about 90s culture as if those teams were built on that is a lie. Jerry is the same guy now he was in the 90s. The culture is the same hell he let them do what they wanted and he too took part in the culture with all the drinking and cheating he was doing. I don’t care what these guys do I’m just saying the culture never really changed much.