Let's talk about culture, Schotty's version vs reality

[Hawkeye0202]

is this what MM tried to do? is this what garrett tried to do? is this what wade tried to do?

Not really........Schotty is the first Cowboys head coach since Jimmy Johnson to choose his ENTIRE staff w/o a leftover being forced on him by Jerry. Look, I see what you are saying about Jerry but what I'm saying is that it appears Schotty is trying to find/mold/strengthen team leadership. Not sure how or why Jerry would interfere with that........

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

The culture was winning.

Partying and doing dumb things isnt football culture. Its taking a bunch of people, and making them believe in one goal.

That is the culture. The problem in Dallas now is that everyone has a different goal.

Culture isn’t one thing. It’s a multitude of things.

 

[Vtwin]

I believe the 90s culture may have been worse especially towards the tail end of Jimmy’s reign which is in part why he wanted to leave.

Partly right. partly wrong.

Jimmy built the identity of that team, and that identity on game day and on the practice, field was all work, and all in it together. He has said that he knows his methods have a shelf life about five years. After that, his almost tyrannical approach starts to wear thin on the now veteran guys and they stop responding.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Its taking a bunch of people, and making them believe in one goal.

That is the culture. The problem in Dallas now is that everyone has a different goal.

You just nailed it Phil.........THIS is what I think Schotty is trying to change.

 

[John813]

Sounds good, and it may be built now, but the real test is the first few bumps in the road. Either a losing streak, a player getting upset, injuries etc... How will the coaching staff and players react? How much will Jerry step in and over rule the coach?

 

[tromofan]

It appears you are talking about discipline culture, similar to what Vrabel mentions above. I'm not sure that's the culture Schotty is building. I think he is trying to build a core of players to strengthen the leadership in the locker room. Similar to the '90s players mentioned above.

BTW........Jerry was also around during the 90s version of culture and that worked out pretty good. IMO, it's more about a small group of well-respected players who will hold other players accountable.

I agree with the first part of your comment, however, with the exception of pulling off the great train robbery trade, he fired the man responsible for that culture that worked out so well. Jerry is a micro-manager that is solely responsible for the culture that’s been here since.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Partly right. partly wrong.

Jimmy built the identity of that team, and that identity on game day and on the practice, field was all work, and all in it together. He has said that he knows his methods have a shelf life about five years. After that, his almost tyrannical approach starts to wear thin on the now veteran guys and they stop responding.

The key is winning...........for that EVERYONE has to be on the same page as a team willing to sacrifice. Look no further than the Eagles and Chiefs........

 

[Redsfan_83]

It's really simple, and no articles are needed to read. If you win the culture is great, if you lose, the culture sucks.

There you have it, enjoy your day!

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Partly right. partly wrong.

Jimmy built the identity of that team, and that identity on game day and on the practice, field was all work, and all in it together. He has said that he knows his methods have a shelf life about five years. After that, his almost tyrannical approach starts to wear thin on the now veteran guys and they stop responding.

I don’t disagree with any of that.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Sounds good, and it may be built now, but the real test is the first few bumps in the road. Either a losing streak, a player getting upset, injuries etc... How will the coaching staff and players react? How much will Jerry step in and over rule the coach?

Exactly, John.....this is why you need a strong locker room of experienced vets. Hell, everyone is happy when things are going good but strong character and leadership are needed when things get tough. THIS is what's been missing .........

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

It's really simple, and no articles are needed to read. If you win the culture is great, if you lose, the culture sucks.

There you have it, enjoy your day!

I can’t say that….because we won 12 games three straight years and it was in spite of the culture. I also don’t think it’s any coincidence teams with crappy ownership and culture seem to be picking in the top 10 every year.

 

[fivetwos]

is this what MM tried to do? is this what garrett tried to do? is this what wade tried to do?

they all try. Jerry over rides them eventually. this is year one. everyone is happy, giddy. hopefull. wait until season 2, when jerry starts to meddle again and it starts to fall apart.

It won’t take that long.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Exactly, John.....this is why you need a strong locker room of experienced vets. Hell, everyone is happy when things are going good but strong character and leadership are needed when things get tough. THIS is what's been missing .........

The thing about it though is you have to walk the walk to. Dak can’t be a leader and having a perennial crappy performance in the post season. The leaders have to back it up. And in years past they haven’t. This predates even Dak.

When the playoffs are here we need our leaders to lead us not only in the locker room but on the field. The young guys need to know no matter how hard they get punched in the mouth we know we are gonna swing back.

When you get punched in the mouth we can’t have deer in headlights, dropped footballs, fighting on sidelines….

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

is this what MM tried to do? is this what garrett tried to do? is this what wade tried to do?

they all try. Jerry over rides them eventually. this is year one. everyone is happy, giddy. hopefull. wait until season 2, when jerry starts to meddle again and it starts to fall apart.

Garrett did try. Mike didn’t give a damn. Mike didn’t try anything. He just showed up to get a check.

 

[Redsfan_83]

I can’t say that….because we won 12 games three straight years and it was in spite of the culture. I also don’t think it’s any coincidence teams with crappy ownership and culture seem to be picking in the top 10 every year.

Well you aren't wrong, but losing has a much more fatal effect upon culture then winning 12 games does. In terms of crappy ownership, the Bungles have just that but are good enough to no longer be able to pick in the top 10. Let me add, that once a season has failed (like last year) you will hear from the ex-players about just how bad the culture was on the team. See D Law and J.Lew for examples

 

[Hawkeye0202]

The thing about it though is you have to walk the walk to. Dak can’t be a leader and having a perennial crappy performance in the post season. The leaders have to back it up. And in years past they haven’t. This predates even Dak.

When the playoffs are here we need our leaders to lead us not only in the locker room but on the field. The young guys need to know no matter how hard they get punched in the mouth we know we are gonna swing back.

When you get punched in the mouth we can’t have deer in headlights, dropped footballs, fighting on sidelines….

Considering his position and contracts ( not just the one recently signed) his leadership has been subpar. In fact, I think I read somewhere that Stephen and Jerry have challenged him to do more.

 

[Pass2Run]

Parsons not being at voluntary OTAs rubs me the wrong way. I get it. What do voluntary mean, but he needed to be there.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

the ex-players about just how bad the culture was on the team. See D Law and J.Lew for examples

I think most fans know or should know.......
BTW.....D Law and J Lewis were strong leaders willing to hold teammates accountable.

 

[Reid1boys]

How was the Patriot's culture after Brady left? Culture is a problem when you are losing. The Yankees of the 70s had literal fistfights in the clubhouse. Billy Martin and Reggie Jackson had to be pulled apart during games....... Id say their culture stunk. Yet they won back to back WS titles and nobody cared about culture.

Culture doesnt determine wins and losses. Let me know about this teams culture in late December. Tell me what you thin then.
Coaches, at all levels try to build a "Culture." To some degree, I do believe at the lower level it can be done, because the coach, especially at the travel ball level is the dictator.


At the college and pro level, that is no longer the case. What is Schotty going to tell Parsons when Parsons does something Schotty doesnt like? How can you tell a college football player this or that when the kid is making a ton of money already.

Nah, its prety simple. If your team stinks, the culture is pathetic. If you win.... its always a "Brotherhood."

 

[Reid1boys]

I believe 100% that a good culture is essential to the success of any organization. I applaud BS for focusing on improving it.

I think he is making a mistake by so vocally promoting it, though. He shouldn't be uttering the word culture. Culture is determined at the top. That culture then works to create the identity of the organization. You simply can't change the culture by talking about it. (not saying he is just talking with no action). Talking about it and promoting it does no good and is really just grandstanding and can backfire on you. You change a culture through actions and example. Period. Set the tone. Hold yourself and others accountable. Ignore everything outside the bubble and quietly get to work.

You can talk about the culture on the podium with Terry Bradshaw holding the mic for you.

Wasnt the Pats so amazing they had a name for it? The "Patriot Way." But as soon as Brady left, the Patriot Way looked a lot like the Jets way to me.