Let's talk about culture, Schotty's version vs reality

[Hawkeye0202]

Culture alone doesn't bring success. Culture is the breeding ground for success. You still need talent and for that talent to buy in to the culture.

Brady is a great example of a player who was ALL about the culture and the buy in. He landed in the hands of a coach who was equally ALL about the culture. Together they made NFL history.

Had Brady played his entire career in Dallas, he'd be another Tony Romo or Dak Prescott.

This is true but a strong culture will maximize talent. Weak culture breeds lazy, undisciplined and selfish players.

 

[Johannes44]

Take a look at Aikman talking about how frustrated he was with things under Switzer. Tell me where on the Cowboys today I can find that? Not just from the QB, but really from anybody? Hell Ceedee Lambs mother showed more leadership than anyone on the Cowboys did.

 

[HungryLion]

Ya know. Leadership isn’t the only difference between Cowboys leaders from the 90s...... Haley, Woodson. Aikman, Emmit, Irvin, Allen, Newton. And the current players on the team.

There was also this little factor called “talent”

 

[DallasEast]

I believe 100% that a good culture is essential to the success of any organization. I applaud BS for focusing on improving it.

I think he is making a mistake by so vocally promoting it, though. He shouldn't be uttering the word culture. Culture is determined at the top. That culture then works to create the identity of the organization. You simply can't change the culture by talking about it. (not saying he is just talking with no action). Talking about it and promoting it does no good and is really just grandstanding and can backfire on you. You change a culture through actions and example. Period. Set the tone. Hold yourself and others accountable. Ignore everything outside the bubble and quietly get to work.

You can talk about the culture on the podium with Terry Bradshaw holding the mic for you.

I agree it may be a mistake for Schottenheimer being proactively vocal. It would be best accomplished by example.

That said, it is possible conveying your efforts to fans without explaining it through the media. I remember when Sean Payton was hired as the Saints' head coach. The franchise put together some commercials of him doing stuff in the presence of his players by example. Simple nonsense stuff like brushing his teeth.

It was witty. The commercials had him interacting with his players on a personal level. And they told New Orleans fans what kind of cultural philosophy Payton was trying to build. That would be a good compromise and alternative for Schottenheimer in my opinion.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Thats a terrible example. Brady chose the most win ready team available and took over what was the #1 offense the prior season. That bus was ready to roll. For one season. Then it fell apart. In part because that core team identity didn't exist. Antonio Brown doesn't pull that crap in NE.

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You are exactly right, Brady went shopping for the best team that gave him a chance at another SB and chose the Bucs. The Bucs' defense carried Brady and the offense through the regular season and postseason. To his credit, Brady was smart enough to know he wasn't the same player from the Pats. He simply drove the bus and limited his mistakes to the SB.

 

[shabazz]

I'm Ok with all these except hoods down during meetings. What does this have to do with learning? I mean, shades and caps are OK, but hoods are not?

Shotty is actually requiring hoods for team building.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

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Yeah but they did. Mike Irvin for sure did. You can tell who went over Jimmy to Jerry based on who has relationships with him to this day…Haley and Irvin for sure. I feel like Emmitt did to but I can’t say that for sure because I haven’t heard it.

there was a difference though. those guys were all about winning. Jimmy had longer leash for his better players, because he knew they had influence in the locker room and knew they were dedicated and focused and driven. to emmitt and irvin, winning was the only thing that mattered. it wasn't like Jerry getting into business with Smith and advertising for him. that blurred the lines. and the current folks are all about money, marketing, etc. I don't see the same drive, dedication and commitment. once jimmy left. once all those guys retired and left. then jerry took over and instilled and installed his people. things fell apart.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Culture alone doesn't bring success. Culture is the breeding ground for success. You still need talent and for that talent to buy in to the culture.

Brady is a great example of a player who was ALL about the culture and the buy in. He landed in the hands of a coach who was equally ALL about the culture. Together they made NFL history.

Had Brady played his entire career in Dallas, he'd be another Tony Romo or Dak Prescott.

oh, I don't disagree. but you can have talent and we have had some, but with the wrong culture we amounted to nothing.

and I 1000000% agree with your last statement. that's why I have argued, even if we had Mahomes, we weren't going to win any superbowls or even get therre. there is too much dysfuntion on this team.

 

[fivetwos]

If Jerry would shut his mouth I’d wager quite a bit that there’d be little culture discussion in Dallas.

But….he insists on being the face and the voice of the team, which means the HC cannot be.

That’s a problem no matter how you want to label it.

 

[Vtwin]

I agree it may be a mistake for Schottenheimer being proactively vocal. It would be best accomplished by example.

That said, it is possible conveying your efforts to fans without explaining it through the media. I remember when Sean Payton was hired as the Saints' head coach. The franchise put together some commercials of him doing stuff in the presence of his players by example. Simple nonsense stuff like brushing his teeth.

It was witty. The commercials had him interacting with his players on a personal level. And they told New Orleans fans what kind of cultural philosophy Payton was trying to build. That would be a good compromise and alternative for Schottenheimer in my opinion.

I agree. Let someone else sell the message to the fans.

I remember John Madden commenting during Jimmy's second season "Jimmy Johnson has something going on down there in Dallas". The team was not very good but hearing a HOF coach talking up a new guy with a losing team spoke volumes. Madden could see the culture being built from losing while the losing was still happening.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Can you elaborate on what specifically you are basing this opinion on?

If Mike had issues he would go to both Jimmy and Jerry. He had a great relationship with Jerry.

 

[BoyzBlaster]

Schotty officially just needs to shut his trap about culture. It's getting nauseating.

 

[Reid1boys]

Thats a terrible example. Brady chose the most win ready team available and took over what was the #1 offense the prior season. That bus was ready to roll. For one season. Then it fell apart. In part because that core team identity didn't exist. Antonio Brown doesn't pull that crap in NE.

I find this sentiment fascinating from a Cowboys fan. We literally watched a dynasty rise out the ashes. A dynasty fueled by the bitterness that comes from losing.

The opposite example would be the recent examples of a team winning at a high level only to fall apart in the end.

Its not a terrible example, its a perfect example. Pats had this mythical culture, but as soon as 12 left, they sucked. The bucs.... they hadnt made the playoff in like 10 years before Brady arrived. Brady shows up and they win the SB in year 1.So you telling me the Bucs "Culture," changed in 6 months?

Players and talent wins titles... culture? blah.... Jimmy was a culture guy.... but Jimmy left and did what? Nothing, because he didnt have the players.

Joe Gibbs and Jimmy Johnson were very different coaches. Parcells and Bill Walsh polar opposites... yet all won titles. All had different styles, personalities, and different "Cultures."One thing they had in common was players. Culture is this subjective malarky that people want to put on teams that win or dont win to suit their needs.

 

[fivetwos]

Question……If “culture” ISNT a problem in Dallas, why does the HC think he needs to change it?

There IS indeed a problem and most of us know what it is…..call it “culture” or whatever but Jerry and his antics/act are a detriment to winning football.

If you don’t believe that part of it, why don’t they win? Either way it goes back to him.

He wants all the “credit,” so fine…own it. Lots of failure there. Now he’s resorted to bringing up ratings and merch sales when criticized. The players hear those things and follow the leader, which is absolutely HIM. Nothing Shoddy says is changing that, and that’s not a slight to him.

 

[Hawkeye0202]

Been saying this could happen........

 

[Vtwin]

If Mike had issues he would go to both Jimmy and Jerry. He had a great relationship with Jerry.

I was just wondering as I don't remember this ever being said back then and it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't see Jimmy not having a problem with his players going over his head.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

I was just wondering as I don't remember this ever being said back then and it doesn't make a lot of sense to me. I don't see Jimmy not having a problem with his players going over his head.

I don't think Jimmy had a issue with certain guys like Mike doing it. I was saying. I think what would happen is the lesser talented players would do it because that's the culture that had been established. And still being established to this day. You have a issue go to Jerry no need to even talk to McCarthy or Wade.

 

[TheMarathonContinues]

Been saying this could happen........

People keep asking this and its been mentioned already Siranni and Dan Campbell...

Checking that feed though I didn't even think about some of the other guys mentioned like Mike Tomlin. And I love Tomlin but does anyone know what he coaches well? Or Harbaugh? Or Sirianni? Or Campbell?

 

[Havic]

Tell me more about culture issues when the owner allows facility tours in season and you can watch players in real time doing film study. Or how about we interrupt practice and land the helicopter on the field

 

[darealvelle]

one voice one sound.