Leverage: Dak vs. Jerry

[J12B]

I know this has been discussed before (and please merge with other thread of similar topic), but what teams need a QB right now and have the cap space to sign Dak to a deal he is looking for?

Patriots- They need a QB badly. Jarrett Stidham is looking to be their starter. They only have $1.7 million in cap space for 2020. But could restructure deals to create space (2021 cap space of $98 million).

I would think NE would trade for Brisset first before signing Dak to a long term deal, which a trade for Jacoby is certainly possible given that IND signed Rivers to a one year contract for veteran starter money.

25% chance NE would sign Dak.

Jacksonville- This is the only team really needing a QB. Minster showed flashes of success, but doubt they are wanting to put all their chips on him to be a franchise qb.

Although, listening to the Pat Macfee show the other day, he believes they will tank for the Trevor Lawrence. Trading Ramsey and declining Fournette's 5th year option makes sense that a rebuild is in full effect.

Highly unlikely signing Dak.

Washington- Nah. They've got Dwayne Haskins, a 15th overall draft pick last year. Washington won't want a QB controversy and they are still in a massive rebuild. No reason to commit to Dak during a time like this in their franchise.

No way Jose.



With Dallas signing Dalton and knowing there is basically no market for Dak outside of Dallas, Jerry Jones and the front office have ALL the leverage right now.

If a deal isn't reached by July 15th, after fair and competitive offers are made to Dak and his agents, Dallas should rescind the tag and move on from Dak. That's my personal opinion.

Now please roast this thread in the comments below.

 

[Flamma]

Here's the problem I have, and it's not with your post. Your post is spot on. My issue is why then did they offer Dak an exclusive FT? It doesn't make sense. What was Jerry afraid of? What you wrote is nothing new. Everyone knew this was going to be the situation going back months. I've posted this on numerous occasions dating back months. That teams already have a QB and those that need one will get theirs in the draft. This situation would have called for a transition tag. Any team could offer him a contract and lose nothing if the Cowboys don't match. We would have heard crickets.

 

[Doomsday]

Bears, Commanders, Colts, Raiders, Jaguars, Pats, Jets and Steelers could all be in the QB market after the 2020 season.

Dak also knows the longer it takes to get a deal done, the more money he is going to get paid.

People around here act like he is a scrub who no one would be interested in. They underestimate the QB market.

 

[Flamma]

Bears, Commanders, Colts, Raiders, Jaguars, Pats, Jets and Steelers could all be in the QB market after the 2020 season.

Dak also knows the longer it takes to get a deal done, the more money he is going to get paid.

People around here act like he is a scrub who no one would be interested in. They underestimate the QB market.

After 2020, absolutely. I'd just remove the Raiders and Jets. I'm cautious about the Commanders because I think Haskins is on a short leash.

 

[Dale]

Bears, Commanders, Colts, Raiders, Jaguars, Pats, Jets and Steelers could all be in the QB market after the 2020 season.

Dak also knows the longer it takes to get a deal done, the more money he is going to get paid.

People around here act like he is a scrub who no one would be interested in. They underestimate the QB market.

Spot on. The problem here isn't that Dak and Dallas don't like each other or want a long-term relationship. They clearly do, since an offer of $30+ million has reportedly been made.

The problem is that Dallas has a seeming cap on what they're willing to pay Dak, and Dak has a floor on what he's seemingly willing to accept. And those numbers -- or overall terms -- just aren't matching.

In the end, which side will be willing to budge? It's entirely possible neither side budges.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

If Dak plays under the tag this year will he take a four year deal next offseason? Or will he then want a three year deal?

Dak is being greedy, as some would say, but Dallas should have signed him back in 2018.

 

[CATCH17]

I know this has been discussed before (and please merge with other thread of similar topic), but what teams need a QB right now and have the cap space to sign Dak to a deal he is looking for?

Patriots- They need a QB badly. Jarrett Stidham is looking to be their starter. They only have $1.7 million in cap space for 2020. But could restructure deals to create space (2021 cap space of $98 million).

I would think NE would trade for Brisset first before signing Dak to a long term deal, which a trade for Jacoby is certainly possible given that IND signed Rivers to a one year contract for veteran starter money.

25% chance NE would sign Dak.

Jacksonville- This is the only team really needing a QB. Minster showed flashes of success, but doubt they are wanting to put all their chips on him to be a franchise qb.

Although, listening to the Pat Macfee show the other day, he believes they will tank for the Trevor Lawrence. Trading Ramsey and declining Fournette's 5th year option makes sense that a rebuild is in full effect.

Highly unlikely signing Dak.

Washington- Nah. They've got Dwayne Haskins, a 15th overall draft pick last year. Washington won't want a QB controversy and they are still in a massive rebuild. No reason to commit to Dak during a time like this in their franchise.

No way Jose.



With Dallas signing Dalton and knowing there is basically no market for Dak outside of Dallas, Jerry Jones and the front office have ALL the leverage right now.

If a deal isn't reached by July 15th, after fair and competitive offers are made to Dak and his agents, Dallas should rescind the tag and move on from Dak. That's my personal opinion.

Now please roast this thread in the comments below.

Rescind the tag and see what his open market value is.

I’d love it and we win either way.

 

[MarcusRock]

The leverage from Dak's side is the team goes into the season with a QB who was 2-11 last year not knowing if he's in need of a fresh new beginning to jump start him at age 32 or is a broken man. And green rookie The Nooch behind him if he gets hurt. It's better than Cooper Rush and company for sure but still threatens to derail the season just like with Zeke last year. They didn't want to chance it with Pollard. Why chance it with the most important position on the field?

 

[CATCH17]

Spot on. The problem here isn't that Dak and Dallas don't like each other or want a long-term relationship. They clearly do, since an offer of $30+ million has reportedly been made.

The problem is that Dallas has a seeming cap on what they're willing to pay Dak, and Dak has a floor on what he's seemingly willing to accept. And those numbers -- or overall terms -- just aren't matching.

In the end, which side will be willing to budge? It's entirely possible neither side budges.

Dallas will give in first.. They are terrible at these kind of things and always get beat on deals.

They ran their mouth about Zeke causing him to hold out a year early.

They waited until the last minute to sign Cooper when that should’ve been done before he was traded.

Now they have told anyone and everyone how Dak is their guy while putting the wrong Tag on him until a few days ago gave themselves 0 leverage in negotiations.

Deadlines make deals in Dallas and the deals usually turn out good for the players and not Dallas.

 

[gjkoeppen]

I know this has been discussed before (and please merge with other thread of similar topic), but what teams need a QB right now and have the cap space to sign Dak to a deal he is looking for?

Patriots- They need a QB badly. Jarrett Stidham is looking to be their starter. They only have $1.7 million in cap space for 2020. But could restructure deals to create space (2021 cap space of $98 million).

I would think NE would trade for Brisset first before signing Dak to a long term deal, which a trade for Jacoby is certainly possible given that IND signed Rivers to a one year contract for veteran starter money.

25% chance NE would sign Dak.

Jacksonville- This is the only team really needing a QB. Minster showed flashes of success, but doubt they are wanting to put all their chips on him to be a franchise qb.

Although, listening to the Pat Macfee show the other day, he believes they will tank for the Trevor Lawrence. Trading Ramsey and declining Fournette's 5th year option makes sense that a rebuild is in full effect.

Highly unlikely signing Dak.

Washington- Nah. They've got Dwayne Haskins, a 15th overall draft pick last year. Washington won't want a QB controversy and they are still in a massive rebuild. No reason to commit to Dak during a time like this in their franchise.

No way Jose.



With Dallas signing Dalton and knowing there is basically no market for Dak outside of Dallas, Jerry Jones and the front office have ALL the leverage right now.

If a deal isn't reached by July 15th, after fair and competitive offers are made to Dak and his agents, Dallas should rescind the tag and move on from Dak. That's my personal opinion.

Now please roast this thread in the comments below.

The truth is it makes no difference how many times this get rehashed, the only ones that have any say in this is the Cowboys and Prescott. To rehash this every day is like discussing what came first the chicken or the egg.
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[MarcusRock]

The truth is it makes no difference how many times this get rehashed, the only ones that have any say in this is the Cowboys and Prescott. To rehash this every day is like discussing what came first the chicken or the egg.
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Egg obviously.

 

[J12B]

Egg obviously.

Nah. Definitely the chicken.

 

[marius]

If you analyze the offensive profile, you will notice that most have profiles of 1st and 2nd round players, and attention is being focused on whether or not to pay what a 4th round player wants, when you have a lot of talent in your team and you want to depend on a 4th round player, who wants to be paid more than any other player selected in 1st round or better than those who have already won Super Bowls, it is disastrous, you have to look for other options, you already have a Dalton, there are more options that can be done, let this moron go, with Dak it is not the only way to win the Super Bowl,

 

[DCCBFan]

With Dallas signing Dalton and knowing there is basically no market for Dak outside of Dallas, Jerry Jones and the front office have ALL the leverage right now.

If a deal isn't reached by July 15th, after fair and competitive offers are made to Dak and his agents, Dallas should rescind the tag and move on from Dak. That's my personal opinion.

Now please roast this thread in the comments below.

"Leverage" hasn't changed. The purpose of franchising the player is to control his rights. So that he will play for you. Rescind the tag, lose the player. That calculus hasn't changed. Your calculus seems to be aimed at somehow forcing Dak to accept a below market deal because there's "no market." I'd be surprised if it worked out that way. I think it would result in losing the player. Maybe you think Dalton is the answer. Personally, I doubt it. And teams have gone decades trying to solve the position. Letting Dak go would be a tremendous risk for a team in a position to compete for a Superbowl.

 

[CouchCoach]

Here's the problem I have, and it's not with your post. Your post is spot on. My issue is why then did they offer Dak an exclusive FT? It doesn't make sense. What was Jerry afraid of? What you wrote is nothing new. Everyone knew this was going to be the situation going back months. I've posted this on numerous occasions dating back months. That teams already have a QB and those that need one will get theirs in the draft. This situation would have called for a transition tag. Any team could offer him a contract and lose nothing if the Cowboys don't match. We would have heard crickets.

Just guessing on my part but I think they felt the odds of him being a no show were greater with the transition tag, which is what I preferred because they got picks and that could set his value on the open market.

There is no leverage in this situation for Booger. He and Stuphen have shot their mouths off about getting a deal done and they have that history with star players, they can't let one walk unless they're forced to like they were with Ware.

The Joneses are fools and have no one to blame, not Prescott or his agent. Only fools, publicity seeking fools, negotiate through the media. They've drawn a line in the sand and this isn't about money anymore, it's about pride and who backs down and that will be the Joneses. They're the clown act in the Big Top.

 

[J12B]

"Leverage" hasn't changed. The purpose of franchising the player is to control his rights. So that he will play for you. Rescind the tag, lose the player. That calculus hasn't changed. Your calculus seems to be aimed at somehow forcing Dak to accept a below market deal because there's "no market." I'd be surprised if it worked out that way. I think it would result in losing the player. Maybe you think Dalton is the answer. Personally, I doubt it. And teams have gone decades trying to solve the position. Letting Dak go would be a tremendous risk for a team in a position to compete for a Superbowl.

I want Dak to be here long term, but for a deal very similar to the one Wentz got. Maybe slightly larger.

The Wentz and Goff deals look bad for those organizations now.

 

[J12B]

Just guessing on my part but I think they felt the odds of him being a no show were greater with the transition tag, which is what I preferred because they got picks and that could set his value on the open market.

There is no leverage in this situation for Booger. He and Stuphen have shot their mouths off about getting a deal done and they have that history with star players, they can't let one walk unless they're forced to like they were with Ware.

The Joneses are fools and have no one to blame, not Prescott or his agent. Only fools, publicity seeking fools, negotiate through the media. They've drawn a line in the sand and this isn't about money anymore, it's about pride and who backs down and that will be the Joneses. They're the clown act in the Big Top.

Believe 50% of what you see and nothing what you hear

 

[gjkoeppen]

Dallas will give in first.. They are terrible at these kind of things and always get beat on deals.

They ran their mouth about Zeke causing him to hold out a year early.

They waited until the last minute to sign Cooper when that should’ve been done before he was traded.

Now they have told anyone and everyone how Dak is their guy while putting the wrong Tag on him until a few days ago gave themselves 0 leverage in negotiations.

Deadlines make deals in Dallas and the deals usually turn out good for the players and not Dallas.

First when a player is traded for they are not required to accept a new contract and on top of that getting a really good receiver on a smaller contract when at the time of the trade,. after the season started and what cap space they had was gone. it would have been pretty tough to negotiate a new contract.
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[Hoofbite]

Why would Dallas pick up a QB nobody else viewed as a long-term starter in exchange for a player who is clearly viewed as the long-term starter in Dallas?

People are overthinking the Dalton move.

 

[Doomsday]

After 2020, absolutely. I'd just remove the Raiders and Jets. I'm cautious about the Commanders because I think Haskins is on a short leash.

Probably right, but my point is the market is always changing and QBs will always be in hot demand.

I don't see how people can see teams pay big bucks for the likes of Alex Smith and Nick Foles and think teams wouldn't pay Dak.