CFZ Lightning in a Bottle or Long Haul?

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Not even a thought for the FO or owner, that was FAN narrative that wasn't true, no way they brought in Vet coach in 2020 to rebuild during his contract after a 12-4 seaosn.,OMG

they knew they had talent waiting in wings, did enough in the draft and FA to build solid team. Fans create that narrative ( you all were all wrong and way out of being wrong is saying the FO was rebuilding, tanking to make it as if they were lucky..UM NO LOL) thinking those payers they cut or traded were Better then they actually were.. most weer the ones making many mistakes and being paid to much, suspended, inured, or penalty prone.

think about that list
Zurliene missing Xps and easy fgs also made a good salary.
Gregory oft injured, suspended, penalties, and would command too much money-
Cwill- Penalty machine new deal would be too big
AC far too big contract for our 3rd productive receiving target last year
Collins-same thing $$ penalties, suspensions
Ced wilson-too much money for #3-4 WR-look at his stats this year
Turner-didnt need him easily replace that with the same

those players were actually an addition by subtraction in most cases and we used that money and space for players who were about equal in production and skillset for less $$

thats not rebuilding, thats showing they were willing to cut some fan favorites who saw those guys as stars but cut them anyway knowing they had players to fill their roles.

And that's why I'm saying Shultz, Zeke, and Tank might be next. Ferguson, Pollard, and S.Williams have been doing some very good things when given a chance.

 

[blueblood70]

And that's why I'm saying Shultz, Zeke, and Tank might be next. Ferguson, Pollard, and S.Williams have been doing some very good things when given a chance.

for sure, Zeke a huge pay cut or gone, Schultz gone, Tank just redid his deal not sure they will do that this next season but wont be here in 24.. we shall see.

 

[ActualCowboysFan]

You can't say one way or another with contract decisions upcoming on Zeke, Pollard, Dak, Parsons, Diggs, DLaw, etc.

Funny list

 

[Findanny]

I believe this team can be very good for years to come. It always seemed to be the lack of toughness that held talented Cowboys teams back in the past. This team is tough and getting tougher. Go Cowboys

I feel the same. I’ve always felt that they lacked toughness for a few years. Now they have leaders on this team( dlaw,micha,martin,dak)that bring attitude and demand toughness. All you can ask for, is a competitive team, that has a chance to win it all. I feel like this team has a chance for a few years. Cmon Dallas!

 

[Flamma]

We have Pollard and Steele to re-sign this year. Diggs comes up in 2023, with Dak and Lamb the following year. And finally every one's favorite LB Parsons. So yes, it seems like we will be losing a couple of pieces in the up coming years. My guess is Zeke, Shultz, and Tank will all be cap casualties here soon. And I say that because those guys replacements are already on the team. We definitely are going to have to keep Dak, Diggs, Parsons, and Lamb. As long as we can keep those guys for the next six years...all we have to do is build a strong offensive line.
So keep the good drafts coming, hold on to your star players, and build a reliable offensive line.


LONG HAUL CONTENDERS.

I hate to break it to ya, but Diggs comes up after this season. So does Lamb. You pay players you want to keep after their 3rd season, not after their contract runs out.

The good news is, they still have to play out their rookie contract and or 5th year option no matter what.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

I hate to break it to ya, but Diggs comes up after this season. So does Lamb. You pay players you want to keep after their 3rd season, not after their contract runs out.

The good news is, they still have to play out their rookie contract and or 5th year option no matter what.

I hate to break it to you but Dallas doesn't negotiate with players until the last year of their contracts. If a player wants to hold talks before then...they have to hold out to make that happen.

 

[Flamma]

I hate to break it to you but Dallas doesn't negotiate with players until the last year of their contracts. If a player wants to hold talks before then...they have to hold out to make that happen.

Not going to happen with Diggs. Not going to happen with Parsons. I stopped gambling over 25 years ago, but I'd be willing to come out of retirement for Diggs and Parsons. I actually think they hold off on Lamb. But I'll bet the house on the other two that it's after their 3rd year. Diggs is given an extension after this season. End of story. The thing is, it doesn't matter. The only reason you wait is because you're not sure.

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Not going to happen with Diggs. Not going to happen with Parsons. I stopped gambling over 25 years ago, but I'd be willing to come out of retirement for Diggs and Parsons. I actually think they hold off on Lamb. But I'll bet the house on the other two that it's after their 3rd year. Diggs is given an extension after this season. End of story. The thing is, it doesn't matter. The only reason you wait is because you're not sure.

The Aaron Hernandez effect. Most teams are not willing to negotiate with a player until the year his contract expires.

 

[Flamma]

The Aaron Hernandez effect. Most teams are not willing to negotiate with a player until the year his contract expires.

Most teams give the players they want to keep an extension after their 3rd season. This isn't an opinion. This is what NFL teams do. Waiting longer means you're not sure. It also has a negative effect on the cap hit. Extending a player with one year left on his rookie deal helps the cap hit. Waiting is a mistake if you end up extending the player.

 

[817Gill]

They just won 12 games last season. So you can forget about lightning in a bottle. That doesn’t apply.

Bingo

 

[Oz-of-Cowboy-Country]

Most teams give the players they want to keep an extension after their 3rd season. This isn't an opinion. This is what NFL teams do. Waiting longer means you're not sure. It also has a negative effect on the cap hit. Extending a player with one year left on his rookie deal helps the cap hit. Waiting is a mistake if you end up extending the player.

Yes Dallas should start negotiating with those guys earlier. But time will tell if they do or don't.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

Not even a thought for the FO or owner, that was FAN narrative that wasn't true, no way they brought in Vet coach in 2020 to rebuild during his contract after a 12-4 seaosn.,OMG

they knew they had talent waiting in wings, did enough in the draft and FA to build solid team. Fans create that narrative ( you all were all wrong and way out of being wrong is saying the FO was rebuilding, tanking to make it as if they were lucky..UM NO LOL) thinking those payers they cut or traded were Better then they actually were.. most weer the ones making many mistakes and being paid to much, suspended, inured, or penalty prone.

think about that list
Zurliene missing Xps and easy fgs also made a good salary.
Gregory oft injured, suspended, penalties, and would command too much money-
Cwill- Penalty machine new deal would be too big
AC far too big contract for our 3rd productive receiving target last year
Collins-same thing $$ penalties, suspensions
Ced wilson-too much money for #3-4 WR-look at his stats this year
Turner-didnt need him easily replace that with the same

those players were actually an addition by subtraction in most cases and we used that money and space for players who were about equal in production and skillset for less $$

thats not rebuilding, thats showing they were willing to cut some fan favorites who saw those guys as stars but cut them anyway knowing they had players to fill their roles.

To be honest, banking on a rookie draft class to come in and play the way it has is usually not a great idea. Really the only FAs of note that were bought in were Fowler and Washington. I for one picked this team to win 11 games and didn't think the drop off would be as precipitous as many expected, but I did not expect the team to be better than last season with all of the departing talent.

Perhaps "rebuilding" was not the correct term, but it seemed like more of a 1 year holding pattern that was necessary to clear some bad contracts off the books. Either way I have been pleasantly surprised.

 

[blueblood70]

To be honest, banking on a rookie draft class to come in and play the way it has is usually not a great idea. Really the only FAs of note that were bought in were Fowler and Washington. I for one picked this team to win 11 games and didn't think the drop off would be as precipitous as many expected, but I did not expect the team to be better than last season with all of the departing talent.

Perhaps "rebuilding" was not the correct term, but it seemed like more of a 1 year holding pattern that was necessary to clear some bad contracts off the books. Either way I have been pleasantly surprised.

sorry not just baking on the draft, we had a lot of returning players from a 12-4 team, you lose site of the fact we didn't NEED to fill holes lie other terrible teams and 2nd year and OTHER players to step up..

Others
Turpin not rookie draft pick, great addition
Maher was a great addition' Not of note LMAO.. you clueless much hes been one of the best FAs we brought in
Barr while not mind blowing, nice role player
Peters Nice depth not used much but for sure when players have went out hes come in and done well.
added Hankins recently

Steele they Knew was ready to take over for Collins
Mcgovern isnt great but not big drop off from Cwill
N Brown they knew was ready to step up, replaced Ceds production already


just stop acting as if we got lucky somehow. Thats just planning and having a true read on the roster.

sorry, that you think they had no idea how the roster would play but they actually did, no one can predict a seasons outcome, but they had confidence in the roster given the CORE returned. ,

Ill repeat,

they were not using this year as a transition or rebuilding year, not even close.

Moving on to reality...

we have a division wining, 12-4 playoff team that swept the division last season and as most teams do each year make decisions on who to cut and who to add and let it ride. if they were going to rebuild MM would have been let go.. no way a VET coach hired to take over a team of Vets was kept to rebuild.

WE Had far less holes to fill, so less moves were made, they had confidence in the players who were to be the next man up already on this roster.

let that sink in, i know common sense isn't expected anymore but this is one situation you need to allow that to come into to play,

show me year jerry made moves to purposefully rebuild or tank.,, that not the Jones style.

 

[BleedSilverandBlue]

just stop acting as if we got lucky somehow. Thats just planning and having a true read on the roster.

I am not pretending this is all luck, but come on man. If you really think they were making classic "win now" moves all offseason you are kidding yourself.

I think Jerry and Stephen have put together a very good roster and should be applauded for that, but this team did not have the look of a true contender throughout training camp. The offense was reported to have struggled mightily and in joint practices they really did not look good. The team has really gelled nicely this season though and I think everyone is at least somewhat surprised at how good they are.

I just said "rebuilding" isn't the correct term to use here, but at least to me the team did not appear to improve notably over the offseason. I thought the roster was going to perform at a similar level to last year, hence my initial thought that 11 wins was reasonable, but I did not expect the defense to leap forward even more and for the offense to somehow return to #1 scoring form without Cooper, Collins, and Williams along with Gallup and Tyron being out for an extended period of time. That is 2 of your top 3 receivers, 2 pro bowl offensive linemen and an average starter in Williams.

I guess this is one of those situations where the people closest to the team have a better read. Who would have thought!

 

[jsb357]

consistently in the playoffs? maybe...

consistently a contender?


consistently inconsistent? most likely...

 

[Risen Star]

We are built to win for a decade.

Then you think that gives Will McClay 10 years to add more players.

This may never end.

 

[Praxit]

Well, I'f any team in recent years, can pull off a deep run in playoffs.

It's this team. Next year, who's knows.

Dallas needs good timing in all phases, to make it work. Good timing, is also luck.