Looking For Starters at the Right Positions

[CowboyRoy]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/spagnola-looking-for-starters-at-right-positions

Mickey's latest article, we all know what this means. No real football talk from some.

He covers draft history and 1st round picks at each position, and the chances of drafting a impact starter.

As he says, like many of us, DT can be that position. But will they?

I read this about TE's not being a great pick in the first. But then I saw another stat that said 4 or 5 of the last 10 TE's drafted in the first round have made the pro bowl.

 

[CowboyRoy]

I just don't see the value at the DT position at 26, I think it will be an offensive player either, TE, or G, before a DT

I see DT and the 2nd most important position on the defense.

 

[conner01]

The TEs available at 26 are not complete TEs, so why do you consider them better?

I actually agree that CB or WR might be the best available for us. Hurts me to say it, but it could be so.

I think there is a reasonable chance Kincaid could be there or maybe mayer
Those are the only 2 I’d look at there
I’m not as high on flowers as some but seems like the cowboys are
My favorite TE is Washington but I wouldn’t take him at 26
But I love the ways you could use him and I’d sure take him in second
He’s not the Kelse type but he could carve out a role that really impacts the offense but not at 26
I think unless one of the top guys are there we go a different direction but you never know who could fall
I don’t see a quality DT falling, not really sure a CB will
I’d take a guard over a WR like flowers if the quality was there, but I’m not sure the team will
I think an oline is more important in both the passing and running game than a non elite WR or RB is. Don’t think Jerry would agree though

 

[conner01]

I see DT and the 2nd most important position on the defense.

I don’t think many would disagree
The issue is that’s why a good one is not likely to fall to 26. I wouldn’t use 26 on a DT that comes off the field on passing downs

 

[CowboyFrog]

I don’t think many would disagree
The issue is that’s why a good one is not likely to fall to 26. I wouldn’t use 26 on a DT that comes off the field on passing downs

I would generally 100% agree, BUT if they can get a Veta type at 26 I'm checking it out hard because we have a damn good Nickle DL right now to after the passer on passing downs...I would be shocked if we could get a player at 26 that can bench one of our Pass Rushers we have now...D-Law, #11, Fowler, Sam Williams, Armstrong...it would be awsome to get a DT who gets in this lineup on passing downs but i dont actually need it.

 

[gtb1943]

I don’t think many would disagree
The issue is that’s why a good one is not likely to fall to 26. I wouldn’t use 26 on a DT that comes off the field on passing downs

You can get what we need probably late second rd or in the third for DT. Outside of Carter there is not a real pass rusher DT in this draft. And contrary to what some think, there are always only a few real pass rushing DTs around. Aaron Donald is a true exception that does not come around very often. Guys like him and Leon Lett and Bob Lilly and Manster are very hard to find.

 

[Typhus]

The Cowboys will easily be able to trade down and still get their guy.

I'd rather do that then reach and over draft someone just because you want the 5th year option. That sounds dumb.

We have options for sure, so trade back is always ideal if you can secure a trade partner, and have various option which it appears to be the case in this years deep draft at various positions of need.

 

[Typhus]

Who told you there are 4-5 difference makers at TE? How do they define "difference makers"?

The biggest difference maker that might be available to us is RB Charbonnet. Now, there's some value.

Glad somebody else is recognizing, perfect compliment to Pollard/Jones/Davis early.
The best downhill runner in this draft IMHO.

 

[morasp]

There are 59 players in this years draft with starter grades. We should be able to at least draft two starters and one eventual starter. The way the Cowboys have been doing things lately if the players earn it they get on the field.

 

[CCBoy]

Given there is no center likely to be better than Biadasz this draft, I don't see any OT or OG available at 26 breaking the top 5 of Smith, Smith, Martin, Steele, and Biadasz. Maybe beat out Steele but only marginal improvement.

Bijan Robinson comes in and creates the best RB tandem in the league with Pollard. He will replace Dowdle/Davis and significantly raise the talent ceiling.
Mazi Smith comes in and may or may not help the pass rush but he will "start" as a 2 down player and go a long way towards solidifying the LOS and improving the defense. He replaces Gallimore/Watkins and significantly raises the talent ceiling.

TE and WR have a lesser impact. Mayer for example I would expect to be at about the level of where Ferguson is now. He is better than Hendershot but Hendershot is already effective down the seam and in the redzone. Neither is a good drive blocker. A guy like Kincaid would lock down the Y and help create push but is not a dynamic threat.

Gallup and Tolbert were pretty underwhelming last season. WR are so hard to evaluate because of different systems and what they ask of their pass catchers. It's not as bad as when Leach was running around and most WR could only run 3 routes and garner 1200 yard seasons but it's still not easy.

There are a lot of those guys in the draft. The ones that have polish like the OSU receiver are limited in size and perimeter experience. I just don't see a lot of good fits at WR.

To this fan, Dallas needs to gain a dominant offense that can project and handle the developing defense for the Eagles. Two projected defensive ends in the first round, well, Dallas then has a very rough projection forward past this season.

A top WR, TE, and RB would go a long ways both in performance and projection where Dallas must not lose the top picture. Offensively.

I would gamble some of next year's draft to gain two strong players that will serve strongly this season...rounds 1 and 2.

 

[big dog cowboy]

I actually agree that CB or WR might be the best available for us.

Gilmore and Cooks take drafting those positions off the board at 26.

 

[Ring6]

I think there is a reasonable chance Kincaid could be there or maybe mayer
Those are the only 2 I’d look at there
I’m not as high on flowers as some but seems like the cowboys are
My favorite TE is Washington but I wouldn’t take him at 26
But I love the ways you could use him and I’d sure take him in second
He’s not the Kelse type but he could carve out a role that really impacts the offense but not at 26
I think unless one of the top guys are there we go a different direction but you never know who could fall
I don’t see a quality DT falling, not really sure a CB will
I’d take a guard over a WR like flowers if the quality was there, but I’m not sure the team will
I think an oline is more important in both the passing and running game than a non elite WR or RB is. Don’t think Jerry would agree though

I agree with all this ... oline early unless a WR falls, then grab WR or TE in the 2nd, then hopefully a DL in the third, RB in 4th

 

[CowboyRoy]

I don’t think many would disagree
The issue is that’s why a good one is not likely to fall to 26. I wouldn’t use 26 on a DT that comes off the field on passing downs

I think its the only thing this team is missing for the D to become top 2. A guy that comes off on passing downs? Maybe not.

 

[FuzzyLumpkins]

To this fan, Dallas needs to gain a dominant offense that can project and handle the developing defense for the Eagles. Two projected defensive ends in the first round, well, Dallas then has a very rough projection forward past this season.

A top WR, TE, and RB would go a long ways both in performance and projection where Dallas must not lose the top picture. Offensively.

I would gamble some of next year's draft to gain two strong players that will serve strongly this season...rounds 1 and 2.

I get that. The issue with TE and WR is that there is not a lot of frontline talent this year. There is no Kyle Pitts. There is no Cedee Lamb for that matter. That is not to say there is not talent but it is talent that projects as opposed to dominant traits that supersede projection.

I would rather take one of the guards that looks to be there. Whichever guard you get at 26 is going to be better than Farniok. We have to account for the inevitable injury to one of the OT. Given we have 3 starting caliber OT on the roster OG makes more sense. We could be getting this years OG1 albeit in a weak year. We can still get help at receiver and TE later.

 

[JoeyBoy718]

Trade this years 1st for Kyle Pitts.

 

[Creeper]

I just don't see the value at the DT position at 26, I think it will be an offensive player either, TE, or G, before a DT

I agree with this somewhat. I think OL is a value position at 26. WR can be too. TE is a little different. I think most teams will not draft TEs early so a good one will be available at 26 but the question is, will a TE make as much of an impact as a starting LG, for example? 26 is such a hit or miss spot in the draft. Most all-pros drafted in the 1st round are usually in the top 15. After that it is a crap shoot.

 

[exciter]

The "value" for TE at 26 is even worse, a lot worse.

W/ DT, it all depends on who is there. Bresee, for instance. Kancey, Benton, either would completely revamp our D.

Huh? Lol!

 

[pancakeman]

not going to trade out of the first round, teams value the fifth year option too much

Though if "teamS" value that, it should be baked in to the trade value of offers the Cowboys would get.

 

[Floatyworm]

The "value" for TE at 26 is even worse, a lot worse.

W/ DT, it all depends on who is there. Bresee, for instance. Kancey, Benton, either would completely revamp our D.

I had us taking Breese for a long time...if he was the pick...I'd be nervous. Just get this Bobbie Carpenter feeling....think he might be too soft.

 

[Bagman]

Huh? Lol!

Bresee is very average. Isn't worth a 1st rd pick in my eyes.