Recommended Loss Forensics: Romo vs. the League's Top QB

[BlindFaith]

Romo has made mistakes, never say he hasn't. And at this time, not HOF bound. But tell me this article you linked was a joke?

You'd have to ask the guy who wrote it and got it published on the site.

 

[peplaw06]

I never dodged the issue I posted a large number of SB/playoff games that proved my point but that wasn't enough for you. You didn't come close to proving my theory wrong. I've done plenty of work while you sit and do nothing. Like I said there's exceptions to every rule just like with the passer rating stat that Percy claims has the highest correlation to winning. Romo's had a number of games over his career where the Cowboys lost despite Romo having a higher passer rating than the opposing QB.

First, you didn't post a large number of games. It was less than 20 games and focused on Super Bowls and Cowboys games. That's not a large number. Certainly not enough to develop your theory. I looked at the most recent 11 playoff games, and your theory didn't hold water there. I did more work than you have done on this and it's your theory.

And the whole point of correlating a stat to winning percentage is so that you can see how often there are "exceptions." No one's asking you to prove that TD to turnover ratio is going to win 100% of games without exception. You clearly stated though that TD to turnover ratio has a higher correlation to winning percentage than any other stat. You have done NOTHING to prove that statement. Literally nothing.

In order to prove that you would have to not only show TD to turnover's correlation to winning percentage (which you haven't done), but you'd also have to compare it to other stats correlation to winning percentage. You haven't even gotten within sight of the ballpark you would need to get to prove that statement.

 

[iceberg]

I have never understood why a poster has to resort to ignoring other opinions. That is the definition if being close minded and I tolerate of opposing views:

Because some are a broken record and all they do is ***** n whine about the same thing over and over and over.

 

[peplaw06]

You're just another FAN who thinks they know more than those who played the game, coached the game and were GM's in the league. I give my own opinions it's not my fault if the media agrees with them. They get paid to talk football and give unbiased opinions.

LOL... I can point to just as many people who play the game and were GMs in the league who disagree with you. If you think people on NFLN give unbiased opinions, then you're more lost than I thought.

 

[percyhoward]

Btw, Romo's rating late in the loss to the Chiefs was 35.2 if you count the fumble as an INT, and the sack as a pass attempt. That same adjusted rating has him at the top among the league's best quarterbacks in these situations since 2010.

 

[slomoxn]

I get on Romo as much as anyone and I'm even on here doing the same; in saying that there have been more than a few occasions Romo has
Marches down the field in the waning minutes if the game, scored what should have been the winning points, trotted off the field the victor and the defense let the other team score in record time to lose the game. He may be like a box of chocolates, but it's not his fault the defenses can't help him out. He has however list a few games for us on his own.

 

[Angus12]

Because some are a broken record and all they do is ***** n whine about the same thing over and over and over.

Agreed.

From Jerry... To Romo... To other posters whining about Jerry and Romo...

 

[iceberg]

I don't think I have listed a stat in this thread. My point being is that I shouldn't got involved in debating posters that could never change their mind. So you struck out with your stats accusation.

I was referring to kjj and his "only my stats matter" crap.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Mods, please sticky this thread.

Anytime someone tries to say Romo 'chokes', or doesn't perform well in elimination games, or is terrible in the 4th quarter - please revert back to here, for a Statistical Stone Cold Stunner.

You're just another FAN who thinks they know more than those who played the game, coached the game and were GM's in the league. I give my own opinions it's not my fault if the media agrees with them. They get paid to talk football and give unbiased opinions.

26 NFL GM's were polled and Romo was voted as the 8th best QB in the league.

But what do they know?

 

[DanteEXT]

You'd have to ask the guy who wrote it and got it published on the site.

Well, if it was meant to be serious then it article was written from a particular perpective and he went to great lengths to spin it to fit. There was a couple moments in 2012 you can legitimately hold it against Romo, but this article was filled with a lot crap to be honest.

 

[KJJ]

26 NFL GM's were polled and Romo was voted as the 8th best QB in the league.

But what do they know?

How many of them have him ranked ahead of Eli and Roethlisberger which was the discussion I was having? Romo was being argued as a top 5 QB just a few years ago so he's losing ground even amongst GM's.

 

[percyhoward]

That's great stuff, Percy. So, in a nutshell, we pass well at the end of games, and run poorly. Regardless, we don't hold onto the ball very long. Our offense is really good at the end of close games (compared to other teams), and the defense is terrible. Romo has worse numbers against better defenses, but so does every other QB (shocking). That about right?

Sums it up nicely. Except there may be other QB who tear great defenses apart, but they must suck against everybody else.

 

[KJJ]

LOL... I can point to just as many people who play the game and were GMs in the league who disagree with you. If you think people on NFLN give unbiased opinions, then you're more lost than I thought.

Then start naming them and let's see what opinions I have they disagree with. Let's see some proof. Everyone has some biases even those who get paid to talk football and sometimes their bias gets the better of them but they usually admit it. Most give honest, unbiased opinions so they end up being right. They all have egos and know that millions of fans hear what they have to say each day. None of them want to come off looking like idiots.

 

[percyhoward]

I guess it depends on if the stats fit your agenda. Romo supporters poo poo ESPNs QBR rating as it doesn't shine the sort of light on Romo as does the standard QB rating. But in my opinion, it does reflect more accurately how he should be rated.

This is the system that had Manning ranked 5th after a 462-yard, 7 TD game in week 1.

 

[Moderately_Askew]

Then start naming them and let's see what opinions I have they disagree with. Let's see some proof! Everyone has some biases even those who get paid to talk football and sometimes their bias gets the better of them but they usually admit it. Most give honest, unbiased opinions so they end up being right. They all have egos and know that millions of fans hear what they have to say each day they don't want to look like idiots.

The thing about debating someone is if you are making the claims then you have to provide the evidence. All you are providing are generalities and opinions.

 

[5Stars]

it doesn't matter to me if a QB has more attempts than another resulting in them ranking higher on the yardage list.

Well, there you go. It don't matter to KJJ because it actually refutes his illogical way of thinking.

 

[KJJ]

The thing about debating someone is if you are making the claims then you have to provide the evidence. All you are providing are generalities and opinions.

What claims did I make and not provide evidence to back it up?

 

[5Stars]

It is the kind to prove his point lol. 40 pages of this and the Romo lovers will still deny that Romo has a little problem. Unbelievable ! I was hoping for 30. KJJ has done a masterful job of putting on a clinic in this thread. Very impressive to say the least .

lmao Birds of a feather. Masterful job of making himself look stupid.

 

[Apollo Creed]

What claims did I make and not provide evidence to back it up?

Damn near all of them.

 

[Apollo Creed]

Percy - what about a potential metric that ranks a QB based on their team's defensive efficiency.

Essentially showing what QBs have it easier than others.

If a QB knows he has a defense giving up 13 points a game (like Seattle), he can take more risks, take chances deep, and operate knowing that he will be bailed out.

Romo knows that he almost has to play a perfect game, no turnovers, no short-fields for the opposing offense. Because there is little to no chance our defense can stop anyone.

Hell, the Saints didn't even have to punt against us last year - 107 first downs. That's insane.