Lost World Discovered.

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http://www.guardian.co.uk/environment/2009/sep/07/discovery-species-papua-new-guinea

Lost world of fanged frogs and giant rats discovered in Papua New Guinea

Robert Booth
The Guardian, Monday 7 September 2009



A lost world populated by fanged frogs, grunting fish and tiny bear-like creatures has been discovered in a remote volcanic crater on the Pacific island of Papua New Guinea.
'A giant woolly rat never before seen by science' Link to this audio

A team of scientists from Britain, the United States and Papua New Guinea found more than 40 previously unidentified species when they climbed into the kilometre-deep crater of Mount Bosavi and explored a pristine jungle habitat teeming with life that has evolved in isolation since the volcano last erupted 200,000 years ago. In a remarkably rich haul from just five weeks of exploration, the biologists discovered 16 frogs which have never before been recorded by science, at least three new fish, a new bat and a giant rat, which may turn out to be the biggest in the world.

The discoveries are being seen as fresh evidence of the richness of the world's rainforests and the explorers hope their finds will add weight to calls for international action to prevent the demise of similar ecosystems. They said Papua New Guinea's rainforest is currently being destroyed at the rate of 3.5% a year.

"It was mind-blowing to be there and it is clearly time we pulled our finger out and decided these habitats are worth us saving," said Dr George McGavin who headed the expedition.

The team of biologists included experts from Oxford University, the London Zoo and the Smithsonian Institution and are believed to be the first scientists to enter the mountainous Bosavi crater. They were joined by members of the BBC Natural History Unit which filmed the expedition for a three-part documentary which starts tomorrow night.

They found the three-kilometre wide crater populated by spectacular birds of paradise and in the absence of big cats and monkeys, which are found in the remote jungles of the Amazon and Sumatra, the main predators are giant monitor lizards while kangaroos have evolved to live in trees. New species include a camouflaged gecko, a fanged frog and a fish called the Henamo grunter, named because it makes grunting noises from its swim bladder.

"These discoveries are really significant," said Steve Backshall, a climber and naturalist who became so friendly with the never-before seen Bosavi silky cuscus, a marsupial that lives up trees and feeds on fruits and leaves, that it sat on his shoulder.

"The world is getting an awful lot smaller and it is getting very hard to find places that are so far off the beaten track."

 

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Impossible. I was informed just last week that discoveries like this don't happen.

Ever.
 

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tomson75;2928126 said:
Impossible. I was informed just last week that discoveries like this don't happen.

Ever.

I recall. In fact, I posted this because of that discussion. Figured it might be of some interest.
 

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It's a great find to be sure, but the story is a little exaggerated. 200,000 years is not a generally sufficient amount of time for significant evolution to take place.

In general, you could send a scientific team to any square kilometer of any rainforest and they will discover a few new species. This find appears to be pretty out of the ordinary in the raw number of new species found, but it's not like it's never happened before.
 

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Temo;2928143 said:
It's a great find to be sure, but the story is a little exaggerated. 200,000 years is not a generally sufficient amount of time for significant evolution to take place.

In general, you could send a scientific team to any square kilometer of any rainforest and they will discover a few new species. This find appears to be pretty out of the ordinary in the raw number of new species found, but it's not like it's never happened before.

Prove it.
 

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CATCH17;2928153 said:
Prove it.

It's impossible for me to prove (only takes one occurrence for it to be disproven, so you'd have to set up an indefinite amount of trials), but there is staggering evidence that there are many, many species yet to be found:

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/science/nature/7531537.stm
http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0707-new_monkey_wcs.html
http://news.mongabay.com/2009/0810-hance_species_himalayas.html
http://www.itwire.com/content/view/20698/1231/
http://wildlife-conservation.suite101.com/article.cfm/two_new_porcupines_in_the_amazon
http://forests.org/rainforestarticles/
 

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Misleading title where's the dinosaurs? :mad:
 

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These articles that talk about preserving rainforests etc always remind me of this quote from the Matrix.

"I’d like to share a revelation that I’ve had, during my time here. It came to me when I tried to classify your species and I realized that you aren’t actually mammals. Every mammal on this planet instinctively develops a natural equilibrium with its surrounding environment, but you humans do not. You move to an area and you multiply, and multiply until every natural resource is consumed and the only way you can survive is to spread to another area. There is another organism on this planet that follows the same pattern. Do you know what it is? –A virus. Human beings are a disease, a cancer of this planet. You are a plague..."

And to think this is on land, can you imagine all the undiscovered species in the ocean depths.

I am disappointed they didn't have any pictures of the fanged frog.
 

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ABQCOWBOY;2928133 said:
I recall. In fact, I posted this because of that discussion. Figured it might be of some interest.


Thank you....so it seems that not only is it NOT impossible to discover a new species of some size, but it is actually still possible to find an entirely new ecosystem. That is interesting....

:D
 

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Temo;2928187 said:

Prove the "unprovable" or else!
 

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ScipioCowboy;2928287 said:
Oh, the places I could take this if forum guidelines were different!

I'm just looking for the answers to the questions that have haunted man since the beginning of time.

A) Is there Sasquatch?

B) How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?

C) Why did anyone ever think it was a good idea to spray paint hair on a bald head?
 

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Hoofbite;2928306 said:
I'm just looking for the answers to the questions that have haunted man since the beginning of time.

A) Is there Sasquatch?

B) How many licks does it take to get to the center of a tootsie pop?

C) Why did anyone ever think it was a good idea to spray paint hair on a bald head?

A) Indubitably

B) 42

C) Stumped.
 

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Upon further research the group from Louisiana claims this new find taste like Chicken. :lmao2:
 

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tomson75;2928126 said:
Impossible. I was informed just last week that discoveries like this don't happen.

Ever.

You were informed that mammals the size of dogs aren't "discovered". Not frogs and such.
 

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CowboyWay;2928436 said:
You were informed that mammals the size of dogs aren't "discovered". Not frogs and such.

The gambian pouched rats are currently the largest rats and they are the size of small dogs so this new rat might be bigger. I'm no ratologist but i'm pretty sure they are mammals.
 

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BadWolf;2928510 said:
The gambian pouched rats are currently the largest rats and they are the size of small dogs so this new rat might be bigger. I'm no ratologist but i'm pretty sure they are mammals.

True enough. But this is just a different "form" of rat.

In the original thread, it was about "new" "undiscovered" animals, like the chupacabra.

Something that isn't just a "version" of something else. A brand new species of critter the likes of which have never been seen.
 

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CowboyWay;2928659 said:
True enough. But this is just a different "form" of rat.

In the original thread, it was about "new" "undiscovered" animals, like the chupacabra.

Something that isn't just a "version" of something else. A brand new species of critter the likes of which have never been seen.

I know, big whoop, they found another type of rat...another type of frog...another type of bird...another type of snake....*yawn*
 

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CowboyWay;2928436 said:
You were informed that mammals the size of dogs aren't "discovered". Not frogs and such.

You informed me of nothing of the sort. You're still wrong, only I didn't care enough to continue the conversation.

...and now an an entire ecosystem is found (considerably larger than a coyote), and you're still being hardheaded.

Go figure.
 
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