LSU CB Jalen Collins

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We have visited with him.

I have seen a mock where Waynes, Peters, Johnson and Jones are off the board and they have us taking him... Link to that mock - http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...rdTU3BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDVklQNTgyXzE-

Also has us taking Duke Johnson in the second.

But back to the first pick and scenario

I have seen some say they want Johnson, Some want Jones, Some want Peters....don't see many talk about Collins. Would you be ok if he was the pick?

OVERVIEW
Made just 10 starts in his college career. In 2014, played in all 13 games, starting seven while leading the Tigers with 10 passes defensed. Allowed completion rate of a little more than 35 percent on passes thrown at him. In 2013, lost his starting job after two games, but played in all 13, allowing 10 completions for 163 yards on 18 targets. Selected to the Freshman All-SEC Team in 2012, finishing with two interceptions. Given a 4-star rating by Rivals and selected Mississippi 6A first-team All State while attending Olive Branch High School (Miss.). Underwent foot operation in March, but is expected to be ready for May minicamp, per NFL Media senior analyst Gil Brandt.

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Rare combination of height, weight and speed. Has the foot quickness and twitch to trigger on demand. Uses soft, bouncy feet to change direction and drive instantly on throws. Has arm length to play from trail position and still knock passes away. Desired awareness in zone with extended playmaking range. Will make plays outside of his area and has speed to come across field to chase down a loose running back or receiver. Able to redirect from press coverage and will only get better with more coaching. Leaper with the ability to challenge and win 50/50 throws. Buys in and does his part in run support.
WEAKNESSES
Only 10 career starts. Plays with talent over technique. Needs to improve patience in press coverage rather than opening up too early. More of a straight-line burner than fluid, change-of-direction athlete. A little stiff-hipped and is a tick slow to open and accelerate. Plays with build-up speed over instant gas. Inconsistent to turn and find/track the ball. Not a naturally aggressive, physical player. Can hit with force, but doesn't go out of his way looking for it. Showed more aggression as a tackler earlier in season than he did to close the year.
DRAFT PROJECTION
Round 1
SOURCES TELL US
"They all have holes, but Collins is what you are looking for in an NFL cornerback with his length and speed. He isn't there yet, but he has the traits and ability to become a high-end starter and maybe the best cornerback from this draft." -- NFC director of personnel
NFL COMPARISON
Terence Newman
BOTTOM LINE
Immensely talented cornerback who brings the entire triangle (height, weight, speed) with him. Still learning technique and how to sink his feet with his eyes, but the instincts and athleticism to make plays on the ball both short and deep are what set him apart. Collins is a work in progress, but his physical and play traits create a very high ceiling if he continues to learn to play the position.
 

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We have visited with him.

I have seen a mock where Waynes, Peters, Johnson and Jones are off the board and they have us taking him... Link to that mock - http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nfl-s...rdTU3BGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMxBHZ0aWQDVklQNTgyXzE-

Also has us taking Duke Johnson in the second.

But back to the first pick and scenario

I have seen some say they want Johnson, Some want Jones, Some want Peters....don't see many talk about Collins. Would you be ok if he was the pick?

OVERVIEW
Made just 10 starts in his college career. In 2014, played in all 13 games, starting seven while leading the Tigers with 10 passes defensed. Allowed completion rate of a little more than 35 percent on passes thrown at him. In 2013, lost his starting job after two games, but played in all 13, allowing 10 completions for 163 yards on 18 targets. Selected to the Freshman All-SEC Team in 2012, finishing with two interceptions. Given a 4-star rating by Rivals and selected Mississippi 6A first-team All State while attending Olive Branch High School (Miss.). Underwent foot operation in March, but is expected to be ready for May minicamp, per NFL Media senior analyst Gil Brandt.

ANALYSIS
STRENGTHS
Rare combination of height, weight and speed. Has the foot quickness and twitch to trigger on demand. Uses soft, bouncy feet to change direction and drive instantly on throws. Has arm length to play from trail position and still knock passes away. Desired awareness in zone with extended playmaking range. Will make plays outside of his area and has speed to come across field to chase down a loose running back or receiver. Able to redirect from press coverage and will only get better with more coaching. Leaper with the ability to challenge and win 50/50 throws. Buys in and does his part in run support.
WEAKNESSES
Only 10 career starts. Plays with talent over technique. Needs to improve patience in press coverage rather than opening up too early. More of a straight-line burner than fluid, change-of-direction athlete. A little stiff-hipped and is a tick slow to open and accelerate. Plays with build-up speed over instant gas. Inconsistent to turn and find/track the ball. Not a naturally aggressive, physical player. Can hit with force, but doesn't go out of his way looking for it. Showed more aggression as a tackler earlier in season than he did to close the year.
DRAFT PROJECTION
Round 1
SOURCES TELL US
"They all have holes, but Collins is what you are looking for in an NFL cornerback with his length and speed. He isn't there yet, but he has the traits and ability to become a high-end starter and maybe the best cornerback from this draft." -- NFC director of personnel
NFL COMPARISON
Terence Newman
BOTTOM LINE
Immensely talented cornerback who brings the entire triangle (height, weight, speed) with him. Still learning technique and how to sink his feet with his eyes, but the instincts and athleticism to make plays on the ball both short and deep are what set him apart. Collins is a work in progress, but his physical and play traits create a very high ceiling if he continues to learn to play the position.

I need to watch more game footage, but he scares me as a 1st round pick.

Getting benched in 2013 is concerning.
 

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We have visited with him.

DRAFT PROJECTION
Round 1
SOURCES TELL US
"They all have holes, but Collins is what you are looking for in an NFL cornerback with his length and speed. He isn't there yet, but he has the traits and ability to become a high-end starter and maybe the best cornerback from this draft." -- NFC director of personnel
NFL COMPARISON
Terence Newman
BOTTOM LINE
Immensely talented cornerback who brings the entire triangle (height, weight, speed) with him. Still learning technique and how to sink his feet with his eyes, but the instincts and athleticism to make plays on the ball both short and deep are what set him apart. Collins is a work in progress, but his physical and play traits create a very high ceiling if he continues to learn to play the position.


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Two things that will scare some Cowboys fans.
1) He's from LSU
2) Terrance Newman comparison

Stupid reasons to not like someone considering almost all of the recent high end LSU DB's have panned out (we draft the only one who didnt) & Newman played very well for us for a pretty long time until he got older & was asked to play injured in a shaky secondary for a year. Not sure many will hate on this board for these reasons but i know there are other boards where this is all they would talk about.
 

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Two things that will scare some Cowboys fans.
1) He's from LSU
2) Terrance Newman comparison

Stupid reasons to not like someone considering almost all of the recent high end LSU DB's have panned out (we draft the only one who didnt) & Newman played very well for us for a pretty long time until he got older & was asked to play injured in a shaky secondary for a year. Not sure many will hate on this board for these reasons but i know there are other boards where this is all they would talk about.

Patrick Peterson should offset Claiborne.

Newman needed better coaching than Dave Campo.
 

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Patrick Peterson should offset Claiborne.

Newman needed better coaching than Dave Campo.

Do we have that with Jerome Henderson? Maybe I'm spoiled with Rod on DL and Elfbus on LB's, but Henderson hasn't struck me as a very good coach.
 

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Do we have that with Jerome Henderson? Maybe I'm spoiled with Rod on DL and Elfbus on LB's, but Henderson hasn't struck me as a very good coach.

I wondered about that also. Patmon and Moore seemed to overacheive but Carr regressed. I would blame him for Claibore who is just weak minded. Scandrick took the step up to full time outside CB but he probably would have anyway.

Henderson did help develelop Joe Haden in Cleveland.

I'll guess that Henderson is middle of the pack in terms of NFL coaches. Campo was well below average as a DB coach during his last stint with the Cowboys.
 

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He's one of my top targets. There's some boom or bust for sure but I think in 2 years we're talking about him as the next shut down corner with a happy medium of Rhoades with the Vikes.

And I totally disagree with the stiff hips assessment. I recall watching the combine and when Mayock broke out his new football term 'oily hips', he said he was watching tape of this guy when he came up with it. For such a big guy to have such quick feet and fluid hips and he's very very very willing to tackle, which is probably what impressed me the most.

His toughness is pretty much the main reason he won't be a Claiborne type bust.
 

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Rumors are Pittsburgh really, really likes him. The mocks have Johnson going to them, but I could easily see Collins to them.
 

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Rumors are Pittsburgh really, really likes him. The mocks have Johnson going to them, but I could easily see Collins to them.

I have heard or read that they really like Collins, Johnson and Jones... Guess they like most of the CBS lol
 

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That mock seems just about worst case scenario for us. All the top WR, OT, RB, and CB are all gone. To me the question there is how terrified are you of Gregory at 27. With that board I think I have to roll the dice on him at that point, or leverage him to someone who does want him.
 

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I would trade back if he was the best option at 27. Trade back and pick up Ajayi or Coleman with the first pick in the second and defense with the second.
 

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I have heard or read that they really like Collins, Johnson and Jones... Guess they like most of the CBS lol

They may be an ideal trade down candidate for a team like Dallas or Baltimore to reach out to if they want to move up. Pitt can drop down, pick up an extra pick and get one of those guys at a better value. One of those 3 will most likely be there at 26 or 27.
 

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I don't see the Newman comparison.

I'd probably like Collins a lot more if he played anything like T-New. Newman ran a 4.3

Collins is more in the Brandon Carr mold. Good size, physical, but will struggle with smaller, shiftier receivers.
 

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Like Teague31 says - couldn't do it. Right or wrong, nothing would make me pull the trigger on that pic in the 1st. round. (The Claiborne effect) ...
 
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