ABQCOWBOY;4294852 said:
I don't know what you are doing here. You are quoting your own quote and arguing it's content with yourself? I don't know. I will simply say that Bama had an opportunity to beat LSU and failed. They had their shot. OSU has not played LSU and they should get an opportunity to do so.
Unfortunately for you, there's nothing in the BCS rules that says if a team loses to the No. 1 team, the losing team is excluded from the BCS Championship Game.
So your argument "Alabama had its shot" isn't substantiated by the only objective fact we can consider, i.e., the BCS rules.
There is no logical way that Alabama should be number 2.
Oklahoma State's opponents have a combined record of 81-63 (.563 winning percentage) this season. They played four teams that were ranked in the top 25 at the time of the game, and two of those games—Kansas State, Oklahoma—were against teams in the top 15.
Alabama's opponents combined for an 85-61 record (.582 winning percentage). However, when you take out the game against Georgia Southern, an FCS school, the record dwindles down to 75-59 (.560). Games against None D1 or D2A opponents are supposed to be penalized in the BCS rankings. At least, this was the story the BCS told in the past.
How interesting that you didn't mention that Alabama played five teams in the Top 25 at the time they played them - Penn State, Arkanas, Florida, LSU and Auburn. And of course, Alabama loses to the top ranked team by three points in overtime.
Second, if the BCS supposed penalizes non D1 teams, is it also supposedly supposed to penalize top teams that lose to unranked teams like OSU did to Iowa State?
Last week the Tide received every second-place vote and 1,440 points, while Oklahoma State received 1,286 points.
This week, the Tide received 38 second-place votes and 1,418 points and the Cowboys got 22 second-place votes and 1,400 points. Two voters had Oklahoma State fourth.
If we are going to say that we must follow the rules and regs of the BCS, how do you vote OSU 4th? All points of reference, specific to who should be ranked higher (assuming Stanford is being voted 3rd), favor OSU. How is it that voters vote OSU 4th?
What rules and regs state that coaches must vote a certain way? If that were part of the rules, then it wouldn't be happening. Apparently, the rules allow discretion to the coaches who vote.
If you view this with no bias, OSU should be ranked 2nd over Alabama. That clearly is not happening.
Whenever you involve humans, you have the potential for bias. However, having the human element isn't that bad. Coaches generally know who is the better team. And they measure factors such as OSU losing to Iowa State and Alabama losing to LSU by three points.
The NFL or Superbowl doesn't matter at all. They have a playoff system, based on win/loss. There is no comparison at all.
The comparison is simple. Teams who play in the regular season also play each other in the post-season. What happened between the two teams in the regular season doesn't preclude the two teams from meeting in the post-season. And for college, the post-season is the Bowl games.
That's the only point of the comparison.
This is not an accurate statement. The SEC is ranked slightly higher then the Big 12 this year but that is because of the human voting. The fact of the matter is that in almost all computer rankings, the Big 12 is ranked higher. It is a stronger conference but, because of the human voting leaning so heavily towards the SEC, the SEC is viewed as stronger. Again, this is all about bias and not about actual play on the field.
Could it be that the Big 12 is higher in the ranking because they play a more wide-open offense in the Big 12 with minimal defense? The SEC defense is better than the Big 12.
Furthermore, the only matchup between the SEC (Arkansas) and Big12 (Texas A&M, soon to be in the SEC), the SEC won.
The reason the human voting considers the SEC better is because they play better defense. LSU hung 40 plus points on nine teams, including six teams ranked in the top 25. Alabama held LSU to
9 points!!!!.
And yet, the OSU allowed Iowa State to hang 37 on their defense, allowed Kansas St. 45.
I think you can see why coaches have more confidence in Alabama's defense's ability to shut down OSU based on what it did to LSU. Meanwhile, OSU doesn't have a defense approaching Alabama's.
It's pretty simple. If you start at #2, you start with more points. If you start at #9, you have fewer points. In order for 9# reach 2, they must accumulate more points or make up more ground.
Okay?
Yeah, lets talk about that for just a second. Bama lost to LSU already. We already know who the better team is by virtue of play on the field. That's the way it's set up. OSU lost to ISU on the road in a double overtime game on a day when OSU suffers the loss of the Basketball Coach and staff members? You can discount this if you wish but I find it difficult to penalize OSU overly harsh. They lost a game they should have won under very difficult circumstances.
You mean a game they were leading 24-7 in the third quarter? I don't want to make light of the tragedy, but they didn't see to be doing too bad for much of the game.
And, truth be told, how much interaction did the football players have with the basketball coach. Again, I tread lightly here, but did they really know the women's basketball coach all that well?
And if we're going to discuss tragedy, Alabama had its share of tragedy also with the tornadoes that devastated the area around the University of Alabama.
LSU lost a game it could have won as well. To me, the stronger statement is the one LSU made. They beat Alabama on the road. OSU lost a game they should have won. If the goal is to create a matchup pitting the two best teams, then how can you say that Alabama should play LSU again? Basically, by saying Bama LSU, you are saying that nobody else is good enough. If you are making that statement without ever providing the chance to prove it on the field, then why are we even playing the games? Might as well crown the champ at the start of the season or after the first LSU/Bama game. This is the height of stupidity by the BCS IMO. It sends the wrong message IMO.
The goal of the BCS is not to avoid a rematch but to pit No. 1 vs. No. 2. The rules don't say
unless No. 1 and No. 2 have played in the regular season.
They are the best teams. LSU by virtue of their undefeated season. Alabama by virtue of holding a high-powered LSU team to 6 points in regulation and 9 points overall. And that despite Alabama missing three field goals and having a controversial catch overturned as an interception call, which would have likely won the game for Alabama.
Meanwhile, OSU loses to Iowa State. IOWA STATE. And that by allowing IOWA STATE to score 37 points on them.
The majority of the voters agree that Alabama is the better team than OSU. Thus, they're in the BCS Championship Game.
All OSU had to do is beat Iowa State, and this debate would have been settled. OSU failed to take care of business so now they're playing Stanford.
It says that it should be considered, by the fact that you are playing another game then the teams that have not advanced to a Conference Championship, theoretically facing another ranked opponent. For the record, I never said you had to play in a Conference Championship in order to play for a BCS title. That part is wordsmithing on your part. Find that quote from me and post it. I said that it is supposed to be considered which is true.
You keep on bringing it up as if it's supposed to be a factor. If you're not making the argument, then stop offering it.
You've given the only proof you can. I agree with that. However, it does not support Alabama's #2 ranking.
The reality is Alabama
IS ranked No. 2. That's all the proof I need. OSU could have been ranked No. 2, but it lost to Iowa State (6-6). You lose to a 6-6 team, you don't deserve to play for the BCS Championship. If Alabama had lost to a 6-6 team, it shouldn't play for the BCS Championship either even if they had beaten LSU.
But Alabama didn't lose to a 6-6 team, but played the best team to a 6-6 score until overtime.
Alabama is the only team that can hang with LSU. So Alabama gets another shot.
