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ok, basically said for those interested to know;

i look for on these players to pick up on is size and speed, stephen hodge, he is built like a bowling ball, he is pretty quick and just so big, but not tall
he made some plays today and if they cant do it now their not going to do it in a game

mcgee threw ball well
rudy carpenter, just didnt see it with rudy, but you can see why mcgee was drafted

jason williams has obviously some speed, and some size,

wade tougher policy area, yeah i think it started in january when they cut jones and later T O

i think you can be tough on them right off at the bat, but if you start off light, then you draw down the hammer, guys arent going to buy into it
this guy is 60 years old, he is just toonice a guy;

just dont know, you can tell he is trying, but dont know if will work

asst coaches high on, victor butler, de from oregon st, not alot of people heard about, i think thats the guy that look at and see something as a pass rusher, with these rookie camps, they have success but when veterans get here, rookies cant do it, but with the eye test, you can see butler has something

hannah was here, that there is too much talent ahead of him and hannah is real tall

feels that mcgee has some swagger to him, with chip on his shoulder smoaky says with alot of confidence, mac said he is cocky, almost crossing the line somewhat with arrogance or wrong type attitude, smoaky says;
mac said, you can see where jerry was interested in him, this guy can play

you hear this all over the map, you hear because of fran at tx a&m, but no one wants to hear whining, do well, and i think he did as well as he could with that roster on a&m, just deal with issue and play, i dont think he is a whiner, he has good feet and he can make the throws

there is a reason why mcgee went in 4th round, but josh freeman went in 1st round, cowboys like his confidence and at some point you just have to go and play


for those of you interested, you can listen to smoakys show on ipod, too
just thought id throw that out there, im not a great recaper but i try, but if you can listen to the live show then your probably better off,

on ipod, you can radio liscious something like that, go to license city, which is tyler then find our listing on ktbb,

feels that marcus dixon can be a player, since they dont have any other backup defensive linemen except bowen and hatcher; he stood out to me somewhat, in 1aa school, last year you see a physically a different guy, he is at about 290, and cowboys want him to get to 295, and he thinks they can work into rotation, and he might be marcus spears replacement next year

thats it, smoaky will have podcast up monday if anyone is interested
 

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asst coaches high on, victor butler, de from oregon st, not alot of people heard about, i think thats the guy that look at and see something as a pass rusher, with these rookie camps, they have success but when veterans get here, rookies cant do it, but with the eye test, you can see butler has something

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I really hope it's true regarding Butler. This would be great news, esp next year when Ellis is gone.

I was a bit surprised when we drafted Butler at 110 because I didn't know much about him. But he seems to have the desire, long arms, and the ability to get to the QB (at least in college).
 

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I don't see how you can cut a playmaker like TO for "chemistry" reasons and not have credibility in the lockerrom that you're being tougher.

Thanks for the post, Joe.
 

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Woods;2760270 said:
asst coaches high on, victor butler, de from oregon st, not alot of people heard about, i think thats the guy that look at and see something as a pass rusher, with these rookie camps, they have success but when veterans get here, rookies cant do it, but with the eye test, you can see butler has something

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I really hope it's true regarding Butler. This would be great news, esp next year when Ellis is gone.

I was a bit surprised when we drafted Butler at 110 because I didn't know much about him. But he seems to have the desire, long arms, and the ability to get to the QB (at least in college).
For what its worth, Kiper actually gave him a pretty good grade at 7.9 and 14th DE. A 7.9 for Kiper is good enough for the fourth round.
 

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speedkilz88;2760284 said:
For what its worth, Kiper actually gave him a pretty good grade at 7.9 and 14th DE. A 7.9 for Kiper is good enough for the fourth round.

Ahhhh . . . . I didn't know that. I actually have his 2009 Draft Report and never bothered to check Butler's bio.

Thanks.
 

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Woods;2760270 said:
asst coaches high on, victor butler, de from oregon st, not alot of people heard about, i think thats the guy that look at and see something as a pass rusher, with these rookie camps, they have success but when veterans get here, rookies cant do it, but with the eye test, you can see butler has something

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I really hope it's true regarding Butler. This would be great news, esp next year when Ellis is gone.

I was a bit surprised when we drafted Butler at 110 because I didn't know much about him. But he seems to have the desire, long arms, and the ability to get to the QB (at least in college).

another guy posted about butler on this, will copy and paste where he ran faster at his pro day

An article on Butlers speed....

Victor Butler lighter, and faster, on Pro Day ... Broncos will take a closer look
Posted by Paul Buker, The Oregonian March 13, 2009 17:42PM
Categories: Football
FRIDAY ... following Pro Day at Oregon State ...

We focus on Victor Butler, who is being worked out individually in the next few days by the Denver Broncos.

OSU's QB gobbling defensive end - who will likely be asked to play outside linebacker in the NFL - had lost eight pounds since the NFL Combine.

He ran a 4.58 40 at OSU, compared to 4.76 at the Combine.

His vertical jump was 32 ½ inches, compared to 33 at the Combine.

Butler's standing broad jump was 10-1 Friday, compared to 9-5 at the Combine.

There were 23 NFL teams represented at the OSU workout.

Vic trained at Athletes Performance Institute in Tempe, Ariz. after the Sun Bowl, alongside Oregon's Patrick Chung.

I asked Butler if Chung - a highly-regarded safety prospect - took it easy on him about the Civil War game.

"We tried not to bring that up too much,'' said Butler, who on Friday was enjoying the company of his old teammates and his family.

Butler is represented by Momentum Football out of San Antonio, Tex., and the firm was represented at the Pro Day by Troy Asmus.

Asmus said that Butler understands "the work ahead of him'' to have a career in20the NFL and thinks Butler can handle switching positions.

While some NFL draft websites have Butler going in the sixth or seventh round, the Momentum Football folks think he could be gone by Round 4.

Butler said Friday he felt like he "put up some pretty good numbers.''

He said Pro Day was much less stressful than the zoo-like atmosphere at the Combine.

"You didn't have all 32 teams there, no coaches, you were with teammates and guys were cracking jokes,'' said Butler. "I mean, you've been training and preparing (for these workouts) for 3-4 months now, so you're as ready as you're going to be.''

Butler got a charge out of seeing the guys he went to war with again. Some of the players hadn't been around each other since the OSU players went their separate ways after the win over Pitt in the Sun Bowl.

He took care to point out that close friend Slade Norris - the unsung defensive end on the OSU team considering how little attention he has been given before the NFL draft - stands a good chance of being drafted, even if the pre-draft analysis indicates Norris will have to go the free agent route.

"He is a phenomenal athlete,'' said Butler, "and he is an even better person. ... I had a lot of teams ask me about him, teams I won't name. ... I've heard nothing but good things about him (from other NFL teams). I think he's a guy that will help someone win games.''

Butler said his family is probably more excited than he is. "They see you grow up from playing Pop Warner, to high school ball, to college, and now they see your dream coming true,'' said Butler.

And about that position switch?

Moving to outside linebacker doesn't phase him.

"Like I said before, I'd play long snapper if it gets me there (to the NFL),'' he said.

"I love a challenge. I mean, I came to Oregon State with zero experience at defensive end, and that turned out OK. ... I'm not saying I'll jump right into it and be another Ray Lewis, but I think with time I've got a chance to be a really good player.''

Butler knows he will never experience the thrill of wearing an Oregon State uniform again, and he's heard that the "fun'' part is over and now it's all business. ... but you know what kind of personality Butler is, and so you won't be surprised to hear that he doesn't buy that "no fun'' stuff for a minute.

It's football, said Butler. "I don't believe the guys in the NFL aren't having fun.''

But he can't help but feel wistful about being an ex-Oregon State player.

"I miss these college guys,'' he said. "I know I'm never going to get to play ball like that again.

"I loved the team I played for - I wouldn't have wanted to play for anybody else, whether it's USC or Florida State - and I love these guys. That's never going to change.''

- PB

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theogt;2760276 said:
I don't see how you can cut a playmaker like TO for "chemistry" reasons and not have credibility in the lockerrom that you're being tougher.

Thanks for the post, Joe.

theogt, i think thats one of the things wade is planning to do; he isnt going to say i will take accountability, you just play hard on the field,

i think wade sees with these players, some of them you cant treat them like professionals, that you have to make them accountable
 
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I am really pulling for Dixon to make the team and be productive. As for replacing Spears, I think that if Spears have a solid productive year he will be resigned. But I like the fact that overall, the Boys are looking to develop their own and not afraid to go with the younger players.
 

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Va_BoysFan4 Life;2760855 said:
I am really pulling for Dixon to make the team and be productive. As for replacing Spears, I think that if Spears have a solid productive year he will be resigned. But I like the fact that overall, the Boys are looking to develop their own and not afraid to go with the younger players.

i would hope that spears comes through, because i would or i dont like the cowboys having to spend another top pick on a defensive player
we need an OT or OG in 1st round badly or impact young wr
 
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