Mad Men Finale

[theogt]

Did anyone else watch this? I just got to watch it last night.

Best episode ever for this show. Really fantastic stuff.

 

[TheCount]

I watched it, definitely a great finale. I think it was the first time the women got to understand that as much of a scumbag Don can be as far as being faithful to his wife, Betty is equally terrible as a mother so between the two of them, there really is no high road to be taken.

I do wonder how much of what Don said to Pete and Peggy was BS though.

 

[theogt]

I watched it, definitely a great finale. I think it was the first time the women got to understand that as much of a scumbag Don can be as far as being faithful to his wife, Betty is equally terrible as a mother so between the two of them, there really is no high road to be taken.

I do wonder how much of what Don said to Pete and Peggy was BS though.

I've become increasingly tired of Betty's character. No doubt she is a terrible mother/wife.

I like the theme of Don realizing he shouldn't take relationships for granted, so I think he meant what he said to a degree.

 

[bbgun]

All that matters is that the "Don and Roger bromance" is alive and well. Poor Kinsey: always the bridesmaid. And why did Don prefer a little weasel like Pete Campbell over Cosgrove, who must have had million dollar accounts of his own? Plus, Campbell can still blackmail Don regarding his past. Ditto Betty, which is probably why Don isn't fighting the divorce. Having to hear about Henry Francis (um, what's the appeal of that guy?) from Roger had to hurt like hell. Loved the scene where they were basically gutting Sterling Cooper over the weekend ("we've been robbed!"). It had an Ocean's 11 feel to it. I was hoping that Sal (like Red) would somehow be resurrected, but maybe next year. Betty is indeed a cold ***** at times (esp to the children), but Don is the last person to be dragging her out of bed and calling her a *****. Maybe he can rekindle his flame with the nutty teacher. After all, he's a free man now. Still don't trust Peggy and her relationship with Duck (ewwww). I see him using her as a mole in vengeance against his old employers.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

Mad Men is like the Soap Opera for men

 

[theogt]

All that matters is that the "Don and Roger bromance" is alive and well. Poor Kinsey: always the bridesmaid. And why did Don prefer a little weasel like Pete Campbell over Cosgrove, who must have had million dollar accounts of his own? Plus, Campbell can still blackmail Don regarding his past. Ditto Betty, which is probably why Don isn't fighting the divorce. Having to hear about Henry Francis (um, what's the appeal of that guy?) from Roger had to hurt like hell. Loved the scene where they were basically gutting Sterling Cooper over the weekend ("we've been robbed!"). It had an Ocean's 11 feel to it. I was hoping that Sal (like Red) would somehow be resurrected, but maybe next year. Betty is indeed a cold ***** at times (esp to the children), but Don is the last person to be dragging her out of bed and calling her a *****. Maybe he can rekindle his flame with the nutty teacher. After all, he's a free man now. Still don't trust Peggy and her relationship with Duck (ewwww). I see him using her as a mole in vengeance against his old employers.

I'm sure he picked Campbell because he was more likely to jump ship. Of course, they didnt know just how right they were at the time.

I think they'll poach guys like Kinsey at a later day. He's too recurring of a character to just be dropped completely. I thoguht the same thing about Sal. I kept waiting for them to call him up. Probably will depend on if they took Lucky Strike as a client.

 

[JohnnyHopkins]

I've never watched it even though I've heard great things. What network is it on and what are they mad about?

 

[bbgun]

I'm sure he picked Campbell because he was more likely to jump ship. Of course, they didnt know just how right they were at the time.

I think they'll poach guys like Kinsey at a later day. He's too recurring of a character to just be dropped completely. I thoguht the same thing about Sal. I kept waiting for them to call him up. Probably will depend on if they took Lucky Strike as a client.

Lucky Strike is the only thing Roger is bringing with him (a $25M account). Still can't figure out why he and Don had a falling out. Because he was boinking Don's secretary? Why should Don care? He had no interest in her, and he's a babehound himself. Bros before hoes. As usual, Harry remained oblivious to what was happening, and yet he always lands on his feet. Kinsey was not so lucky.

 

[Yeagermeister]

Mad Men is like the Soap Opera for men

And you have seen every episode

 

[TheCount]

I'm sure he picked Campbell because he was more likely to jump ship. Of course, they didnt know just how right they were at the time.

I think they'll poach guys like Kinsey at a later day. He's too recurring of a character to just be dropped completely. I thoguht the same thing about Sal. I kept waiting for them to call him up. Probably will depend on if they took Lucky Strike as a client.

I think they really did need Pete's account in addition to their knowing how much he wants to be recognized. Kinsey doesnt really have any accounts to bring with him but yeah, perfect opportunity to bring back Sal and I knew Joan would be back as soon as the idea of them breaking away came up, thank goodness.

 

[bbgun]

No lawnmowers in the office, please.

 

[theogt]

Lucky Strike is the only thing Roger is bringing with him (a $25M account). Still can't figure out why he and Don had a falling out. Because he was boinking Don's secretary? Why should Don care? He had no interest in her, and he's a babehound himself. Bros before hoes. As usual, Harry remained oblivious to what was happening, and yet he always lands on his feet. Kinsey was not so lucky.

Forgot about Roger and LS. The Don/Roger feud was sort of a mystery to me as well. I think he turned on him when he divorced his wife and married the young girl. Remember him slapping Roger when he was having a heart attack, telling him his wife's name was Mona. Then the comment at Roger's party about people laughing at him or some such. I just don't know why it bothered him so much. Perhaps just a throwback to that era when divorce was considered taboo. I think he began to think of Roger as a boy and not a man for doing what he did. He treats young people with contempt, particularly spoiled young people (like his wife). Roger inherited his position and was acting like a child.

I think they really did need Pete's account in addition to their knowing how much he wants to be recognized. Kinsey doesnt really have any accounts to bring with him but yeah, perfect opportunity to bring back Sal and I knew Joan would be back as soon as the idea of them breaking away came up, thank goodness.

Kinsey is talent/creative, right? Not accounts? Yeah, immediately when they began to wonder where things were in the office, you knew Joan was getting a call.

 

[bbgun]

Forgot about Roger and LS. The Don/Roger feud was sort of a mystery to me as well. I think he turned on him when he divorced his wife and married the young girl. Remember him slapping Roger when he was having a heart attack, telling him his wife's name was Mona. Then the comment at Roger's party about people laughing at him or some such. I just don't know why it bothered him so much. Perhaps just a throwback to that era when divorce was considered taboo. I think he began to think of Roger as a boy and not a man for doing what he did. He treats young people with contempt, particularly spoiled young people (like his wife). Roger inherited his position and was acting like a child.

At the wedding, Don said "Nobody thinks you're happy; they think you're a fool." That to me was a clear allusion to the age of Roger's new bride. Also, Roger once made a pass at Betty, so there may have been some lingering resentment.

 

[TheCount]

Kinsey is talent/creative, right? Not accounts? Yeah, immediately when they began to wonder where things were in the office, you knew Joan was getting a call.

Yeah he's creative, so if Peggy though. I have felt terrible for Kinsey ever since his one great idea died a terrible death at the hands of ****ty clients, as a designer I feel his pain. :laugh2:

 

[Temo]

I just saw it. Thought it was great. To respond to some of the questions above:

1. I do think they went after Campbell because he was the black sheep and they knew he'd be more likely to jump ****. Cosgrove was risky because he might have decided to be a "company man" and rat them out. They just completely ignored Kinsey though, which I thought was pathetically hilarious.

2. I think the Roger/Don feud was based on 2 things. The first Roger alludes to in the finale when he says to Don "You've never respected what I do". And the other is that while Don is "babehound" as you say, he does have a weirdly strong attachment to family. He never wanted to leave Betty for the Schoolteacher, for instance and he fought that divorce initially until I guess he realized it was useless. He wanted and had his women on the side, but at the end of the day he would always come back to family. I think Don thought Roger the fool because Roger threw all that away.

3. They'd have to be pretty desperate to bring Sal back. I mean Don wasn't exactly gentle when he threw him out. And then to basically beg Sal to get back onboard after Don basically told him he was expendable-- I don't know how that goes over.

 

[TheCount]

3. They'd have to be pretty desperate to bring Sal back. I mean Don wasn't exactly gentle when he threw him out. And then to basically beg Sal to get back onboard after Don basically told him he was expendable-- I don't know how that goes over.

Well as far as Sal you have to understand the times. Being gay would be seen almost like a disease back then.

When Don witnessed what happened in the hotel room, he didn't really give a crap, I mean afterall his entire life is a lie. But after he knows Sal is gay, the idea that he would turn down another man and risk losing such a big account pisses him off, especially since he's slept with several clients himself to keep/get their business.

However, I think you're right in that I didn't truely understand why Don seemed so angry while letting him go, especially since he knew quite well that he was gay already.

 

[theogt]

Well as far as Sal you have to understand the times. Being gay would be seen almost like a disease back then.

When Don witnessed what happened in the hotel room, he didn't really give a crap, I mean afterall his entire life is a lie. But after he knows Sal is gay, the idea that he would turn down another man and risk losing such a big account pisses him off, especially since he's slept with several clients himself to keep/get their business.

However, I think you're right in that I didn't truely understand why Don seemed so angry while letting him go, especially since he knew quite well that he was gay already.

Yeah, pretty funny when he insinuated that if it were a woman, he would have (or at least should have) slept with her.

 

[Temo]

Well as far as Sal you have to understand the times. Being gay would be seen almost like a disease back then.

When Don witnessed what happened in the hotel room, he didn't really give a crap, I mean afterall his entire life is a lie. But after he knows Sal is gay, the idea that he would turn down another man and risk losing such a big account pisses him off, especially since he's slept with several clients himself to keep/get their business.

However, I think you're right in that I didn't truely understand why Don seemed so angry while letting him go, especially since he knew quite well that he was gay already.

No I know why he turned Sal out on his ***. I'm just saying I don't know why he'd go bring him back now. People seem to think it's given that he's going to be back on the show, but I don't see it.

Unless it's part of Don's "we have to be forward looking" thing.

 

[bbgun]

Wilbon's a MM fan?

Lancaster, Penn.: Re: Mad Men

Wasn't that just the most riveting show last night. I just sat there saying "Oh, my God!" over and over again. Beat the Eagles/Cowboys game hands down. The drama surrounding Don and Betty was almost as depressing as the Commanders (and, believe me, it's hard to be a Skins fan in this neck of the woods).

Michael Wilbon: The scenes with Don Draper and Peggy Olson were even better, if that's possible than the ones with Don and Betty. Clearly, Betty is being written out. I thought the only thing that made the episode a 9.99 instead of a 10 was making it so that we had to dislike Betty Draper because she's being written out of the series. Man, she didn't have to be THAT cold to her children. Doesn't seeing her sitting on the flight next to homeboy seal the deal that she's out, except possibly for a few scenes next year? ... Does anybody know if January Jones is going to make movies or going to star in her own drama or whatever? Look, I hate to see January Jones go. Every man does. But the show's characters are so well-defined and the storylines are so compelling. I can't think of the last show I liked as much as Mad Men. And I'm a drama fanatic.

 

[theogt]

Betty's been THAT cold to her children since the beginning.