Madonna lip sync?

Doomsday101;4412686 said:
I have heard all that before bottom line she is a studio singer, she does not do it live. I'm not impressed by her, I respect her more as an actor than a singer.

I think if you are a true musician then you perform live if you can't then to me it is just people dancing on stage to a CD and studio can make you sound much better than you are. Just a pet peeve of mine, those who enjoy her shows great just not my cup of tea

Eh.. Madonna was around long before we've had all this studio equip that can make anyone into a singer nowadays. I think its pretty universally known that she can sing well. Again, the issue is more cardio than talent, imo.

Next time you go on a run or hit the treadmill at the gym, try to sing.. see how it turns out haha.
 
RoyTheHammer;4412693 said:
Eh.. Madonna was around long before we've had all this studio equip that can make anyone into a singer nowadays. I think its pretty universally known that she can sing well. Again, the issue is more cardio than talent, imo.

Next time you go on a run or hit the treadmill at the gym, try to sing.. see how it turns out haha.

I know how long she has been around and again if you like it fine I don't. I expect musicians to perform and do so live not lip sync. That is her that is what she does as do some others and those who like that is fine my own view I don't care of it and do not have much respect for it. I sure as hell would not pay money to watch a person dancing on stage lip syncing.

As for the tread mill comment she is paid big money other artist are very active on stage and they don't lip sync. Is the vocals perfect no but it is not suppose to be they are performing live.
 
Doomsday101;4412749 said:
I know how long she has been around and again if you like it fine I don't. I expect musicians to perform and do so live not lip sync. That is her that is what she does as do some others and those who like that is fine my own view I don't care of it and do not have much respect for it. I sure as hell would not pay money to watch a person dancing on stage lip syncing.

I don't like it at all.. i hate pop music, lol. To each their own.. if you don't like it, don't watch it. That doesn't mean she isn't talented though. Just means if im doing jumping jacks for 10 minutes straight i probably wouldn't sound good trying to sing a song during that time, haha.

For all we know, they could have asked her to lay down a base track beforehand so that, like you said, she wouldn't have sounded bad during the performance trying to dance and sing at the same time. I think people just like to nitpick silly things like this because they have to have something to be outraged about at all times.

Does anyone really care that much that she lip synced? Seriously?
 
RoyTheHammer;4412754 said:
I don't like it at all.. i hate pop music, lol. To each their own.. if you don't like it, don't watch it. That doesn't mean she isn't talented though. Just means if im doing jumping jacks for 10 minutes straight i probably wouldn't sound good trying to sing a song during that time, haha.

Talent is in the eye of the beholder, you may think she is a great talent I don't. As for not watching her I don't, had she not been doing the half time show I would not have seen her then. Other artist are also very active on stage the vocals are not perfect they are live. So what if she runs around dances and the vocals are not just as they are on the CD at least it would be live
 
kimrose;4412602 said:
Hey Juke! How the heck are you?? It's Lane's wife, Kim.

Did you like Tom Petty's half time show a few years ago? IMO, it was one of the best. Some might find it boring, but I've seen him live, and standing still or not, his performances are great. True talent.

I've seen Tom Petty in concert a half dozen times. he's great.

And imagine that, he can actually write a song...play and instrument...and sing live. Gee.

How are ya?
 
Doomsday101;4412757 said:
Talent is in the eye of the beholder, you may think she is a great talent I don't. As for not watching her I don't, had she not been doing the half time show I would not have seen her then. Other artist are also very active on stage the vocals are not perfect they are live. So what if she runs around dances and the vocals are not just as they are on the CD at least it would be live

Like i said.. to each their own. Again, for all we know, they asked her to lay down the vocals beforehand so that the singing performance wouldn't be crappy as she was running around doing her dance performance.

In the grand scheme of things, its not worth two seconds discussing. Who really cares?
 
Doomsday101;4412599 said:
I agree. Entertainer yes, musician no.

Frankly I like her acting better than her singing.

I never trust lavish productions. It's like a huge shell game to distract from the fact that the performer is mininally talented, at best.

AND if there is a huge production, dandy...so long as that same performer can sit at a piano and play...or pick up a guitar and sing...

McCartney does an amazing show around the song "Live and Let Die"...but it's the rare exception in his shows...and he uh, can actually play an instrument...or two...or three...
 
RoyTheHammer;4412662 said:
Its much easier for a band like Bruce Springsteen to not lip sync their performance than someone like Madonna, who has to dance the entire time as well. I see no problem with it for people who are singer/dancers. Its not a question of their talent to be able to sing.. everyone knows Madonna can sing. Its a question of losing your breath from the huge dance performance you are pairing with the singing as well, and any of us should completely understand that.

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We do?

Is that why they sped up all her mixes in her early recordings and process the hell out of every one of her vocal tracks?

Sorry, your logic is backwards. The reason Springsteen doesn't have to put on a HUGE stage production is because in fact, he actually has talent.

Let me see Madonna stand at a microphone, accompanied by just a band and sing a song that she actually wrote.

Please.
 
Juke99;4412774 said:
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We do?

Is that why they sped up all her mixes in her early recordings and process the hell out of every one of her vocal tracks?

Sorry, your logic is backwards. The reason Springsteen doesn't have to put on a HUGE stage production is because in fact, he actually has talent.

Let me see Madonna stand at a microphone, accompanied by just a band and sing a song that she actually wrote.

Please.

Actually, you're right to an extent. Not in saying Madonna has no talent, but thinking about it.. she's always been known more for her lavish performances rather than her straight up singing ability.. although she sounds just fine, imo.

The problem is some of you are trying to compare her to actual bands, people who play instruments for a living, when what she does and what bands like Bruce Springsteen do are completely different.

Madonna sings, but also gives huge dance performances that have become her trademark and paved the way for people like Beyonce who do what they do now. If you're looking for her to sit down at a mic and play an instrument and sing a song, you simply arn't going to get it because that isn't what her performances are about. With her, its more about the show than it is about the music, and im sure the guys and gals responsible for picking the halftime performer knew this.

It wasn't a concert they were looking to put on, it was a grand, lavish performance.. and they got one. They dancing is just as big a part of it, if not more, than the singing.

There's a reason she's the top selling female recording artist of all time, and the top solo artist in the history of the Billboard charts.. and number 2 all time behind only the Beatles.. and in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

..and its not because she has no talent.

Also, there have been times where its just been her and her guitar with a mic on stage.. no grand production. Not what she's known for, but she's done it.
 
The only thing I'll add is that patrons have a right to know ahead of time if they're purchasing a live or lip synced performance. "Truth in advertising" shouldn't just apply to wrinkle removers.
 
RoyTheHammer;4412800 said:
Actually, you're right to an extent. Not in saying Madonna has no talent, but thinking about it.. she's always been known more for her lavish performances rather than her straight up singing ability.. although she sounds just fine, imo.

The problem is some of you are trying to compare her to actual bands, people who play instruments for a living, when what she does and what bands like Bruce Springsteen do are completely different.

Madonna sings, but also gives huge dance performances that have become her trademark and paved the way for people like Beyonce who do what they do now. If you're looking for her to sit down at a mic and play an instrument and sing a song, you simply arn't going to get it because that isn't what her performances are about. With her, its more about the show than it is about the music, and im sure the guys and gals responsible for picking the halftime performer knew this.

It wasn't a concert they were looking to put on, it was a grand, lavish performance.. and they got one. They dancing is just as big a part of it, if not more, than the singing.

There's a reason she's the top selling female recording artist of all time, and the top solo artist in the history of the Billboard charts.. and number 2 all time behind only the Beatles.. and in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame.

..and its not because she has no talent.


No, I'm not comparing her to bands...I'm comparing her to people with talent as MUSICIANS.

Let's compare her to Norah Jones. Fair comparison?

Let's give each one a week to come back with a song (they have written ) and perform it solo....live. Solo. No big extravagant production. Just each one, the instrument of their choice and a microphone.

Yeah, there's a reason shes the top selling female recording artist...she's been promo'ed to be that. As an aside, what has sales of records got to do with talent? She's the front person for a very highly organized and fabulously run, marketing machine.

If the dancing is more important than the singing, then let her go on Dancing with the Stars.

My point is, fine....call her a show person...call her what you will...but dont call her a musician or a singer; musicians MAKE music...singers sing...she can't do either.
 
Juke99;4412817 said:
No, I'm comparing her to bands...I'm comparing her to people with talent as MUSICIANS.

Let's compare her to Norah Jones. Fair comparison?

Let's give each one a week to come back with a song (they have written ) and perform it solo....live. Solo. No big extravagant production. Just each one, the instrument of their choice and a microphone.

Yeah, there's a reason shes the top selling female recording artist...she's been promo'ed to be that. As an aside, what has sales of records got to do with talent? She's the front person for a very highly organized and fabulously run, marketing machine.

If the dancing is more important than the singing, then let her go on Dancing with the Stars.

My point is, fine....call her a show person...call her what you will...but dont call her a musician or a singer; musicians MAKE music...singers sing...she can't do either.

I'll call her an artist.. a recording artist.. because that's what she is.

She's won awards for her vocals, for her performance, and for her songwriting.

You obviously don't appriciate her talents.. that doesn't mean they arn't there. You continue to compare her to singers, when its obvious that isn't what her style is about. Singing is only a small part of her appeal. Its mainly about the extravegant performance.. and she was able to put on grand performances in her day.

That's why so many people liked her and why so many bought tickets to see her and why so many bought her albums. She doesn't need your or my approval, she's been a great performer for a long time and she has the sales to back it up. Many, many people wanted and paid to see her perform. There's no greater proof of talent or success than that. There are few more successful artists than i can think of than her.
 
RoyTheHammer;4412828 said:
I'll call her an artist.. a recording artist.. because that's what she is.

She's won awards for her vocals, for her performance, and for her songwriting.

You obviously don't appriciate her talents.. that doesn't mean they arn't there. You continue to compare her to singers, when its obvious that isn't what her style is about. Singing is only a small part of her appeal. Its mainly about the extravegant performance.. and she was able to put on grand performances in her day.

That's why so many people liked her and why so many bought tickets to see her and why so many bought her albums. She doesn't need your or my approval, she's been a great performer for a long time and she has the sales to back it up. Many, many people wanted and paid to see her perform. There's no greater proof of talent or success than that. There are few more successful artists than i can think of than her.


A "recording artist"?????

A recording artist who can't write music...can't play an instrument...and is marginal as a vocalist...

On the one hand you're all about her extravagant performance, on the other, she's a recording artist? Sales don't prove anything about talent.

Question, do you know anything about the art of recording? Are you aware that her vocal tracks were ALL sped up to create a better sound to her voice...and then after that, when vocal processors became available, all her vocals were processed to High Heavens?

Madonna was the beginning of the end of real pop music ...great shows if that's what you're into.

Recording artist? I think not.

Anyway, I know better than to continue these types of discussions. Nice to banter with you. You'll have your opinion, I'll have mine. I'm a musician...published songwriter....and from one who knows the industry, I can comfortably say, she has the musical ability of a gnat.
 
Juke99;4412839 said:
A "recording artist"?????

A recording artist who can't write music...can't play an instrument...and is marginal as a vocalist...

On the one hand you're all about her extravagant performance, on the other, she's a recording artist? Sales don't prove anything about talent.

Question, do you know anything about the art of recording? Are you aware that her vocal tracks were ALL sped up to create a better sound to her voice...and then after that, when vocal processors became available, all her vocals were processed to High Heavens?

Madonna was the beginning of the end of real pop music ...great shows if that's what you're into.

Recording artist? I think not.

Anyway, I know better than to continue these types of discussions. Nice to banter with you. You'll have your opinion, I'll have mine. I'm a musician...published songwriter....and from one who knows the industry, I can comfortably say, she has the musical ability of a gnat.

Yes, she's a recording artist.. that's what she is. Period.

She's proven to be able to write music and play the guitar.. won awards for her songwriting even, as i already said.. so not sure what you're babbling about there.

As for you being a musician, that's great.. but you'll never have the success or the popularity that she has had in her career as an artist. You won't have the millions upon millions of people pay to come out to see your performances or the millions pay to listen to your songs. I can see where you'd be a bit jealous of her success, as a fellow artist, when you think she doesn't have a great voice. And hey, you may be right about that, she may only have a marginal voice.. but again, the singing was only a part of her entire performance.
 
Juke99;4412764 said:
I've seen Tom Petty in concert a half dozen times. he's great.

And imagine that, he can actually write a song...play and instrument...and sing live. Gee.

How are ya?
Doin' alright, Juke. Doin' alright. Thanks.

Yes, Tom Petty is an amazing talent. He is still one of my favorites. Still one of the best hands down. Especially since today's music is filled with egomaniacs who have minimal talent at best.
 
RoyTheHammer;4412683 said:
Guess it just felt alot longer because i hate pop music, lol.
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RoyTheHammer;4412850 said:
Yes, she's a recording artist.. that's what she is. Period.

She's proven to be able to write music and play the guitar.. won awards for her songwriting even, as i already said.. so not sure what you're babbling about there.

As for you being a musician, that's great.. but you'll never have the success or the popularity that she has had in her career as an artist. You won't have the millions upon millions of people pay to come out to see your performances or the millions pay to listen to your songs. I can see where you'd be a bit jealous of her success, as a fellow artist, when you think she doesn't have a great voice. And hey, you may be right about that, she may only have a marginal voice.. but again, the singing was only a part of her entire performance.
The richest people in the music industry aren't singing in front of millions. I like Madonna, but to suggest he'll never have her riches isn't true if you know how the music business works.

Some of the biggest pop songs in the world are written by people you wouldn't even recognize on the streets. I can almost guarantee you that.
 
Juke99;4412817 said:
My point is, fine....call her a show person...call her what you will...but dont call her a musician or a singer; musicians MAKE music...singers sing...she can't do either.

How about calling her a "performer" or "entertainer?"
 
WoodysGirl;4413184 said:
The richest people in the music industry aren't singing in front of millions. I like Madonna, but to suggest he'll never have her riches isn't true if you know how the music business works.

Some of the biggest pop songs in the world are written by people you wouldn't even recognize on the streets. I can almost guarantee you that.

That's cute and all.. but clearly not what i was referring to. I meant what you can measure in dollars and cents. People paying good money to come see you night after night, buying tickets, your album's, your merchandise, etc, etc..

Clearly, she was doing something right, because people flocked to her by the millions and wanted to see her perform.

..and her being the single greatest selling solo act of all time also shows people wanted to hear her music, as well.
 

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