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JOSH HANSON
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What is with all the disciplinary problems? Now Nolan Carroll can be added to the list. What kind of behavior monitoring, if any, do they have in place? It seems every year we have people failing drug tests, getting DWIs, or worse. When is this going to stop? What does the team do about it?



Bryan: You try and treat these players like adults. I don’t know what they can do any different? The organization provides assistance for addictions, ride home after nights on the town and they’ve had staff living with players. You can’t hold these players’ hands 24/7 – at some point these players have to grow up, but to put blame on this organization is completely out of bounds.

David: Obviously, it’s a bad look for the Cowboys when something like Carroll’s arrest happens, given how much this team harps on having the “right kind of guys.” But honestly, as frustrating as it is, I’m not sure what the Cowboys are supposed to do in a situation like that – unless you think it’s realistic to have someone shadow every player during every hour of every day. Plenty of people have suggested cutting Carroll to set an example, and I think that’s an overly simplistic way to look at things. This is a professional football team full of grown men – not the local high school squad. Carroll is guaranteed roughly 30 percent of his contract, regardless of whether or not you cut him. And if he is cut, he’s still likely to find employment somewhere else, because he’s talented. So I don’t think you gain anything by releasing him, other than potentially losing the respect of the locker room. Like I said, it’s a frustrating situation. But I think at some point you have to hold adults accountable for their actions and let them deal with the consequences.
 

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JOSH HANSON
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What is with all the disciplinary problems? Now Nolan Carroll can be added to the list. What kind of behavior monitoring, if any, do they have in place? It seems every year we have people failing drug tests, getting DWIs, or worse. When is this going to stop? What does the team do about it?



Bryan: You try and treat these players like adults. I don’t know what they can do any different? The organization provides assistance for addictions, ride home after nights on the town and they’ve had staff living with players. You can’t hold these players’ hands 24/7 – at some point these players have to grow up, but to put blame on this organization is completely out of bounds.

David: Obviously, it’s a bad look for the Cowboys when something like Carroll’s arrest happens, given how much this team harps on having the “right kind of guys.” But honestly, as frustrating as it is, I’m not sure what the Cowboys are supposed to do in a situation like that – unless you think it’s realistic to have someone shadow every player during every hour of every day. Plenty of people have suggested cutting Carroll to set an example, and I think that’s an overly simplistic way to look at things. This is a professional football team full of grown men – not the local high school squad. Carroll is guaranteed roughly 30 percent of his contract, regardless of whether or not you cut him. And if he is cut, he’s still likely to find employment somewhere else, because he’s talented. So I don’t think you gain anything by releasing him, other than potentially losing the respect of the locker room. Like I said, it’s a frustrating situation. But I think at some point you have to hold adults accountable for their actions and let them deal with the consequences.

The interesting thing is that the players partied like rock starts when Jimmy was the Head Coach but rarely got into trouble (got caught). As soon as he was gone they starting getting in trouble at a record pace.

It does seem that being "scared" of the Head Coach has some significance.

It does not always work (see Belichick and the now dead TE Aaron Hernandez), but in general there seems to be some correlation.

I'm still disappointed that Garrett could not handle Greg Hardy. Marinelli loved Hardy and wanted him to return but Hardy was the Charles Haley type that needed a kick in the arse

People say that Hardy was a fail, but his on-field play was actually really good (confirmed by Marinelli in an interview).
 

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There has to be a real leadership aspect that involves respecting the real repercussions...and not just a sense of good feelings when contributing. There have to be real boundaries that bite.
 

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The Cowboys under the ownership of the Jones's have a history of treating players that have problems with compassion. It is this human aspect that is understood by the Jones's that we all have in common. We all have times of not meeting expectations, all of us. It is through this process of earning redemption that we become better people. The Jones's seem to understand this and will not simple cast aside a player that is otherwise an asset but that doesn't mean they haven't had their share of failures in this endeavor... T.O., Hardy, Randle and many more.
 

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I understand and appreciate the human side of Jerry Jones. He is successful as well.

As to this incident, it really was unfortunate. A new player was given a welcome party by Cowboy players. I'm sure, that Carroll was not a hard core drinker, and why he was a victim, this time.
 

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I think it's too soon to lump Nolan Carroll into the Greg Hardy-Joe Randle-Rolando McClain category. This could be just a singular stupid incident.

Dak had a DUI the month before last year's draft and owned up to it. How's he turning out for this team?
 

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The interesting thing is that the players partied like rock starts when Jimmy was the Head Coach but rarely got into trouble (got caught). As soon as he was gone they starting getting in trouble at a record pace.

It does seem that being "scared" of the Head Coach has some significance.

It does not always work (see Belichick and the now dead TE Aaron Hernandez), but in general there seems to be some correlation.

I'm still disappointed that Garrett could not handle Greg Hardy. Marinelli loved Hardy and wanted him to return but Hardy was the Charles Haley type that needed a kick in the arse

People say that Hardy was a fail, but his on-field play was actually really good (confirmed by Marinelli in an interview).

His play fell off a cliff toward the end of the season, probably from booze or drugs. He was single blocked by a 6th rounder or UDFA in one game towards the later part of the season.
 

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I think it's too soon to lump Nolan Carroll into the Greg Hardy-Joe Randle-Rolando McClain category. This could be just a singular stupid incident.

Dak had a DUI the month before last year's draft and owned up to it. How's he turning out for this team?

lol, I hate the generalized shoveling of stereotypes...
 

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His play fell off a cliff toward the end of the season, probably from booze or drugs. He was single blocked by a 6th rounder or UDFA in one game towards the later part of the season.

Plus, Hardy's play wasn't the big problem. The problem was he split the locker room into guys that supported him and guys that wanted to distance themselves from him. I know every player on every team isn't universally liked by everybody, but the negative media storm around Hardy exacerbated the situation.
 

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I think it's too soon to lump Nolan Carroll into the Greg Hardy-Joe Randle-Rolando McClain category. This could be just a singular stupid incident.

Dak had a DUI the month before last year's draft and owned up to it. How's he turning out for this team?

I tend to give people the benefit if the doubt usually, because people make mistakes but Dak was a college kid. Young men are stupid. Nolan Carroll is a 30 year old man with access to free taxi service.

I'd be tempted to cut him just because he's mildly expendable, but mainly as an example to all the youth on this team right now.
 

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I tend to give people the benefit if the doubt usually, because people make mistakes but Dak was a college kid. Young men are stupid. Nolan Carroll is a 30 year old man with access to free taxi service.

I'd be tempted to cut him just because he's mildly expendable, but mainly as an example to all the youth on this team right now.

Excellent points. This team would be just fine starting Anthony Brown and Chidobe Awuzie and keeping Scandrick in the slot. Carroll was signed as a veteran stopgap. Now he can be used as an example against stupid decisions.
 

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Excellent points. This team would be just fine starting Anthony Brown and Chidobe Awuzie and keeping Scandrick in the slot. Carroll was signed as a veteran stopgap. Now he can be used as an example against stupid decisions.

For sure, if at first you do not succeed, cut your throat and let it bleed...you'll be better off in the end?
 

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I tend to give people the benefit if the doubt usually, because people make mistakes but Dak was a college kid. Young men are stupid. Nolan Carroll is a 30 year old man with access to free taxi service.

I'd be tempted to cut him just because he's mildly expendable, but mainly as an example to all the youth on this team right now.

Example to the youth that aren't starters or a big part of the team (as of now). Guys not named Dak, Zeke, or OL pro bowlers, etc. Those guys won't be cut as an example.
 

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Example to the youth that aren't starters or a big part of the team (as of now). Guys not named Dak, Zeke, or OL pro bowlers, etc. Those guys won't be cut as an example.

p.s.-inform the team not to throw parties for newly arrived players...at bars.
 

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The interesting thing is that the players partied like rock starts when Jimmy was the Head Coach but rarely got into trouble (got caught). As soon as he was gone they starting getting in trouble at a record pace.

It does seem that being "scared" of the Head Coach has some significance.

It does not always work (see Belichick and the now dead TE Aaron Hernandez), but in general there seems to be some correlation.

I'm still disappointed that Garrett could not handle Greg Hardy. Marinelli loved Hardy and wanted him to return but Hardy was the Charles Haley type that needed a kick in the arse

People say that Hardy was a fail, but his on-field play was actually really good (confirmed by Marinelli in an interview).



Would you be scared of someone who looks/acts goofy as this?

jason-garrett-wiffs-on-3-straight-high-fives.gif
 

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Would you be scared of someone who looks/acts goofy as this?

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Jerry should hire Larry Allen to stand next to Garrett at all times.

When players get in trouble they would be required to meet with LA in a soundproof room. There would be an ambulance nearby for those that don't have the right answers.
 

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Jerry should hire Larry Allen to stand next to Garrett at all times.

When players get in trouble they would be required to meet with LA in a soundproof room. There would be an ambulance nearby for those that don't have the right answers.

Line all offenders up in a boxing ring, with blindfolds, and a single hand with a boxing glove...the other taped soundly to the body. When the bell rings, last man standing gets a talk with Larry, Manster, and Jason Garrett.
 

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The interesting thing is that the players partied like rock starts when Jimmy was the Head Coach but rarely got into trouble (got caught). As soon as he was gone they starting getting in trouble at a record pace.

It does seem that being "scared" of the Head Coach has some significance.

It does not always work (see Belichick and the now dead TE Aaron Hernandez), but in general there seems to be some correlation.

I'm still disappointed that Garrett could not handle Greg Hardy. Marinelli loved Hardy and wanted him to return but Hardy was the Charles Haley type that needed a kick in the arse

People say that Hardy was a fail, but his on-field play was actually really good (confirmed by Marinelli in an interview).
Not true. It's just a different day and age with the free flow of information.

The cocaine Cowboys of yesteryear wouldn't survive today.
 

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The interesting thing is that the players partied like rock starts when Jimmy was the Head Coach but rarely got into trouble (got caught). As soon as he was gone they starting getting in trouble at a record pace.

It does seem that being "scared" of the Head Coach has some significance.

It does not always work (see Belichick and the now dead TE Aaron Hernandez), but in general there seems to be some correlation.

I'm still disappointed that Garrett could not handle Greg Hardy. Marinelli loved Hardy and wanted him to return but Hardy was the Charles Haley type that needed a kick in the arse

People say that Hardy was a fail, but his on-field play was actually really good (confirmed by Marinelli in an interview).
they had a party house right next to valley ranch with escort and stripper drug parties.
 

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The interesting thing is that the players partied like rock starts when Jimmy was the Head Coach but rarely got into trouble (got caught). As soon as he was gone they starting getting in trouble at a record pace.

It does seem that being "scared" of the Head Coach has some significance.

It does not always work (see Belichick and the now dead TE Aaron Hernandez), but in general there seems to be some correlation.

I'm still disappointed that Garrett could not handle Greg Hardy. Marinelli loved Hardy and wanted him to return but Hardy was the Charles Haley type that needed a kick in the arse

People say that Hardy was a fail, but his on-field play was actually really good (confirmed by Marinelli in an interview).

No coach in the league wants to handle Hardy. He's a guy with a cocaine habit and erratic behavior.

As far as your Jimmy Johnson comment? Yeah you make a point BUT....by the time Jimmy left, the team was living the "Hollywood life". Gone was the young, hungry team looking to make their mark. The team became larger than life. They thought they were invincible...they were rock stars that just made a bot load of money.

Would Jimmy be able to handle a group of rich, entitled, superstar veterans as well as he handled a collection of guys fighting for relevancy fresh out of college? We will never know.
 
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