Make A Case for Cooper

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Please, somebody educate me on him. As of right now, I'm not very high on him, but that's pretty much because I don't know much about him.

So supposin' we do take an offensive lineman in the first, I'm in favor of Jones out of Bama. He could slip to the second, allowing us to pick Vaccaro, and I'd rather take a guy, whos shown versatility,toughness and the ability to match up against SEC competition.

So that's my feelings on offensive line drafting, someone please give one for Cooper because I'm eager to know why you're all so high on him.
 
How do we know Barrett Jones wasn't simply surrounded by a dominant OL consisting of Chance Warmack and DJ Fluker?

Cooper fits Callahan's zone-blocking scheme perfectly.
 
go watch some cowboys games..youll be sold on anybody who plays OL
 
Cooper is good, but he tested better than he produced. He went from a top 30 pick before the combine to a potential top 15 pick after. I am wary of those kind of players.

Not because I do not think Cooper is a good player and can improve the OL unit, but because I think he will be over drafted based on the underwear Olympics.

Cooper does have added value because of his potential to also play center. I value this position flexibility over things like his bench press.
 
TheSport78;5050935 said:
Cooper fits Callahan's zone-blocking scheme perfectly.

Yet, Garrett doesn't run a zone block scheme. I like Cooper, but he looks to be more of a Center than a Guard to me.
 
CyberB0b;5051015 said:
Yet, Garrett doesn't run a zone block scheme. I like Cooper, but he looks to be more of a Center than a Guard to me.

But Bill Callahan, and offensive line coach and possibly the play-caller does run a zone-blocking scheme.

Cooper a center? I think he could slide over and play center, but have you seen this guy pull? He's one of the most athletic linemen I've seen in a while.
 
TheSport78;5051025 said:
But Bill Callahan, and offensive line coach and possibly the play-caller does run a zone-blocking scheme.

Cooper a center? I think he could slide over and play center, but have you seen this guy pull? He's one of the most athletic linemen I've seen in a while.

What are you talking about? Garrett and Callahan have the same offensive line
 
FiveRings;5051064 said:
What are you talking about? Garrett and Callahan have the same offensive line

I really don't know what you're talking about. Read the stuff above.
 
FiveRings;5050913 said:
Please, somebody educate me on him. As of right now, I'm not very high on him, but that's pretty much because I don't know much about him.

So supposin' we do take an offensive lineman in the first, I'm in favor of Jones out of Bama. He could slip to the second, allowing us to pick Vaccaro, and I'd rather take a guy, whos shown versatility,toughness and the ability to match up against SEC competition.

So that's my feelings on offensive line drafting, someone please give one for Cooper because I'm eager to know why you're all so high on him.
I've been studying the draft since the 1st college game of 2012 and spent a staggering amount of time watching college players with my primary emphasis on the OLine and DLine.

It's difficult to boil all of that down to a few sentences on a message board and really capture the essence of why I have Jonathan Cooper rated as the top Interior OLineman for the Cowboys and one of the best players in this draft.

The modern NFL is a pass-happy league. The best OLinemen for pass-protection usually have quick feet. Big, powerful but slow footed OLinemen are less of an asset in the modern NFL than they were in the past.

The Cowboys OLine coach (Callahan) and new assistant OLine coach are both known to prefer the Zone Blocking Scheme. The Cowboys started trying to use some Zone Running plays before Callahan was hired. Jerry made a statement back in 2011 that they had to "push" Houck to implement some different techniques (the translation was that Garrett wanted to run more Zone type plays but Houck was more comfortable in his man-blocking based scheme). The Cowboys did run some Zone stuff in the nineties; however, it was different than a true ZBS that Callahan runs.

The ideal OLinemen for the Zone Blocking Scheme are very quick. They must have a certain about of anchor strength and obviously more is better; however, coaches/teams can sacrifice some size/strength in favor of quickness.

When you combine the facts that quick OLinemen are highly valuable in both the modern pass-happy NFL and in the Zone Blocking Scheme that the Cowboys are trying to implement, then you can conclude that quickness is at the top of the Cowboys list when drafting OLinemen.

There are some OLinemen that have excellent quickness; however, if they don't have the anchor strength required, then they are useless. The Cowboys drafted David Arkin in the 4th round of the 2011 draft in large part because he played with very good quickness. Unfortunately, he just has not been able to gain the anchor strength required to play in the NFL.

OK, having said all of the above, now we're at the point of looking for OLinemen in the 2013 draft. We're looking for OLinemen that have the best combination of quickness and anchor strength. There will be some players like Arkin that have the required quickness but lack anchor strength. There will be other players that are similar to Leonard Davis in his final year with the Cowboys. He had plenty of anchor strength but no longer had the quickness required in pass-protection and definitely would not have had the quickness required in the ZBS.

Two examples of Guards on each end of the power/quickness spectrum are Chance Warmack and Justin Pugh. Draft analysts describe Warmack as super strong/powerful and they describe Pugh has having the quickest feet of any Interior player in this draft. There may be some exaggeration on both, but for now we'll assume that the assessments are accurate. The problem is that Warmack has questionable foot speed while Pugh has questionable power/anchor strength.

If only we could find the perfect blend of power and quickness. Presto, we have Jonathan Cooper. When comparing foot speed Cooper is a Racehorse and Warmack is a plow-horse. When comparing power Cooper is still a Horse compared to Pugh being a Greyhound.

Summary: Cooper has the power of a really good NFL Guard and the feet of a Left Tackle. He is perfect in Callahan's Zone Blocking Scheme. If that's not enough, many analysts believe that he can also player Center.
 
CyberB0b;5051015 said:
Yet, Garrett doesn't run a zone block scheme. I like Cooper, but he looks to be more of a Center than a Guard to me.
Why do you think Garrett hired an OL coach and assistant OL coach that are both experts in the Zone Blocking Scheme?

Did you want Garrett to run the ZBS in the past when his OL coach was most comfortable with a man-blocking scheme?
 
xwalker;5051099 said:
I've been studying the draft since the 1st college game of 2012 and spent a staggering amount of time watching college players with my primary emphasis on the OLine and DLine.

It's difficult to boil all of that down to a few sentences on a message board and really capture the essence of why I have Jonathan Cooper rated as the top Interior OLineman for the Cowboys and one of the best players in this draft.

The modern NFL is a pass-happy league. The best OLinemen for pass-protection usually have quick feet. Big, powerful but slow footed OLinemen are less of an asset in the modern NFL than they were in the past.

The Cowboys OLine coach (Callahan) and new assistant OLine coach are both known to prefer the Zone Blocking Scheme. The Cowboys started trying to use some Zone Running plays before Callahan was hired. Jerry made a statement back in 2011 that they had to "push" Houck to implement some different techniques (the translation was that Garrett wanted to run more Zone type plays but Houck was more comfortable in his man-blocking based scheme). The Cowboys did run some Zone stuff in the nineties; however, it was different than a true ZBS that Callahan runs.

The ideal OLinemen for the Zone Blocking Scheme are very quick. They must have a certain about of anchor strength and obviously more is better; however, coaches/teams can sacrifice some size/strength in favor of quickness.

When you combine the facts that quick OLinemen are highly valuable in both the modern pass-happy NFL and in the Zone Blocking Scheme that the Cowboys are trying to implement, then you can conclude that quickness is at the top of the Cowboys list when drafting OLinemen.

There are some OLinemen that have excellent quickness; however, if they don't have the anchor strength required, then they are useless. The Cowboys drafted David Arkin in the 4th round of the 2011 draft in large part because he played with very good quickness. Unfortunately, he just has not been able to gain the anchor strength required to play in the NFL.

OK, having said all of the above, now we're at the point of looking for OLinemen in the 2013 draft. We're looking for OLinemen that have the best combination of quickness and anchor strength. There will be some players like Arkin that have the required quickness but lack anchor strength. There will be other players that are similar to Leonard Davis in his final year with the Cowboys. He had plenty of anchor strength but no longer had the quickness required in pass-protection and definitely would not have had the quickness required in the ZBS.

Two examples of Guards on each end of the power/quickness spectrum are Chance Warmack and Justin Pugh. Draft analysts describe Warmack as super strong/powerful and they describe Pugh has having the quickest feet of any Interior player in this draft. There may be some exaggeration on both, but for now we'll assume that the assessments are accurate. The problem is that Warmack has questionable foot speed while Pugh has questionable power/anchor strength.

If only we could find the perfect blend of power and quickness. Presto, we have Jonathan Cooper. When comparing foot speed Cooper is a Racehorse and Warmack is a plow-horse. When comparing power Cooper is still a Horse compared to Pugh being a Greyhound.

Summary: Cooper has the power of a really good NFL Guard and the feet of a Left Tackle. He is perfect in Callahan's Zone Blocking Scheme. If that's not enough, many analysts believe that he can also player Center.

That's a really impressive and in depth breakdown. Props man, the only thing that I'm weary about is these impressive Alabama O-Lineman played against SEC defenses, while Cooper played against ACC competition.

So that being said, I'd still take Vaccaro in the first and Barret early in the second (I imagine a trade down would have to be made unless Jones REALLY dropped) than Cooper.

And my final question, is how can you all be so sure that the Cowboys run a zone blocking system? All the background on the personnel in the world still isn't going to tell you what system they're working on at camp or the plays they call on Sunday.
 
xwalker;5051111 said:
Why do you think Garrett hired an OL coach and assistant OL coach that are both experts in the Zone Blocking Scheme?

Did you want Garrett to run the ZBS in the past when his OL coach was most comfortable with a man-blocking scheme?

How many zone blocking plays did we run a game last year? I seem to recall about 2-3 a game, if that. We are not a zone blocking team. Period.
 
He is the best OG in the country. He was All-ACC, All-American and an Outland Trophy Finalist. No other OG can claim that. He has started for three years and missed 3 games all in the first.

Last year he was clearly the best player on a line that averaged 194 ypg on the ground

He played in both a zone and man scheme. He practiced at center and played one game at center early in his career.

You can watch him play and see him execute stretch plays, inside traps and pulls, pull to the outside on screens and tosses. You can watch him engage DT and peel to the LBers and all of the finesse plays you could want.

You can watch him iso on DT and drive block them or jump off the line nad plow LB or other straight ahead man blocking.

In pass protection he sets down nice, has a good sense of peripheral vision and spacing in setting up the wall.

I have two issues against him. First is that he can struggle to use his hands when guys are moving laterally across the face of him. Think stunts and slants into gaps. Second, I never watched him beat up on quality DT although he did perform well at the senior bowl against them. It wasn't that he couldn't; he just did not have them on the schedule.

From his interview you can see that he is a bit cocky but not over the top. He appears thoughtful, articulate and well-spoken. Smiles and laughs a bit.

As for his measurables, he had one score that was average, 27" vert, but the rest of his scores were good to excellent. His spend and agility scores for a man his size are phenomenal and then of course he puts up 35 on the bench press.

How he fits with the Cowboys is he would step in day 1 as the LG or RG and help both the power run (re:red zone) and perimeter run game. He needs technique work to be a great pass protector but he is already good at it and strong setting up.

He has a very high ceiling and floor.
 
CyberB0b;5051264 said:
How many zone blocking plays did we run a game last year? I seem to recall about 2-3 a game, if that. We are not a zone blocking team. Period.

I don't know. You tell me, coach.
 
CyberB0b;5051264 said:
How many zone blocking plays did we run a game last year? I seem to recall about 2-3 a game, if that. We are not a zone blocking team. Period.

We hardly ran the ball especially in the second half. We run quite a few draws but Smith and Livings ran the stretch left quite often. Last year is not a good idea of what they are trying to do. I look to the Jets back in 2010 as to what we would like to accomplish.
 
Cooper is pretty much the one guy that we can realistically get who has the ability to be elite.

He looks like Tyron Smith out there--with how easily he moves.
 
TheSport78;5051269 said:
I don't know. You tell me, coach.

I don't have access to the all 22, but I would be very surprised if we ran more than 2 stretch plays a game. There is a drastic difference in what we ran last year versus a team like Houston. My wife could tell the difference.

FuzzyLumpkins;5051273 said:
We hardly ran the ball especially in the second half. We run quite a few draws but Smith and Livings ran the stretch left quite often. Last year is not a good idea of what they are trying to do. I look to the Jets back in 2010 as to what we would like to accomplish.

Yeah, we had an all time low in rushing. Hardly a staple of the ZBS.


Also, Garrett's scheme is based on down the field principles, not West Coast. Callahan is more of a West Coast guy. To suggest that we are switching Garrett's fundamental playbook is asinine. He has been the OC since 2007. That is 5+ years of evidence that things aren't changing.
 
Gaede;5051279 said:
Cooper is pretty much the one guy that we can realistically get who has the ability to be elite.

He looks like Tyron Smith out there--with how easily he moves.

The way it's going he will unlikely be available at 18. Especially if he goes before Chance.
 

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