Manny Or Floyd?

[Risen Star]

Floyd would beat him in rather easy fashion.

 

[BigWillie]

That is what I just said. When I said day of the fight, I was talking about before the fight takes place, not after.

No, you pretty clearly said "he didn't want to risk giving blood on the day of the fight."

As I stated, that is incorrect. Manny has agreed, numerous times, to a blood draw directly after the fight. Blood draws after the fight are usually routine, and normal.

You would have been more correct in saying, "Manny doesn't want a blood draw on fight day, before he fights .." To say he just simply doesn't want a blood draw on fight day is highly misleading in the way you said, and simply incorrect.

 

[DOUBLE WING]

Floyd. Manny and Bob Arum know this, which is why they're ducking the fight.

 

[revospeed]

I imagine if the fight were to take place it would look a lot like Hatton-Mayweather. Mayweather is way to slick for Manny. I don't think Manny would get his hands on Mayweather all night. Easy UD or late KO/TKO for Mayweather.

 

[Future]

Floyd would beat him in rather easy fashion.

:laugh2: Your avatar and the way you say everything so matter-of-fact just cracks me up.

 

[Risen Star]

:laugh2: Your avatar and the way you say everything so matter-of-fact just cracks me up.

~tapping my eye with a knife~

Now leave me be. I paid you fair.

 

[JonJon]

No, you pretty clearly said "he didn't want to risk giving blood on the day of the fight."

As I stated, that is incorrect. Manny has agreed, numerous times, to a blood draw directly after the fight. Blood draws after the fight are usually routine, and normal.

You would have been more correct in saying, "Manny doesn't want a blood draw on fight day, before he fights .." To say he just simply doesn't want a blood draw on fight day is highly misleading in the way you said, and simply incorrect.

Again, you are not understanding what I am talking about.

 

[BigWillie]

No, I pretty clearly understand what you said. Now maybe what you said and what you meant are two different things, but there is no loss in translation of what you originally said.

Black and white.

But oh well.

 

[JBS]

Floyd didnt want to take the test???

hahahaha...C&LF, game over.../thread

go back to basketball

 

[Cowboys&LakersFan]

Floyd didnt want to take the test???

hahahaha...C&LF, game over.../thread

go back to basketball

Alright fine I'll admit I was wrong I thought Floyd didn't want to take the test, but I just read some articles that say it was the other around way around.

 

[JonJon]

No, I pretty clearly understand what you said. Now maybe what you said and what you meant are two different things, but there is no loss in translation of what you originally said.

Black and white.

But oh well.

I don't know why you would assume I was talking about testing after the fight, as there would be no concern in his energy being drained after the fight rather than before. But like you said, oh well. No need in bickering over the meaning of words or whatever. Back to talking about what really counts; Mayweather beating Paquiao if and when the face each other.

 

[Chocolate Lab]

So I guess Manny looked that bad in his last fight. I remember a couple of years ago, most people thought Manny would beat Floyd, maybe even pretty easily. Bert Sugar, who has seen more fights than probably all of us put together, said Floyd refused to fight Manny because he knew he'd lose and then he couldn't make his greatest claim, that he was undefeated.

 

[NeonNinja]

So I guess Manny looked that bad in his last fight. I remember a couple of years ago, most people thought Manny would beat Floyd, maybe even pretty easily. Bert Sugar, who has seen more fights than probably all of us put together, said Floyd refused to fight Manny because he knew he'd lose and then he couldn't make his greatest claim, that he was undefeated.

Exactly.

 

[JonJon]

So I guess Manny looked that bad in his last fight. I remember a couple of years ago, most people thought Manny would beat Floyd, maybe even pretty easily. Bert Sugar, who has seen more fights than probably all of us put together, said Floyd refused to fight Manny because he knew he'd lose and then he couldn't make his greatest claim, that he was undefeated.

Yeah it wasn't even close, and I was rooting for Pacquiao, probably giving him more rounds than what he actually deserved. I still had him losing by 4 rounds.

 

[BigWillie]

I don't know why you would assume I was talking about testing after the fight, as there would be no concern in his energy being drained after the fight rather than before.

:bang2:

At this point, I'm not even sure if you understand yourself what you said, or if you just don't want to admit you were incorrect in your statement.

Manny HAS agreed to as many random blood and urine draws as the independent commission deems necessary in the months leading up to the fight.

Manny has agreed to day of testing. Manny doesn't want testing in the final week due to weight cutting, for fear of the health effects it WITHOUT QUESTION DOES have on a dehydrated individual.

Even making this a big deal is silly, as the testing done for the Mayweather-Mosley fight, which was specially enforced, had no blood testing done for the final 2-3 weeks for the fight. Having an avenue that big, with a KNOWN PED user such as Mosley, should be an issue.

But having a week for Manny, someone who has never tested positive for anything, is an issue?

Taking a blood draw after the fight, as compared to before the fight will not result in any difference in the outcome of blood results either. Blood testing, in regards to how WADA does it, tests more for blood doping rather than PEDs to begin with.

For a fighter to have benefit from blood doping, he would need to have higher amounts in his system on fight day, which would show up in the blood tests regardless of before of after a fight. Thus why testing is done after a fight, as the only thing that taking blood before a fight can/will do is annoy and potentially affect a fighter.

So I guess Manny looked that bad in his last fight. I remember a couple of years ago, most people thought Manny would beat Floyd, maybe even pretty easily.

Looking at that fight as a picture into Manny would be as silly as looking into the Castillo fight, or the ODLH fight to judge Floyd.

In the first Castillo fight, quite a few people will argue that Castillo was undoubtedly robbed of a decision victory over Floyd. The fight was infact close, and Floyd eeked out a close SD victory. Floyd did come back and dominate the 2nd fight with Castillo.

In Floyd's fight with ODLH, an aging De la Hoya was actually ripping Mayweather with his jab and winning quite a few of the early rounds. In the later rounds Oscar abandoned his jab that was working so well, allowing Floyd to win most of the later rounds and squeezing out a close decision.

To this day, I still believe if Oscar had not abandoned his jab he would have easily won that fight against Floyd and pulled off the upset.

But those fights do not judge Floyd's overall status as a fighter, just as Manny's fight with JMM should not determine his status as a fighter. Nights happen where things don't work, or simply do not click.

 

[Risen Star]

The only thing I question with Mayweather is would his mind be right to train for this fight? I don't think he can just walk in and beat Manny on reputation.

But a prepared Mayweather would put on a clinic and win a rather boring unanimous decision, IMO.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Styles make fights. Though I consider Manny the best fighter in the world and I'd love to see him lay a beat down on Floyd, I see a rather one sided affair that goes to Floyd. Just a bad match up for Manny. Think Eagles O versus current Cowboy D.

I think this is probably right.



But, in the off chance that:

- Mayweather gets old all in one night or
- maybe Marquez just has his number

Pac has a chance.





But, Mayweather may win lopsided decision.


Marquez was able to counter Pacman easily and Marquez is slow. Mayweather is fast.

 

[JonJon]

I think this is probably right.



But, in the off chance that:

- Mayweather gets old all in one night or
- maybe Marquez just has his number

Pac has a chance.





But, Mayweather may win lopsided decision.


Marquez was able to counter Pacman easily and Marquez is slow. Mayweather is fast.

Pretty much how I see it. Paquiao still has a great punchers chance if he is able to catch Floyd and pounce on him, but chances are more likely that Mayweather, who is a much better, faster, and stronger counter puncher than Marquez is, will dominate Paquiao throughout the fight. Still, I can't wait to see this fight and hopes that it happens.

 

[JonJon]

:bang2:

At this point, I'm not even sure if you understand yourself what you said, or if you just don't want to admit you were incorrect in your statement.

Manny HAS agreed to as many random blood and urine draws as the independent commission deems necessary in the months leading up to the fight.

Manny has agreed to day of testing. Manny doesn't want testing in the final week due to weight cutting, for fear of the health effects it WITHOUT QUESTION DOES have on a dehydrated individual.

Even making this a big deal is silly, as the testing done for the Mayweather-Mosley fight, which was specially enforced, had no blood testing done for the final 2-3 weeks for the fight. Having an avenue that big, with a KNOWN PED user such as Mosley, should be an issue.

But having a week for Manny, someone who has never tested positive for anything, is an issue?

Taking a blood draw after the fight, as compared to before the fight will not result in any difference in the outcome of blood results either. Blood testing, in regards to how WADA does it, tests more for blood doping rather than PEDs to begin with.

For a fighter to have benefit from blood doping, he would need to have higher amounts in his system on fight day, which would show up in the blood tests regardless of before of after a fight. Thus why testing is done after a fight, as the only thing that taking blood before a fight can/will do is annoy and potentially affect a fighter.

LOL, dude...you are arguing a point that I wasn't even talking about... I already said I wasn't talking about blood testing after the fight, so why are you ranting on about it? Are you just in need of someone to argue with?

And there's nothing to admit about being incorrect. I knew what I was talking about...unfortunately, you didn't. Even after re-affirming what I was talking about, you still choose to ignore that and go with your interpretation of what you think I said, which is STILL incorrect.

If you want to continue to blab on about something that I wasn't even talking about, then feel free to do so. Just don't be shocked if I don't care to read it or respond.