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This isn't a troll thread, this is just for clarification cause I've asked in other posts on the topics of Marinelli/DC and it hasn't been answered.

Why does everyone have the approval and want Marinelli? He's a product of kiffin's scheme isn't he? Won't we still be running the 4-3 Tampa 2 with him even without kiffin or is there something I'm missing?

Happy New Years btw!
 
I'm not a fan of Marinelli as DC, but I think he is better than Kiffin and understands game situations and how to make the correct changes and adjustments.

We're going to stay in the Tampa 2 no matter kiffin, marinelli, or someone else. Jerry already said that do get used to it.

If I had to bring in someone to run the Tampa 2 I would get Frazier and keep Marinelli at DL.
 
supercowboy8 said:
I'm not a fan of Marinelli as DC, but I think he is better than Kiffin and understands game situations and how to make the correct changes and adjustments.

We're going to stay in the Tampa 2 no matter kiffin, marinelli, or someone else. Jerry already said that do get used to it.

If I had to bring in someone to run the Tampa 2 I would get Frazier and keep Marinelli at DL.
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that is kinda where I am at...bring in a guy like frazier and if marinelli doesn't like not being the DC, then shake his hand and thank him for his service...must get out of the antiquated/1990's style of play...I like marinelli and wish him well, but we need some new blood in here...marinelli was only here for a year, sure, but he is employing old tactics...it worked with the DL for a while, I am not sure of that would work with an entire defensive unit
 
I think Dallas would be wise to keep in the fold... He's a guru at coaching defensive lines. Give him 2 or 3 draft picks on the defensive line along with getting Crawford back and you will see a huge difference in production, just my opinion.
 
supercowboy8 said:
I'm not a fan of Marinelli as DC, but I think he is better than Kiffin and understands game situations and how to make the correct changes and adjustments.

We're going to stay in the Tampa 2 no matter kiffin, marinelli, or someone else. Jerry already said that do get used to it.

If I had to bring in someone to run the Tampa 2 I would get Frazier and keep Marinelli at DL.
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This
I would rather get Frazier or someone from SF or Seattle defensive staff

I am hoping marinelli leaves with lovie and that forces us to make a change
 
... because before coming to Dallas he presided over the Bears' version of this D and it was one of the most dominant defenses in football with him as coordinator.

What kept platooning the Bears' hopes was a poor offensive line and uneven quarterback play. But their defense was about as good as there was in the league under Marinelli. Same scheme, but much greater success than Kiffin had with it here.

I think Marinelli would be a fine choice for the job.
 
PoetTree said:
... because before coming to Dallas he presided over the Bears' version of this D and it was one of the most dominant defenses in football with him as coordinator.

What kept platooning the Bears' hopes was a poor offensive line and uneven quarterback play. But their defense was about as good as there was in the league under Marinelli. Same scheme, but much greater success than Kiffin had with it here.

I think Marinelli would be a fine choice for the job.
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Me too. The question is whether he would do it if Kiffin gets fired? I understand that he and Kiffin are good friends.
 
I keep hearing Kiffin runs the Tampa 2. Well there are several that do. They all just run modern variations of it as a BASE defense. Like all defenses in the NFL they are constantly running in personnel for different packages. Kiffin said he was going to run something along the lines of Seattle's defense. You should look at Seattle's D and see what they are doing. They utilize pass protection indecision based on versatile players pressuring from multiple fronts with multiple personnel. They also mix up their gap control. Their DBs and LBs can do what I've been asking for the last two seasons. They can cover, play in the box, tackle, and rush. They have three guys who can play the joker. They have a mix of 4-3 and 3-4 players who work well in a multiple scheme defense. They have some DL who can rush the passer, play one or two gap control, shoot the gaps, and shoot and hold.

This is what I look forward to from Kiffin et al. And they have proven to me and the rest of the league as well as a few fans they get maximum effort from their players. They will pickup a few players and get some healthy players back and do a good job.
 
Supercowboy1986 said:
This isn't a troll thread, this is just for clarification cause I've asked in other posts on the topics of Marinelli/DC and it hasn't been answered.

Why does everyone have the approval and want Marinelli? He's a product of kiffin's scheme isn't he? Won't we still be running the 4-3 Tampa 2 with him even without kiffin or is there something I'm missing?

Happy New Years btw!
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I've made my point: Nothing will help this defense except younger talented reliable players. Injury, age and lack of talent have hindered this defense for too long and it's time for Jerry and his band of Incompetents to do something about it.
 
Marinelli ran Chicago's defense for several years and I could be mistaken but I don't believe there were any signs of his defense there being totally clueless at times. Kiffin has apparently aged to a point where he is not sharp and alert enough to keep pace during an NFL game. You all know that in today's , even yesterday's NFL, you have to be quick and intuitive to adjust to your opponents strategies.
They never should have fired Ryan but that's a moot point. Right now they should explore all options available and if Marinelli is their choice at the end of that process, the Cowboy's defense would be far more acclimated to today's NFL than Kiffin's was. Just my personal opinion.
 
visionary said:
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I would rather get Frazier or someone from SF or Seattle defensive staff

I am hoping marinelli leaves with lovie and that forces us to make a change
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Tell us who from SF or Seattle and why. Tell us why Frazier is so special. and how they will be better...to many people just spuuu garbage online after they watched a 2min highlight reel form ESPN......LOL
 
Supercowboy1986 said:
This isn't a troll thread, this is just for clarification cause I've asked in other posts on the topics of Marinelli/DC and it hasn't been answered.

Why does everyone have the approval and want Marinelli? He's a product of kiffin's scheme isn't he? Won't we still be running the 4-3 Tampa 2 with him even without kiffin or is there something I'm missing?

Happy New Years btw!
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That a reasonable question.

Primarily because he has had recent success and Kiffin has not. Marinelli was the DC in Chicago in 2012 and they had one of the top defenses in the league.

I don't seem that Kiffin and Marinelli would be very similar.
 
jobberone said:
I keep hearing Kiffin runs the Tampa 2. Well there a several that do. They all just run modern variations of it as a BASE defense. Like all defenses in the NFL they are constantly running in personnel for different packages. Kiffin said he was going to run something along the lines of Seattle's defense. You should look at Seattle's D and see what they are doing. They utilize pass protection indecision based on versatile players pressuring from multiple fronts with multiple personnel. They also mix up their gap control. Their DBs and LBs can do what I've been asking for the last two seasons. They can cover, play in the box, tackle, and rush. They have three guys who can play the joker. They have a mix of 4-3 and 3-4 players who work well in a multiple scheme defense. They have some DL who can rush the passer, play one or two gap control, shoot the gaps, and shoot and hold.

This is what I look forward to from Kiffin et al. And they have proven to me and the rest of the league as well as a few fans they get maximum effort from their players. They will pickup a few players and get some healthy players back and do a good job.
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I hope you are correct
Would love to see that
One of the knocks in the Tampa 2 is it's predictability and that very good QBs can pick it apart so finding ways to make it less predictable would be great
 
Kiffin was not the problem with the defense just as Rob Ryan was not the problem last year. Injuries and front 7 depth are the culprit and the fact that most of our talent is on the offensive side and Garrett did not get close to the success from our offense that their talent level suggest he should. If the offense would have played to the level they should, the defense would not have been on the field as much as it was. Either Kiffin or Marinelli would make excellent a DC once the front 7 talent is deeper on defense.
 
jobberone said:
I keep hearing Kiffin runs the Tampa 2. Well there a several that do. They all just run modern variations of it as a BASE defense. Like all defenses in the NFL they are constantly running in personnel for different packages. Kiffin said he was going to run something along the lines of Seattle's defense. You should look at Seattle's D and see what they are doing. They utilize pass protection indecision based on versatile players pressuring from multiple fronts with multiple personnel. They also mix up their gap control. Their DBs and LBs can do what I've been asking for the last two seasons. They can cover, play in the box, tackle, and rush. They have three guys who can play the joker. They have a mix of 4-3 and 3-4 players who work well in a multiple scheme defense. They have some DL who can rush the passer, play one or two gap control, shoot the gaps, and shoot and hold.

This is what I look forward to from Kiffin et al. And they have proven to me and the rest of the league as well as a few fans they get maximum effort from their players. They will pickup a few players and get some healthy players back and do a good job.
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I think Kiffin had to keep it simple due to the revolving door of players in and out of the lineup.

When starters are injured, there is not only a talent drop off, but it causes it to be very difficult to teach and implement a defense.
Street Free Agents - No training camp to learn the scheme.
Young players - There having to learn the NFL while surrounded by veterans that are learning the scheme.
Injured players - Even when they return from injury, they have missed practice time in a new scheme.

I'm hopeful that whoever the DC is in 2014, that they do something similar to Seattle's defense.
 
xwalker said:
I think Kiffin had to keep it simple due to the revolving door of players in and out of the lineup.

When starters are injured, there is not only a talent drop off, but it causes it to be very difficult to teach and implement a defense.
Street Free Agents - No training camp to learn the scheme.
Young players - There having to learn the NFL while surrounded by veterans that are learning the scheme.
Injured players - Even when they return from injury, they have missed practice time in a new scheme.

I'm hopeful that whoever the DC is in 2014, that they do something similar to Seattle's defense.
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Couldn't have said it better.
 
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