Matt Eberflus' departure as DC is one of Bears biggest offseason losses

[blueblood70]

Indeed, another great example!

Well I believe Mike Zimmer had he got more than one offseason could have helped this team as well kind of not on him that we had a record amount of injuries on defense so yes him not being here more than one year is unstable but he's also one of those coordinators that's much better as a coordinator than a head coach...

TBH That is a really big list all over the NFL if you really wanted to compile the coordinators who are great coordinators but average to terrible as head coaches I mean it would take a while to compile that list that's pretty much the norm it's very rare for a coordinator to become a head coach and then be very successful...

 

[gimmesix]

Dan Quinn done pretty good, but had his biggest heading coaching failure with Atlanta . The question is will he be able to get over the hump with Washington

He did get Atlanta to a Super Bowl, though, so I'm not sure how much of a coaching failure that is. At this point, I would have taken that from any of our past six head coaches.

 

[gimmesix]

Well I believe Mike Zimmer had he got more than one offseason could have helped this team as well kind of not on him that we had a record amount of injuries on defense so yes him not being here more than one year is unstable but he's also one of those coordinators that's much better as a coordinator than a head coach...

Yeah, I'm not knocking Zimmer because he had a lot to overcome. I don't know if Eberflus would have done any better.

 

[blueblood70]

Dan Quinn done pretty good, but had his biggest heading coaching failure with Atlanta . The question is will he be able to get over the hump with Washington

Yeah well his defense got destroyed he was what we thought he was as far as defense goes that sure looked like the Green Bay game to me you know on the way out the door you can blame Jerry and he doesn't do this and that on the defensive line well what was the excuse getting ran over in many games and in that championship game I mean that is the Dan Quinn I remember head coach or coordinator....choked lol

 

[KJJ]

As an HC his defenses choked in the last seconds of a couple of games, most notably the hail mary vs Washington last season.

 

[Rockport]

I've learned to temper my expectations for coordinators, but I will say that some coaches are just much better as coordinators than they are as head coaches.

Coaches like Wade Phillips, Steve Spagnuolo, Vic Fangio, etc. were good defensive coordinators, but their head coaching results were disappointing.

I hope Eberflus builds a solid defense for the Cowboys and, if so, that he sticks around so they can finally have some stability on the defensive side.

There’s so many factors that go into a head coach being successful that are out of his control that IMO it’s unfair to make a final judgement saying he’s not a good HC but only a good coordinator. Sorry for the run on sentence.

 

[stilltheguru]

They held eight teams under 20 points. We held three teams under 20 points.

Now, some of that might be schedule, but the Bears' defense did better against the same opponents. We gave up 34 to the Texans; they gave up 19. We gave up 26 and 23 to Washington; they gave up 18. We even gave up 14 to Carolina, and they gave up 10.

Of course, it isn't like our defense last year was the gold standard for defensive play, but the Bears' D was better.

I also think if we look at Indy's defense when he was just focusing on being a DC, it's promising.

https://www.nbcchicago.com/news/spo...ator-as-new-head-coach-matt-eberflus/2740358/

Eberflus led Indianapolis’ defense to rank 10th and 11th in scoring defense and total defense during their 2018 season, after starting at 30th in both categories in 2017.

He has produced two top-10 units in total defenses, six top-10 units in rushing defenses, four top-10 units in scoring defenses and four top-10 units in turnovers created.

why compare Dallas learning a new defense with Zimmer (who was pretty much checked out mentally) to eberflus who was in Chicago for 3 years? Eberflus at best is a low end top 10 type of coordinator. Atleast Zimmer and Quinn have reached the highest peaks in their careers.

 

[Reality]

There’s so many factors that go into a head coach being successful that are out of his control that IMO it’s unfair to make a final judgement saying he’s not a good HC but only a good coordinator. Sorry for the run on sentence.

I agree to some point, but those coaches I listed had multiple chances and failed to produce results.

They were not horrible head coaches, but simply were not able to to succeed in the top spot.

That's not meant to be a criticism but rather an appreciation for the things they can do well.

 

[CCBoy]

I agree to some point, but those coaches I listed had multiple chances and failed to produce results.

They were not horrible head coaches, but simply were not able to to succeed in the top spot.

That's not meant to be a criticism but rather an appreciation for the things they can do well.

This is a talented group of coaches and with demonstrated effectiveness. They easily fall within the generalization of meeting most game changing situations. Then it is football.

 

[shabazz]

I've learned to temper my expectations

Isn't that type of thing one of the rules violations here?

 

[darthseinfeld]

Eberflus at best is a low end top 10 type of coordinator.

Seems accurate

 

[Mr_437]

Yup. Now they are asking to interview Jason Kidd for the coaching spot

Maybe Tom Thibodeau will be hired by Nico if Kidd bolts since he's always preaching defense. Thibodeau is a Top notch defensive coach. If Kidd leaves, I'd rather Nico leave too, and start over.

 

[Mr_437]

I like the possibility of Eberflus being around a few years, so the defense can finally settle down and build something. There's been too much change at DC. I believe Flus can be a really good DC because he can just focus on defense and not have those HC duties.

 

[XXLMike]

Yeah, but hit the brakes. He was a complete clown as a head coach. Let’s not spin it any other way he has to rebuild his career here and he’s lucky he was throwing this job.

 

[SlammedZero]

(little off topic)

Speaking of coaches. The Stars just fired Pete DeBoer

Imagine going to the Western conference finals and getting fired soon after

He was head coach of my San Jose Sharks for a few years. Just one of those solid in-season guys, but could never get over the hump. I’m sure Dallas saw the writing on the wall after this latest loss and decided it was time to move on. His record speaks for itself:

(I get your point though)

 

[DCBoysfan]

His defenses have been pretty good with the Bears
If you don’t count Hail Mary passes lol.

The offense in Chicago was a big problem for them.

 

[Denim Chicken]

Coaches like Wade Phillips, Steve Spagnuolo, Vic Fangio, etc. were good defensive coordinators, but their head coaching results were disappointing.

I have a feeling we'll see the same thing with Keelan Moore. I thought the same about Dan Quinn, but I don't know about that one anymore.

 

[Reid1boys]

There is always hype for "new", but I really have no idea how he's going to do here.

I am just hoping that he is able to build a solid defense.

Im sure he is a savant. Has designed a new defense nobody has ever seen before.

1. Coaches come and go and none of them are the reason for titles. Players, players players...... specifically QB, QB, QB.

Not 1 team in contention has anything less than pro bowl caliber, and the ones that really are the main contenders are 80% future HOFers.

 

[ConstantReboot]

Well I believe Mike Zimmer had he got more than one offseason could have helped this team as well kind of not on him that we had a record amount of injuries on defense so yes him not being here more than one year is unstable but he's also one of those coordinators that's much better as a coordinator than a head coach...

TBH That is a really big list all over the NFL if you really wanted to compile the coordinators who are great coordinators but average to terrible as head coaches I mean it would take a while to compile that list that's pretty much the norm it's very rare for a coordinator to become a head coach and then be very successful...

Zimmer should not have been hired in the first place. We should have hired from within. Promote one of our assistance and continue what Quinn built. But Jerry had to be Jerry. He is still stuck on 90s.