Mavericks getting Stoudemire...

[jterrell]

Do you even read, or do you just have arguments holstered? I never pimped the Spurs or dogged the Mavs. I pretty much pointed out the exact same things you did.

It's homeristic to say that the Spurs got a lot of rest earlier in the season because of injuries? It's homeristic to say that Kawhi is running on fresher legs because he missed ~20 games with a busted hand? It's homerisitic to say that Patty Mills being out for the first third of the season because of shoulder surgery might have given him a little more rest than other guys who have played the whole season? No, that's the truth. But despite all of that, I'm not putting the Spurs as a front-runner for anything. I'm saying they're in the group of 7 or 8 teams that could win the West. I'm not giving them better odds than anyone else.

Focus on non-Spurs? In fact I mentioned the Mavs (a non-Spurs team), Memphis (a non-Spurs team) and the Clippers (a non-Spurs team), and pretty much gave the same points on Memphis and the Clips as you did - no go-to guy on Memphis and the Clips hurting with Griffin out. I actually said that the Mavs made some good moves to help them weather the injuries they've had, and somehow you spun those into me dogging on the Mavs and pumping the Spurs.

Stop creating arguments where there aren't any. I'm not homering out on the Spurs. I think they're in the mix, that's all. Read my posts from opening day on. Find a single one where I tout the Spurs as the obvious favorite. One.

Let me dumb down what I'm saying for you so you can't spin it into something else.

In the West, my thoughts on the potential top 8 teams are (in no order)...

1) Warriors - a really good team, but they have some holes
2) Clippers - a really good team, but they have some holes
3) Blazers - a really good team, but they have some holes
4) Rockets - a really good team, but they have some holes
5) Mavericks - a really good team, but they have some holes
6) Spurs - a really good team, but they have some holes
7) Grizzlies - a really good team, but they have some holes
8) Thunder - a really good team, but they have some holes.

Also, Pop's never won back to back, that's correct. But he's won five total. Hopefully one day he'll be able to match all the back-to-back titles that Carlisle teams have rattled off.

ROFL... so basically you now are saying any of the top 8 teams in the West have a shot, not 7 correct?
Show me where you said anything about any hole in SA?
Not sure if you even realize how homeristic that post/s was but perhaps YOU need to re-read it.

So let's review....

post 1: POP is OMG MY BFF.
post 2: Spurs rested in the first half, Mavs are "breaking down", MEM lacks a closer.

yea, i totally see the balance.

 

[jterrell]

bounce - - jterrrell

Spirited. I like it. You both are helping me find my love for basketball all over again. It'll never be football worthy, but I'm getting excited about the upcoming playoffs. Just hope my Mavs can find some much needed chemistry before it's too late.

It does fit nicely into the NFL off-season.
And it is a nice and busy season where you can watch games most every night as opposed to the NFL.

 

[jterrell]

Also, Pop's never won back to back, that's correct. But he's won five total. Hopefully one day he'll be able to match all the back-to-back titles that Carlisle teams have rattled off.

Carlisle has coached 3 different teams and taken all 3 to at least the Conference finals.

Neither Detroit or Indiana has achieved the success after he left that they did with him.
Dallas obviously achieved it only title with him.

More importantly he isn't retiring any time soon.
Spurs fan will get to enjoy Avery Johnson soon enough.

 

[bounce]

ROFL... so basically you now are saying any of the top 8 teams in the West have a shot, not 7 correct?

I believe that the exact words I used were "7 or 8." To clarify, 8 is part of "7 or 8." It's actually the second part of it - right near the second quotation mark on the right hand side.

No, that's the truth. But despite all of that, I'm not putting the Spurs as a front-runner for anything. I'm saying they're in the group of 7 or 8 teams that could win the West. I'm not giving them better odds than anyone else.

I bolded and underlined it for your convenience.

let's review....

post 1: POP is OMG MY BFF.
post 2: Spurs rested in the first half, Mavs are "breaking down", MEM lacks a closer.

yea, i totally see the balance.

The Spurs game on Feb 4th when Belinelli returned was the first time the team has all been healthy since the final game of last season. The 49th game of the season was the first time the Spurs had everyone play. So, yeah, as a whole, they have had a lot more rest than other teams that have been at full strength all year.

The Mavericks have three starters banged up - Tyson Chandler with a sprained ankle, Rajon Rondo with a broken face, and Monta Ellis with hip pain.

(http://fantasynews.cbssports.com/fa...istic-injured-players-will-return-after-break)

So, yes, San Antonio is getting healthier, finally. Dallas is more banged up now than they've been all year. Those aren't opinions. That's common sense.

And explain to me how anything I said about Pop is incorrect or "being a homer." They've changed their philosophy from largely defensive to largely offensive with the same core. That's all I said - but way to spin that into something more than it is. And Avery Johnson isn't touching this team. Ettore Messina is the obvious succession plan. It was Coach Bud before him.

Show me where you said anything about any hole in SA?
Not sure if you even realize how homeristic that post/s was but perhaps YOU need to re-read it.

I've actually mentioned on many occasions that their health could be a big problem. The MOST I've said is that they'll be in the mix. Look at me being a huge homer in these posts:

I'm not worried about the Spurs as a team, because IF they get healthy, they have the ability to be in the mix. The problem is, the West is an absolute buzzsaw. You can't give an inch in this conference, or you'll find yourself on the outside looking in. Top 3 is a reach, short of going on like a .750 streak from here on out. I'll take top 6, because I feel like the seeds won't really matter much once the playoffs start.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/nba-2015-season-talk.304195/page-8#post-5882830

I said they probably won't be a top 3 seed, and they were hurt and had an up hill battle.

Or this one, where I said if they're healthy, they'll be in the mix (which you've also acknowledged). If not, they're in trouble and they won't make it past the second round. Wow...what a homeristic limb I went out on there.

I'm not worried about the Spurs IF they get healthy. We all knew that Mills, Splitter and Manu were banged up to start the season, which was going to hurt depth, but they had the starting talent to compete. But, Kawhi and Parker missing a lot of time has killed them. They lost arguably their two best guys for significant chunks. Also, from what I've read, Kawhi won't be actually healed without surgery and until the offseason. So, it's a much serious issue than originally thought. The biggest issue with this team is that all the injuries have guys playing 35+ minutes a game. They're not built for that. They were so good last year because they came at you in waves and nobody played 30+. If they can't get that under control, they'll burn out by the second round - but they WILL make the playoffs.

http://cowboyszone.com/threads/nba-2015-season-talk.304195/page-8#post-5889999

And it's utterly hilarious how you try to discount Pop not being able to win back to back (although he's won 5 total), but then tout Carlisle's making three Conference Finals.

Maybe Carlisle can wear his participation ribbon to Pop's Hall of Fame induction ceremony.

 

[jterrell]

Pop is the best coach in the NBA. No one has suggested otherwise.
But he hasn't ever won back to back and he's coached zero NBA WINNING seasons sans Tim Duncan.
He also has won ZERO back to back titles. And he has 5 titles so there is obviously something to the difficulty of repeating for Pop.

And in the WC there will be coaching match ups where he is hugely favored and others where it is a slim margin.

Carlisle is a top 5 coach without doubt and probably top 3. He is very likely to end up in the same Hall of Fame as Pop.

SAS issue is players. They have a serious lack of big defenders. that will be a problem in the WC playoffs. TD can only guard one dude at a time.
And when he is asked to be the primary interior defender his offensive game often struggles.
It will be a tough task for the Spurs this year.

But again, it will be tough for anyone because everyone can beat you.

 

[jterrell]

Bummer that Stoudemire won't play til Sunday.

25 games is not much time to get this group organized.
We will see how good Carlisle is or isn't that's for sure.

 

[jterrell]

Amare looks like a really good fit for Dallas.
Used as a back up 5, he provides a low post game they didn't have and has enough athleticism left to rebound and play defense.
Really like his fit on that second unit that needed scoring and rebounding badly.
He may already love the Dallas guards after his dreadful guard experience in NYK.

 

[Tusan_Homichi]

Amare looks like a really good fit for Dallas.
Used as a back up 5, he provides a low post game they didn't have and has enough athleticism left to rebound and play defense.
Really like his fit on that second unit that needed scoring and rebounding badly.
He may already love the Dallas guards after his dreadful guard experience in NYK.

Yeah, he definitely looked good that first game even in very limited minutes.

Rondo is still looking like a somewhat poor fit. I think they figured he'd be kinda like Jason Kidd during the championship run, but he can't hit that outside 3 like Kidd could. Yeah, Kidd couldn't do much else offensively, but he could at least do that. Supposedly Rondo is working with Holger though, so maybe that'll help at least some.

 

[jterrell]

Yeah, he definitely looked good that first game even in very limited minutes.

Rondo is still looking like a somewhat poor fit. I think they figured he'd be kinda like Jason Kidd during the championship run, but he can't hit that outside 3 like Kidd could. Yeah, Kidd couldn't do much else offensively, but he could at least do that. Supposedly Rondo is working with Holger though, so maybe that'll help at least some.

Yea, the Rondo thing was about defense. If you go to the top of that NBA 2015 thread you'll see about the 3rd game in I was noting Dallas couldn't play with that PG rotation. Jameer Nelson was about as bad a FA signing as Dallas has made the last decade.

Rondo is still a playmaker but he does need to work on his shot. Right now he takes his turn as 1 of 4 PGs. He is tremendous in rebounding and plays very good defense. But Ellis becomes the PG with 2 mins left so Rondo isn't shooting FTs. Dude is down in the 30s which is hilariously bad and below anyone on my 8th and 9th grade girls teams. Rondo, Barea, Harris with Ellis closing is a nasty PG rotation tho. I really like the overall team.

And I like Rondo working with Holger on shooting. Remember Kidd was the worst outside shooter in the league for years. He built that 3 point threat over time and it peaked in his title run with Dallas. I expect Dallas to keep Rondo and this team together with Rondo working on his shooting a great deal this off-season.

 

[Fletch]

Have yet to see Amare. Not looking good.

 

[jterrell]

Last two nights were a dumpster fire.
Late west coast games versus very good teams... Ok, but it wasn't even competitive.

 

[benson]

Carlisle has coached 3 different teams and taken all 3 to at least the Conference finals.

Neither Detroit or Indiana has achieved the success after he left that they did with him.
Dallas obviously achieved it only title with him.

More importantly he isn't retiring any time soon.
Spurs fan will get to enjoy Avery Johnson soon enough.

Dude, just stop. Your argument is absolute garbage. I stopped reading somewhere around the time where you tried to diminish Pops' success by saying he couldn't win back to back all while admiring Carlisle taking teams to the Conferance finals and losing!? Are you reading what you're typing?

Also, Carlisle out-coached Pop in a series where the Spurs won?! He must have out-coached Pop so bad his own players had no idea what he was doing letting the Spurs win 3 games in a row was it?

Just wow.

 

[jterrell]

Dude, just stop. Your argument is absolute garbage. I stopped reading somewhere around the time where you tried to diminish Pops' success by saying he couldn't win back to back all while admiring Carlisle taking teams to the Conferance finals and losing!? Are you reading what you're typing?

Also, Carlisle out-coached Pop in a series where the Spurs won?! He must have out-coached Pop so bad his own players had no idea what he was doing letting the Spurs win 3 games in a row was it?

Just wow.

I know it is hard to pay attention and all but this post was ~40 days ago.
You just bumped it because you are basically goofy.

Beyond that my points were very clear and easy to understand; including calling Pop the best coach in the league.

If you don't understand how a coach of an 8 seed can out-coach a 1 seed and still lose a series (in 7 games) you probably aren't bright enough to discuss basketball intelligently.
Seeing as Pop basically said it HIMSELF(Mavs outplayed and outcoached us) I feel perfectly correct in the statement.

As to the rest, SAS is currently a 6 seed after being most people's pick to repeat.
I pointed out Pop had never repeated and this season probably wouldn't break that streak.
So basically I have had SAS pegged far more accurately than just about anyone on the thread.

 

[benson]

I know it is hard to pay attention and all but this post was ~40 days ago.
You just bumped it because you are basically goofy.

Beyond that my points were very clear and easy to understand; including calling Pop the best coach in the league.

If you don't understand how a coach of an 8 seed can out-coach a 1 seed and still lose a series (in 7 games) you probably aren't bright enough to discuss basketball intelligently.
Seeing as Pop basically said it HIMSELF(Mavs outplayed and outcoached us) I feel perfectly correct in the statement.

As to the rest, SAS is currently a 6 seed after being most people's pick to repeat.
I pointed out Pop had never repeated and this season probably wouldn't break that streak.
So basically I have had SAS pegged far more accurately than just about anyone on the thread.

Whether your post was 40 days ago or 5 years ago is irrelevant, your argument is still garbage.

Whether or not you think you're correct is also irrelevant. I'm just here to kindly tell you that you're wrong.

 

[jterrell]

great game last night. wonder why there hasn't been any discussion of it?

 

[jterrell]

Whether your post was 40 days ago or 5 years ago is irrelevant, your argument is still garbage.

Whether or not you think you're correct is also irrelevant. I'm just here to kindly tell you that you're wrong.

You are sitting on the bench resting... like any good Spur when the game is brought to you.

 

[bounce]

great game last night. wonder why there hasn't been any discussion of it?

Great game last night. Wonder why there hasn't been any discussion of it?

 

[Rockport]

Great game last night. Wonder why there hasn't been any discussion of it?

I hope the Spurs get to face the Mavs in the playoffs because it's an easy win for them.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

I hope the Spurs get to face the Mavs in the playoffs because it's an easy win for them.

come on man... trash talk already

 

[Rockport]

come on man... trash talk already

Playoffs almost here. Trash talking must ensue.