Mavs/Celts discuss trade for Rondo

[jterrell]

http://espn.go.com/dallas/story/_/i...t-boston-celtics-dallas-mavericks-trade-talks


Stein calls Dallas the front-runner for Rondo.

The deal makes a lot of sense for Dallas and Boston.
Gives Mavs a legit PG and a perimeter defender. Also helps on the boards a good deal.

Boston has to get some return for the guy. Wright is an appealing big with a lot of upside. One of the best big men athletes in the league. If Boston wants to pressure and run .. what best fits Marcus Smart et al, Wright is a nice piece for them.

Mavs would definitely give up a 1st and a couple 2nds if not two 1sts in the deal.

Mavs has an ancillary move would get jermaine o'neal on the phone. Dude lives in the suburbs of Dallas and has played for Rick before.

Could Dallas get some roster filler in return? Swap of spares? Not sure there but this is an interesting topic that looks realistic finally.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Jermaine O'neal is crap and always has been. He is an "East" style big man. He is only effective playing against other East style players. He is a waste of space when he has to face real big men.

 

[jterrell]

Jermaine O'neal is crap and always has been. He is an "East" style big man. He is only effective playing against other East style players. He is a waste of space when he has to face real big men.

Mavs would be looking at him as compared to out of work options.
They need 15 MPG behind Tyson.

The other option may well be Bernard James coming back from overseas.

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

http://espn.go.com/dallas/story/_/i...t-boston-celtics-dallas-mavericks-trade-talks


Stein calls Dallas the front-runner for Rondo.

The deal makes a lot of sense for Dallas and Boston.
Gives Mavs a legit PG and a perimeter defender. Also helps on the boards a good deal.

Boston has to get some return for the guy. Wright is an appealing big with a lot of upside. One of the best big men athletes in the league. If Boston wants to pressure and run .. what best fits Marcus Smart et al, Wright is a nice piece for them.

Mavs would definitely give up a 1st and a couple 2nds if not two 1sts in the deal.

Mavs has an ancillary move would get jermaine o'neal on the phone. Dude lives in the suburbs of Dallas and has played for Rick before.

Could Dallas get some roster filler in return? Swap of spares? Not sure there but this is an interesting topic that looks realistic finally.

Good! Get Mark and Dirk another title!

 

[LittleBoyBlue]

Rondo agrees to go to Mavs in principle.

 

[LatinMind]

yup should be finalized by tonight.

 

[MissouriCowboy]

Say no to Benard James.

 

[CowboyChris]

#9 Romo & #9 Rondo in Dallas

 

[DFWJC]

They just became a better rebounding team overnight.

This guy has a great hoops IQ and is a pass-first point guard....a more athletic J Kidd but with a worse shot. Maybe he can improve his shot late in his career like Kidd did/

 

[TellerMorrow34]

This is a pretty good deal for the Mavs for sure.

 

[jterrell]

I really like the move.
I think it is a perfect fit for the Mavs.

Giving up Wright hurts. He was a really big offensive threat and his ability to score near the basket was huge.
All that said, Wright is a lesser rebounder than Rondo and he provided next to no resistance inside against physical post players.

For games versus teams in the bottom half of the league the Mavs were more than just fine, the other side rarely had any chance.
This offense was as pretty to watch as anything since Magic's Showtime.

But the dreary reality was this team was also winless versus the other currently seeded WC playoff teams.
Offense is nice but you gotta get stops and the Mavs thus far had few answers there.
They could talk about internal growth and settling in but as someone who watches the game the winning match ups were not there.
Once we got to playoffs thuglife basketball that proposition was scary.

I get that people are saying Rondo isn't a shutdown defender like pre-ACL.
That's fair.
But Rondo is a shutdown, hall of fame caliber defender compared to Jameer Nelson of 2014.

I "like" analytics. Problem with them is where they ignore or fail to account for outside factors.
Data is awesome, but it is just data. It changes.
Why it changes and how it changes is THE most important aspect of analytics.

What made moneyball was using analytics to gather pieces that were stronger in specific roles.

I get that Rondo can't shoot. Is that a huge negative. No, not in actual game play because if he is unguarded and gets the ball he will attack and pass.
As good as the Mavs have been at the alley oop dunk they haven't had anyone who can pass it like Rondo.
If big men wanna stick to Ty and Dirk Rondo will make lay ups and dunks.
That's a given.
So talk to me about offensive efficiency in February while we have all-star break down time.

For this trade it is pretty easy to see a big upgrade based upon need and fit.
Rondo is vastly superior defensively to Nelson. Actually as good as any Mavs guard sans Aminu played at the 2.
Offensively there is the theory he needs to have the ball and that has some merit but look at the advanced stats and see Nelson was used on 16% of the plays he was on the floor offensively. Rondo was at 19% for this season. That's really not much of a change.

Shooting breakdown: The biggest issue with Rondo offensively is his shooting. He is pretty darn bad. Closest comp is Jason Kidd.
But Kidd was able to add a spot up 3 point shot and Dallas won a title that way with a heck of a lot of the same cast.
Can Rondo add some spot up 3 point shooting? Yes. Anyone can. Will he? He has 27 million reasons to to do. ---Mavs max offer compared to anyone else.

All in all what I think it will look like is this:
Dallas will have a far better ball handler in Rondo.
Rondo and Ellis will essentially be your floor generals.
Barea will get spot minutes nightly to go all out attack mode.
And Harris will be your floor spacer guy and 3 point threat who can also defend. --he becomes your Bruce Bowen lite.
Aminu will play the 2 at times if match ups are needed defensively but he'll get more minutes at the 3 now IMHO.

Defensively, Rondo will generally get asked to guard the better of the two guards or the player operating as the pick and roll ball handler.
That will move Monta onto easier guards and allow Tyson to focus more on his guy in the paint. --Ty is great but his recovery quickness is not as good as in 2010.

Rotations:
PG: Rondo
SG: Ellis
SF: Parsons
PF: Dirk
C: TyC

6th: Harris on for Rondo or Ellis.
7th: Aminu in for Dirk, Parsons moves to stretch 4.
8th: Barea in as floor spacer and ball handler.
9th: Dirk back in for TyC unless another big is added.
10th: Jefferson/CharlieV as depth guys to lend a rest at 3/4.

Right now Dallas looks a couple pieces short.
A true back up Center is needed. Someone like J O'Neal works but they could give the minutes to Greg Smith or Dwight Powell most nights.
A sharp shooter like Ray Allen would be idea for some floor spacing at times.
Allen on the floor as a 3 with Ellis, Rondo, Parsons, Dirk is about as much spread and spacing with attack threat a team could possibly have.

 

[DFWJC]

Love the move.

I could maybe list 15 things I like about it.

Three things that do slightly concern me are:
1) How will Rondo and Ellis mesh
2) can Rondo improve his atrocious free throw and 3 pt shooting
3) our depth in the middle is now almost non-existant

 

[jterrell]

Love the move.

I could maybe list 15 things I like about it.

Three things that do slightly concern me are:
1) How will Rondo and Ellis mesh
2) can Rondo improve his atrocious free throw and 3 pt shooting
3) our depth in the middle is now almost non-existant

good job of listing the key concerns.

1) How will Rondo and Ellis mesh.
I expect this to really only matter for the first and last 5 minutes of a game. Those happen to be huge but for the majority of the game those guys will rotate opposite each other as creative playmaking force.

2) can Rondo improve his atrocious free throw and 3 pt shooting
I think he will but not immediately. Dallas has(think he is still there) a great FT coach in Gary Boren. The 3 PT shot should trend upward based upon the other offensive threats and his ability to focus on that in practices as a career lengthen-er.

3) our depth in the middle is now almost non-existant
100%. Not sure if we can move Felton for a back up big or not. Might require moving something else.
In mean time you like have to deal with Greg Smith or Dwight Powell as your back up and then play small ball with Dirk at C for small stretches.

 

[DFWJC]

I hear Greg Monroe is a consideration.

 

[jterrell]

I hear Greg Monroe is a consideration.

he'd be great but it comes down to price of course.
after the trade yesterday and the conditional picks i am not sure what trade assets dallas legitimately had.
they'd love to move felton but that's all they have in way of useful ballast. unless they have some picks they can trade.

maybe they can trade off a 1st but it might have to be some 2018 pick.

does a 2nd, felton and ricky ledo get you greg monroe? just dunno. bigs cost more in trade than they should.

 

[jterrell]

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mave.../oneal-okafor-top-mavs-backup-big-candidates\

Not much new but does discuss Okafor who could be healthy-ish finally.
Still suspect O'Neal is leading candidate based upon health and the known with coach/player.

 

[DFWJC]

Plus, if I'm not mistaken, I think O'Neal lives in one of the Dallas suburbs.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

he'd be great but it comes down to price of course.
after the trade yesterday and the conditional picks i am not sure what trade assets dallas legitimately had.
they'd love to move felton but that's all they have in way of useful ballast. unless they have some picks they can trade.

maybe they can trade off a 1st but it might have to be some 2018 pick.

does a 2nd, felton and ricky ledo get you greg monroe? just dunno. bigs cost more in trade than they should.

Greg has a the right to reject a trade because it would void his bird rights....doubt he wants to get traded.

 

[RonSpringsdaman20]

http://espn.go.com/blog/dallas/mave.../oneal-okafor-top-mavs-backup-big-candidates\

Not much new but does discuss Okafor who could be healthy-ish finally.
Still suspect O'Neal is leading candidate based upon health and the known with coach/player.

O'Neal would be an excellent pickup under the circumstances.

 

[jterrell]

Greg has a the right to reject a trade because it would void his bird rights....doubt he wants to get traded.

He'd welcome getting traded at this point because Detroit isn't going to use the Bird rights so that ship has sailed.
He is better off playing well for a team that draws attention than continuing to bide his time and sulk on a loser.

Issue is any team over the cap who takes him does so as a rental unless they have huge cap space for next year.
He'll take the biggest FA deal he can get.

I don't know that Dallas wants to offer much of anything for him because he absolutely won't be around for them next season but he could fo far worse than playing for a playoff team to build his resume.