Maybe I'm way off here....

[superpunk]

...but I think anyone who gets any idea about a "name" coordinator for either side of the ball, should just forget about it the second it pops into their mind. Parcells, is one of the most egomaniacal men in the world. He does not want someone to give him input, or adjust his scheme, IMO. He wants someone he has taught, to come do things his way. So, if you're thinking of Groh, Saunders, Martz, Turner, etc.......just put it out of your mind. Not gonna happen.

 

[burmafrd]

He prefers younger guys anyway- and there really is not all that many old pros out there that want to be coordinators again. Certainly very few that would be an upgrade. You coach under BP and you will eventually get a shot at a HC position. That has been proven many times.

 

[aikemirv]

I agree on the offensive side of the ball, but it would not surprise me if Zimmer leaves that he got a 3-4 guy on defense that was a high profile guy if there were any available.

I think any name guy that comes in would probably be looking at it as his chance to be the next Dallas Cowboys coach after BP leaves - that could be the drawing point.

 

[braw]

Ok If you follow that thinking then why get a 1 yr extension. The team needs stability thats why he didn't want to finish his contract this next football season. It would have not given him the chance to bring in the right FA.

 

[Idgit]

You may not be way off, but I think your reasoning is flawed. Parcells will chose the coach he thinks will have the biggest positive impact on his team, and the ability to get along with the HC is certainly a factor. I've seen nothing in 3 years to let me believe he'd make the wrong choice for his team based on his ego only. Put me down as one who'd rather see an up and coming young coordinator than a name guy, anyway. The last thing I want to see is us start over again when Parcells finally retires.

As I said in another post, I'd like to see us make Haley the passing game coordinator, have Parcells call plays, and use the asst coach tag to get in an OL guru.

 

[Echo9]

...but I think anyone who gets any idea about a "name" coordinator for either side of the ball, should just forget about it the second it pops into their mind. Parcells, is one of the most egomaniacal men in the world. He does not want someone to give him input, or adjust his scheme, IMO. He wants someone he has taught, to come do things his way. So, if you're thinking of Groh, Saunders, Martz, Turner, etc.......just put it out of your mind. Not gonna happen.

I'd say that you are mostly correct. However, there are some cases where BP's "knowing guys" would supersede that.

Granted, it's a complete long-shot, but I bet BP would jump at the chance to get Dan Henning if he could. That guy is a 'name' at this point without a doubt.

Of course the whole "under contact" thing kinda gets in the way barring an unlikely promotion to Asst. head coach.

Add to that, the fact that Henning is currently a part of a successful team vying for a Super-Bowl berth, and there's really very little reason to think he'd want to leave there.

But still, he's a 'name' and I'd bet BP would grab him if he were able.


Groh is another guy, name or not, that Bill would go after if circumstances made it realistic.

 

[superpunk]

You may not be way off, but I think your reasoning is flawed. Parcells will chose the coach he thinks will have the biggest positive impact on his team, and the ability to get along with the HC is certainly a factor. I've seen nothing in 3 years to let me believe he'd make the wrong choice for his team based on his ego only. Put me down as one who'd rather see an up and coming young coordinator than a name guy, anyway. The last thing I want to see is us start over again when Parcells finally retires.

As I said in another post, I'd like to see us make Haley the passing game coordinator, have Parcells call plays, and use the asst coach tag to get in an OL guru.

It's not that he'd do anything that would hurt the team. Parcells is all about winning. It's just that I don't believe that Parcells thinks there is ANYONE who knows more about any aspect of football than himself. So, he will promote from within, and take the guys he has taught, rather than a new guy coming in with his own ideas. I mean, I can't remember any time Parcells brought in a big name coordinator.

Personally, I think Zimmer's the next HC, and he knows it.

 

[Doomsday101]

It's not that he'd do anything that would hurt the team. Parcells is all about winning. It's just that I don't believe that Parcells thinks there is ANYONE who knows more about any aspect of football than himself. So, he will promote from within, and take the guys he has taught, rather than a new guy coming in with his own ideas. I mean, I can't remember any time Parcells brought in a big name coordinator.

Personally, I think Zimmer's the next HC, and he knows it.

Seems Bill has a very good track record when you see the coaches who have worked under him and how they have gone on to having success.

 

[parchy]

It's all moot anyway because Saunders would never come here. He basically has his pick between the Rams and Raiders HC jobs. Why would he go back to running an offense when he can run an entire team?

 

[Sabu1]

As I said in another post, I'd like to see us make Haley the passing game coordinator, have Parcells call plays, and use the asst coach tag to get in an OL guru.

This is very likely gonna happen. Although pretty good chance Sporano stays as OL coach/running game coordinator. Haley will be WR coach/passing game coordinator and Parcells calls the plays. There is good continuity there as the scheme stays the same. Upgrade the talent in some areas on the OL and WR perhaps and this offense will be good.

 

[Idgit]

This is very likely gonna happen. Although pretty good chance Sporano stays as OL coach/running game coordinator. Haley will be WR coach/passing game coordinator and Parcells calls the plays. There is good continuity there as the scheme stays the same. Upgrade the talent in some areas on the OL and WR perhaps and this offense will be good.

You can look around the league and see how quickly the right OL coach can impact a bad line. And improvement can come from getting the right street free agents and late round picks. In the last few years, I'm impressed with what's been done in SD and NE, and this year, in Miami. I'd absolutely pay an OL coach and give him the assistant HC title, if necessary.

 

[Hostile]

...but I think anyone who gets any idea about a "name" coordinator for either side of the ball, should just forget about it the second it pops into their mind. Parcells, is one of the most egomaniacal men in the world. He does not want someone to give him input, or adjust his scheme, IMO. He wants someone he has taught, to come do things his way. So, if you're thinking of Groh, Saunders, Martz, Turner, etc.......just put it out of your mind. Not gonna happen.

I don't think you're off at all. I expect Parcells to promote from within instead of hire out. In fact I bet Nors on it. If I am wrong I use an avatar of a crow for 1 week.

Doesn't stop me from hoping for Saunders.

 

[wileedog]

It's all moot anyway because Saunders would never come here. He basically has his pick between the Rams and Raiders HC jobs. Why would he go back to running an offense when he can run an entire team?

Both front offices are *highly* dysfunctional. I could see someone turning them down, particularly working for Davis and the Raiders.

If he's the patient sort he could take the OC spot here with the presumption he would be heir apparent to Big Bill.

Not saying it will happen by any stretch, but it could.

 

[Kittymama]

...but I think anyone who gets any idea about a "name" coordinator for either side of the ball, should just forget about it the second it pops into their mind. Parcells, is one of the most egomaniacal men in the world. He does not want someone to give him input, or adjust his scheme, IMO. He wants someone he has taught, to come do things his way. So, if you're thinking of Groh, Saunders, Martz, Turner, etc.......just put it out of your mind. Not gonna happen.

Not to interrupt the daily "bash Parcells even if we have to make it up" thread, but, um, Groh, Turner, & Henning already have jobs. Martz--you think Parcells has an ego? It pales next to Martz'. There's no way he's going to take an assistant's position, & no HC in his right mind would want the guy, knowing Martz would have a knife ready for his back the whole time.

Interesting that Belichick doesn't get criticized for not bringing in "name guys." Of course, he doesn't need to because virtually his entire staff was Parcells' guys first, so he can promote from within. He's already promoted the linebackers coach to take over from Mangini.

First, we don't know that he won't get a "name guy." He did try to get Henning when he first came here. He may well go & get another of "his guys" if someone is interested. But is there anything wrong with him bringing in more young assistants, even if they're not "name guys?" How many of those "name guys" were "name guys" before Parcells brought them in to begin with? If I were Jerruh, I'd be encouraging Parcells to go & find more young guys. All the more of a nucleus to choose from when Parcells does retire.

 

[superpunk]

I don't think you're off at all. I expect Parcells to promote from within instead of hire out. In fact I bet Nors on it. If I am wrong I use an avatar of a crow for 1 week.

Doesn't stop me from hoping for Saunders.

Saunders or his Oline coach, I'd love it. I just view it as unlikely.

 

[superpunk]

Not to interrupt the daily "bash Parcells even if we have to make it up" thread, but, um, Groh, Turner, & Henning already have jobs. Martz--you think Parcells has an ego? It pales next to Martz'. There's no way he's going to take an assistant's position, & no HC in his right mind would want the guy, knowing Martz would have a knife ready for his back the whole time.

Interesting that Belichick doesn't get criticized for not bringing in "name guys." Of course, he doesn't need to because virtually his entire staff was Parcells' guys first, so he can promote from within. He's already promoted the linebackers coach to take over from Mangini.

First, we don't know that he won't get a "name guy." He did try to get Henning when he first came here. He may well go & get another of "his guys" if someone is interested. But is there anything wrong with him bringing in more young assistants, even if they're not "name guys?" How many of those "name guys" were "name guys" before Parcells brought them in to begin with? If I were Jerruh, I'd be encouraging Parcells to go & find more young guys. All the more of a nucleus to choose from when Parcells does retire.

Wow. Misinterpret what people say, much? I'm not "bashing" Parcells. Saying he has an unbelievable ego isn't a bad thing, most successful people do have huge egos. People just keep tossing out "name" guys, and I think looking at Parcells personality, combined with hi history, that any hope for any of these guys is unfounded.

Try to be less touchy.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

He wants someone he has taught, to come do things his way.

he never taught Sean Payton, yet still brought him in, he likes energetic young minds

So, if you're thinking of Groh, Saunders, Martz, Turner, etc.......just put it out of your mind. Not gonna happen.

you got that right, and I don't want them anyways, don't want to disrupt the continuity of the offense, the only big-name coordinator I want is Dan Henning, cuz he runs basically the same system, and he's worked for BIll before

 

[Bob Sacamano]

You may not be way off, but I think your reasoning is flawed. Parcells will chose the coach he thinks will have the biggest positive impact on his team, and the ability to get along with the HC is certainly a factor. I've seen nothing in 3 years to let me believe he'd make the wrong choice for his team based on his ego only. Put me down as one who'd rather see an up and coming young coordinator than a name guy, anyway. The last thing I want to see is us start over again when Parcells finally retires.

As I said in another post, I'd like to see us make Haley the passing game coordinator, have Parcells call plays, and use the asst coach tag to get in an OL guru.

agreed

I also think the reason that Bill isn't bringing in "name guys" to be his coordinators is because he's trying to set up a coaching staff for the future once he's gone, sorta like when he brought in Belichick with the Jets and then retired