MB3 - 2nd String Is Where He Belongs

ConcordCowboy;1584214 said:
What Barber never helped us get inside the 5?

He was brought in many times once we got inside the 5-10 yard line.
I'm not knocking him because he did what he was called on to do, but much of the hard work was already done by the time he came in and got the payoff.
 
abersonc;1583897 said:
Yeah, aside from the MOST IMPORTANT GAME of the season. That's a good one to ignore.

So, he did well in one game, great. An important game? Obviously. He's done well against the Seahawks in his career. However, that is limited work against one team, not a pattern of success over the course of a career. We have a three year body of work to judge JJ on and anyone expecting drastic changes now is kidding themselves.

VA Cowboy;1584185 said:
haha...that's because we normally wait until we already marched inside the 5 yard line before we put Barber in.

A.) No, we didn't. He was a catalyst in many of those drives. He didn't run for the amount of yards he did on the low amount of carries he had by only running at the goal line.

B.) There was a reason Barber was brought in to get the ball in the end zone, because he knows how to find it. Coach Parcells obviously felt that Julius' "duck your head and run into the first lineman you see" style wasn't going to work.
 
Use Your Illusion;1584284 said:
So, he did well in one game, great. An important game? Obviously. He's done well against the Seahawks in his career. However, that is limited work against one team, not a pattern of success over the course of a career. We have a three year body of work to judge JJ on and anyone expecting drastic changes now is kidding themselves..

You can dismiss it if you like or try to minimize it by saying it's one team, etc. As long as you're willing to acknowledge in the last half of the year when the competition increased Barber did not perform well. Like last night against the first string also.

Which is the point of my original post -- his role is best as it is. Change of pace, allow Jones to get some rest, some distribution of carries in the backfield. Bottom line is each is suited to their particular roles (#1 and #2), although I still maintain that the substitution should be series based as opposed to plays, with Jones getting the bulk of the work.

A.) No, we didn't. He was a catalyst in many of those drives. He didn't run for the amount of yards he did on the low amount of carries he had by only running at the goal line.

Right, spot duty, not the bulk of the workload. My point exactly.

B.) There was a reason Barber was brought in to get the ball in the end zone, because he knows how to find it. Coach Parcells obviously felt that Julius' "duck your head and run into the first lineman you see" style wasn't going to work.

Don't see the need to slam Jones here, he certainly wasn't doing that last night, or his huge games against teams other than Seattle. Barber does have a nose for the endzone, but Jones has gotten in from that close as well in the years previous to last year. You can't say Jones can't do the job if he doesn't get the opportunities. Again, sub out on series, not plays, with Jones as your starter and Barber your #2.
 
LayingTheWood31;1583506 said:
And as for JJ being a home run threat, when was the last time he hit the homerun? its been a while. I

in our playoff game :doh:
 
No offense but some of you guys are making a big deal over the pre-season game and how barber played.

Should JJ start and be our Number one guy? Sure He deserves another chance to prove Himself.

Should MB3 be 1st string? right now it's JJ's job to lose. but barber has showed He also deserves a chance. One pre-season game doesnt erase what he did last season.




This board is to up and down..:rolleyes:
 
BigDFan5;1584302 said:
in our playoff game :doh:
i think by homerun threat he means busting a big run and scoring like when a homerun is hit. but i see what you're saying
 
dargonking999;1583119 said:
Like i've said before, there is a reason BP kept barber at #2. Because he didn't do as BP said. There were many times i saw him bounce a run from the hole and lose yards against the first team last night. He tried to hard to get extra yards, instead of taking what the defense gave him.

I disagree. I think he kep Barber at #2 because that is what worked. Not because Barber wasn't listening but because Barber was just excellent in that role.
 
When there is one therapy for a disorder then you know what the disease is and how to treat it` When you see ten ways to treat then there is a ways to go` When you have a J Brown you know who the starter is` I see JJ as the nobrainer starter but others dont` And there is enough others I have to look at the situation` JJ is not J Brown`

But is he good enough` And are they good enough together to win a SB` The answer is yes`

The next question is do you spend your high picks on a `better` RB or do you get a CB or NT yada` I say we wait until the end of the season since we have to anyway and then consider it` Right now the flow of each contest should predict who gets the lionshare of carries` Just a thought or two`

I need a new keyboard`
 
odog422;1584294 said:
You can dismiss it if you like or try to minimize it by saying it's one team, etc. As long as you're willing to acknowledge in the last half of the year when the competition increased Barber did not perform well. Like last night against the first string also.

Last half of the year? Since teams play 16 games I'll assume you're talking about our final eight games of the season. The stats for the final eight games of the season break down like this..

Julius Jones: 102 carries, 395 yards, 1 touchdown.
Marion Barber: 76 carries, 345 yards, 8 touchdowns.

Now, which guy played better? Touchdowns aside, Jones needed 26 more carries to run for 50 more yards.

Which is the point of my original post -- his role is best as it is. Change of pace, allow Jones to get some rest, some distribution of carries in the backfield. Bottom line is each is suited to their particular roles (#1 and #2), although I still maintain that the substitution should be series based as opposed to plays, with Jones getting the bulk of the work.
How is JJ suited to the role as a #1 running back? He has proven that he gets injured easily, has trouble playing through said injuries and wears down as the season goes on. That's not even talking about his pure running talent, which is, in my opinion, not #1 RB quality.

If anything, the roles should be reversed. Guys like JJ are the prototype "change of pace" backs that you mentioned. A guy who isn't a consistently good runner but can provide a spark for you every now and then. Barber starting the game and wearing the defense down and then the supposed "home run threat" coming in to finish them off makes the most sense.
 
joseephuss;1583966 said:
Watch the last three games of last year. That was three straight losses to the Eagles, the Lions and the Seahwawks in the playoffs. Barber had 16 carries, 22 yard, 1.38 average and 1 TD. Jones had 42 carries, 177 yards, 4.21 average and 0 TDs. It shows that Barber was not good and Jones was nothing special. Where do you go from there? I think it has been brought up many a time and that is to try and find a top back next year.

Is that what those stats tell you ? I see something completely different.

DallasDomination;1584305 said:
No offense but some of you guys are making a big deal over the pre-season game and how barber played.

Should JJ start and be our Number one guy? Sure He deserves another chance to prove Himself.

Should MB3 be 1st string? right now it's JJ's job to lose. but barber has showed He also deserves a chance. One pre-season game doesnt erase what he did last season.

Great post thank you.

IMO, Neither guy is a great RB, and sometimes I think the Cowboys fans are spoiled by having that solid piece of offense over the years (happens with the Commanders too).

They both have flaws, and they both have great moments, but neither is a truly great RB at this point.
 
VA Cowboy;1583122 said:
The beauty of it is we have two #1 picks. I think there will be some quality WR's in the latter portion of round one.

That's the way I see this draft shaping up for the Cowboys, at this early stage-- look for a stud RB and a stud WR in the first round...

Darren McFadden and Limas Sweed would shickle the tit out of me... Steve Slaton and Adarius Bowman would work, too...
 
silverbear;1584335 said:
That's the way I see this draft shaping up for the Cowboys, at this early stage-- look for a stud RB and a stud WR in the first round...

Darren McFadden and Limas Sweed would shickle the tit out of me... Steve Slaton and Adarius Bowman would work, too...

Well, heres to hoping that your tits get shickled......
 
jdub2k4;1583752 said:
And what proof do you have that Barber is indeed the better back? Since it is foolish to think otherwise, I would like to see your evidence.





You might want to consider not posting again.


whould it even matter? your mind is made up and you think Julius is better, that much is clear. You asking for evidence is like a blind person asking for closed captioning. You think Barber is no better then 2nd best regardless of anything that can said.

Personally, I wish one back was clearly better then the other but thats not how it is. They are pretty equal IMO. However, I think that Barber is the more valuable player. I think replacing him would be much more difficult then replacing Jones. Finding someone who brings a little over 1000 yards to the table isn't the chore it once was.

End of the season, this debate will be laid to rest. No doubt Julius is history after this year. If he blows up huge, hes going to go to a place that will provide more carries and probably pay him more then Jerry will. If he stays how he is, they won't resign him and the team will draft a RB.

In any case, I think the RB system should stay how it is. Not because Julius is better then Barber but because IT WORKED WELL last season.
 
bigbadroy;1584308 said:
i think by homerun threat he means busting a big run and scoring like when a homerun is hit. but i see what you're saying
Julius - 77 yd TD run Saints

Barber - 20yder against Giants the week before..

Just throwing some details...
 
I enjoyed the game, but for the Cowboys, there seem to be three distinct seasons:

1 pre-season
2 first half of regular season
3 second half of regular season and (sometimes) playoffs.

Neither JJ nor the defense has looked consistently good in part 3 the last two seasons, and the same for Romo in his only season.
 
silverbear;1584335 said:
That's the way I see this draft shaping up for the Cowboys, at this early stage-- look for a stud RB and a stud WR in the first round...

Darren McFadden and Limas Sweed would shickle the tit out of me... Steve Slaton and Adarius Bowman would work, too...

That's along the lines of what I'm thinking now. I'd love to get two offensive playmakers
 
Use Your Illusion;1584284 said:
A.) No, we didn't. He was a catalyst in many of those drives. He didn't run for the amount of yards he did on the low amount of carries he had by only running at the goal line.

B.) There was a reason Barber was brought in to get the ball in the end zone, because he knows how to find it. Coach Parcells obviously felt that Julius' "duck your head and run into the first lineman you see" style wasn't going to work.

I'm not knocking Barber, I just think he is in the role he's best suited for. He's good at coming in during the second half and bulling through a tiring defense. He's also good at short yardage.

I think we saw him alot in the first half against the Colts the other day because Wade and Garrett want to see for themselves what he can do early in the game. But in the end, I think he'll likely be in a similar role as last year.
 

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