Mcbriar should be a pro bowler, but here's my question

[GimmeTheBall!]

From the broadcast booth of Air America Cowboys, a 50,000-watt tower of power for the supreme truth and the American Way of Life.

McBriar puts all his 223 pounds and 6-1 frame into his kicks. They are booming things of wonder.

Yet, IMHO, he doesn't know his own strength.

Let's say the 'Boys are on the 50-yard-line. Fourth down.
The ball goes to McBriar and he booms it out. So far that it falls into the end zone.

OK, standard, play-it-safe special teams play.

But couldn't he, once in a while, pull the kick a bit to have it go to the 10? if our coverage is good, we'll pin them around the 10 or 15? Too, there is a chance the punt receiver will muff it. Bad things happen to the receiving team in these situations.

I just wonder why McBriar can't kick it a bit shorter and have our special teams blast someone around the 10-yard line.
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[5Stars]

They should make McBriar kick a nurf football if he's anywhere close to the 50...

But, he has put quite a few down towards the goal line...but, yeah, I always wondered why he can't ease up a little during those kind of kicks...

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[baj1dallas]

From the broadcast booth of Air America Cowboys, a 50,000-watt tower of power for the supreme truth and the American Way of Life.

McBriar puts all his 223 pounds and 6-1 frame into his kicks. They are booming things of wonder.

Yet, IMHO, he doesn't know his own strength.

Let's say the 'Boys are on the 50-yard-line. Fourth down.
The ball goes to McBriar and he booms it out. So far that it falls into the end zone.

OK, standard, play-it-safe special teams play.

But couldn't he, once in a while, pull the kick a bit to have it go to the 10? if our coverage is good, we'll pin them around the 10 or 15? Too, there is a chance the punt receiver will muff it. Bad things happen to the receiving team in these situations.

I just wonder why McBriar can't kick it a bit shorter and have our special teams blast someone around the 10-yard line.
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He's generally very good at kicking so they can down the ball inside the 20. He's struggled a bit the last 2-3 weeks is all.

 

[GimmeTheBall!]

They should make McBriar kick a nurf football if he's anywhere close to the 50...

But, he has put quite a few down towards the goal line...but, yeah, I always wondered why he can't ease up a little during those kind of kicks...

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That's what i like about you, Cinco. You recognize supreme truths and all that is accurate and god-fearing.

 

[Stautner]

He's generally very good at kicking so they can down the ball inside the 20. He's struggled a bit the last 2-3 weeks is all.

Some of the kicks he has sent into the end zone were 50-60 yard kicks - it figures that he would just put his full leg into it from that far out. If the goalline is only 40-50 yards out he does let up a little.

 

[Reality]

I am almost positive the plan for was McBriar to kick that ball into the end zone. It was a 63 yard punt with a net of 43 .. that's a very solid punt in football .. anything with a net greater than 40 is very good.

If you recall, his first punt was caught around the 10 yard line. McBriar has a lot of kicks downed inside the 20 so he definitely is good about doing it. No kicker will be perfect.

That being said, I really do believe the DeHaven or Parcells wanted him to put it in the end zone. You don't miss by that much in the air .. maybe on the bounce, but not in the air.

-Reality

 

[5Stars]

That's what i like about you, Cinco. You recognize supreme truths and all that is accurate and god-fearing.

Cinco Estrellas to you, sir!

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[Future]

Some of the kicks he has sent into the end zone were 50-60 yard kicks - it figures that he would just put his full leg into it from that far out. If the goalline is only 40-50 yards out he does let up a little.

Right...I will never complain about a 60 yard punt going into the end zone. Although it would be funny to think that we have the only punter ever to "pooch" from his own 30.:laugh2:

 

[aikemirv]

Right...I will never complain about a 60 yard punt going into the end zone. Although it would be funny to think that we have the only punter ever to "pooch" from his own 30.:laugh2:

There was a discussion yesterday about the penalty with 2:50 to go and whether we should have declined it and let the clock run or accepted it as we did and stop the clock.

I think we should have declined it just for the reason discussed here. Whether McBriar punts from his own 30 or his own 45 does not matter if you ask me because he could easily punt it inside the 20 from his own 30 anyway.

I think we should have declined and let the clock run because of this.

 

[AdamJT13]

Some of the kicks he has sent into the end zone were 50-60 yard kicks - it figures that he would just put his full leg into it from that far out. If the goalline is only 40-50 yards out he does let up a little.

McBriar has had nine touchbacks, and five of those punts were at least 54 yards (two of those were at least 63). He also had a 48-yard touchback near the end of the win over Washington that I'm sure was intended to be a touchback to avoid any chance of a return. And he has three touchbacks from inside of 42 yards.

He has punted 10 times from inside our opponent's territory. One was the 48-yarder against Washington, so there have been nine opportunities to "pooch" punt. Three ended up being touchbacks, one was returned to the 25, and the other five ended up at the 10 (fair catch), the 7 (fair catch), the 18 (returned), the 2 (muffed catch at the 9) and the 11 (fair catch). I think those overall results for pooch punting are pretty decent. Like Future 585 said, it's hard to tell your punter to pooch it from your own half of the field.

Two more McBriar tidbits --

-- He has had SEVEN punts travel at least 60 yards IN THE AIR. There are 10 full-time punters (including those for the Bucs, Giants and Eagles) who haven't even had a punt go 60 yards this season, even one that hit the ground and rolled. And there are 10 more punters who have topped out at either 60 or 61 yards, including those rolled. And keep in mind that McBriar has punted fewer times than all but three other punters, so he hasn't had as many chances as most guys have had.

-- We still haven't downed one of his punts this season. Every one has either been returned (or muffed), fair caught, gone out of bounds or been a touchback.

 

[SMCowboy]

McBriar is definately a weapon that EVERY team in the NFL would love to have.... I just hope we don't let him get away and sign him longterm when he is a FA.

 

[Stautner]

There was a discussion yesterday about the penalty with 2:50 to go and whether we should have declined it and let the clock run or accepted it as we did and stop the clock.

I think we should have declined it just for the reason discussed here. Whether McBriar punts from his own 30 or his own 45 does not matter if you ask me because he could easily punt it inside the 20 from his own 30 anyway.

I think we should have declined and let the clock run because of this.

Wake up - as good as McBriar is would you really gamble a game on him getting off a 60 yard punt?

Even so, a 60 yard punt after the penalty was added on would have almost guaranteed no return, whereas a 60 yard punt from 15 yards further back could potentially have resulted in a big return and put Manning in great position to lead his team to a score.

You have no point here - you don't refuse a 15 yard penalty with your back against your own end zone.

 

[aikemirv]

Wake up - as good as McBriar is would you really gamble a game on him getting off a 60 yard punt?

Even so, a 60 yard punt after the penalty was added on would have almost guaranteed no return, whereas a 60 yard punt from 15 yards further back could potentially have resulted in a big return and put Manning in great position to lead his team to a score.

You have no point here - you don't refuse a 15 yard penalty with your back against your own end zone.

The ball was on the 30 and 45 more seconds run off the clock. Don't tell me to wake up, I do have a point. All that mattered was a 1st down and using up Indy's timeouts. Thats all that mattered. The 15 yards was not much for Peyton. Would you rather him have 45 more seconds or 15 yards. I would give him 15 yards every day of the week!

 

[joseephuss]

McBriar has had nine touchbacks, and five of those punts were at least 54 yards (two of those were at least 63). He also had a 48-yard touchback near the end of the win over Washington that I'm sure was intended to be a touchback to avoid any chance of a return. And he has three touchbacks from inside of 42 yards.

He has punted 10 times from inside our opponent's territory. One was the 48-yarder against Washington, so there have been nine opportunities to "pooch" punt. Three ended up being touchbacks, one was returned to the 25, and the other five ended up at the 10 (fair catch), the 7 (fair catch), the 18 (returned), the 2 (muffed catch at the 9) and the 11 (fair catch). I think those overall results for pooch punting are pretty decent. Like Future 585 said, it's hard to tell your punter to pooch it from your own half of the field.

Two more McBriar tidbits --

-- He has had SEVEN punts travel at least 60 yards IN THE AIR. There are 10 full-time punters (including those for the Bucs, Giants and Eagles) who haven't even had a punt go 60 yards this season, even one that hit the ground and rolled. And there are 10 more punters who have topped out at either 60 or 61 yards, including those rolled. And keep in mind that McBriar has punted fewer times than all but three other punters, so he hasn't had as many chances as most guys have had.

-- We still haven't downed one of his punts this season. Every one has either been returned (or muffed), fair caught, gone out of bounds or been a touchback.

I have a small problem with this. I have seen guys get downfield, but they don't do a good job in locating the ball to down it. McBriar is doing a fine job and the coverage teams have not been great. They haven't been terrible either. There is room for improvement.

On one of McBriar's punts against Indy, the ball didn't just sail into the endzone. It it at the 1 yard line and bounced up and into the endzone.

 

[mwj473]

The ball was on the 30 and 45 more seconds run off the clock. Don't tell me to wake up, I do have a point. All that mattered was a 1st down and using up Indy's timeouts. Thats all that mattered. The 15 yards was not much for Peyton. Would you rather him have 45 more seconds or 15 yards. I would give him 15 yards every day of the week!

I don't agree. Only 25 seconds would have ran off of the clock if we would have declined the penalty, not 45. You have a 25 second play clock after play stopages and the ref marks the ball ready for play. I would have taken the 15 yards any day. I would rather of had Mcbriar boom 1 into the endzone or sky one to the 10 from the 45 vs having a 60 yarder from the 30, those can lead to a big return.

 

[joseephuss]

The ball was on the 30 and 45 more seconds run off the clock. Don't tell me to wake up, I do have a point. All that mattered was a 1st down and using up Indy's timeouts. Thats all that mattered. The 15 yards was not much for Peyton. Would you rather him have 45 more seconds or 15 yards. I would give him 15 yards every day of the week!

I understand your point, but I think Dallas did the right thing in accepting the penalty. Even as good as McBriar has been you can't assume he will get off a good punt. There is always a chance for a shank, a block or big return. Take the yardage when it is given. With Dallas' history of penalties, they could have started going backwards on the next few downs. Getting as much yardage as possible was equally as important as burning time off the clock. Indy had 3 timeouts. If they only had 1 at that time, I may be more inclined to change strategy, but still not that likely.

 

[Stautner]

The ball was on the 30 and 45 more seconds run off the clock. Don't tell me to wake up, I do have a point. All that mattered was a 1st down and using up Indy's timeouts. Thats all that mattered. The 15 yards was not much for Peyton. Would you rather him have 45 more seconds or 15 yards. I would give him 15 yards every day of the week!

And what about a possible punt return that might have added another 10, 20, 50 yards or a TD?

What about being close enough that we may have punted and pinned them inside the 10 or maybe the 5, therefore making it worth more than just an additional 15 yards?

There was just under 3:00 minutes left to play at that point, so even with 45 seconds running off there would have been plenty of time for Manning to bring his team down and score if we hadn't got another 1st down or two, so field position was crucial.

Besides, at some point Indy would have allowed some clock run off anyway to take advantage of the 2 minute warning, so the time gap would likely not have ended up being a full 45 seconds anyway.

The bottom line is that the penalty could pay even bigger dividends if we had to punt than the intital 15 yards would indicate. It could allow us to pin the Colts inside the 10 yard line or at the very least give us a chance to prevent a big, game changing runback by punting into the endzone.

 

[AdamJT13]

There was a discussion yesterday about the penalty with 2:50 to go and whether we should have declined it and let the clock run or accepted it as we did and stop the clock.

I think we should have declined it just for the reason discussed here. Whether McBriar punts from his own 30 or his own 45 does not matter if you ask me because he could easily punt it inside the 20 from his own 30 anyway.

I think we should have declined and let the clock run because of this.

The clock would not have started again after the penalty, even if it was declined.

 

[Stautner]

The clock would not have started again after the penalty, even if it was declined.

There was a discussion on another thread yesterday in which one poster quoted an NFL rule that seemed to indicate that the clock would only remain dead if the penalty were accepted - that the clock would start again once the penalty was declined.

I was like you - I thought the clock stayed dead until the next play.

 

[joseephuss]

There was a discussion on another thread yesterday in which one poster quoted an NFL rule that seemed to indicate that the clock would only remain dead if the penalty were accepted - that the clock would start again once the penalty was declined.

I was like you - I thought the clock stayed dead until the next play.

I posted this yesterday:

8. With the exception of the last two minutes of the first half and the last five minutes of the second half, the game clock will be restarted following a kickoff return, a player going out of bounds on a play from scrimmage, or after declined penalties when appropriate on the referee’s signal.​

http://www.nfl.com/fans/rules/timing

I don't know what "when appropriate" means.