McCarthy-Moore Connection

[chagus]

Color me lost. Couldn't follow the connection. But then again, I dropped out of high school in the sixth grade. So my comprehension level might be a little off.

You were in high school in 6th grade?

 

[Techsass]

You were in high school in 6th grade?

He left out the part about his advancing so quick that he was already working on his Harvard scholarship. Of course by the time they got the paperwork straight, he realized he didn't need any certificates & just went ahead & joined the real world.

 

[Typhus]

He left out the part about his advancing so quick that he was already working on his Harvard scholarship. Of course by the time they got the paperwork straight, he realized he didn't need any certificates & just went ahead & joined the real world.

all this time and I never kenw

 

[Redball Express]

Pretty complicated
Just hope they score points

Of all t
Hey we complain about and spit stats at each other..but the lack of points is the single biggest problem we have.

 

[Silver Surfer]

 

[Beaker42]

That wasn’t Garrett offense. He was OC in title only. Without Tony Sparano holding his hand his offense was garbage. May I remind you of the 3 straight 8-8 years

Those 3 straight 8-8’s should’ve been his death knell. I can’t stand our owners.

 

[DandyDon52]

so basically dallas is going to run a 40 yr old offense?
that will fool some dc's !!!!
Some guys create, others just copy.

 

[garyo1954]

so basically dallas is going to run a 40 yr old offense?
that will fool some dc's !!!!
Some guys create, others just copy.

Don't get where you are under the impression that the West Coast is out of date.
Most offenses are hybrids incorporating concepts of two are more systems.
Without checking 32 sites to verify these are still in play (and won't be changed by incoming coaches) here is a list of teams and their last known offense:

AZ Air Raid
ATL West Coast, vertical
BLT West Coast, read option
BUF West Coast
CHI West Coast, Spread concepts
CIM Air Coryell
CLE West Coast, Run Heavy
DAL West Coast, Vertical
DEN West Coast, Zone Running
DET West Coast, Power Run
GRB West Coast, Vertical
JAX Hybrid Air Coryell
KC West Coast
LAR West Coast/Spread
MIN West Coast
NO West Coast
NYG West Coast
NYJ West Coast/Spread
LVR West Coast
PHI West Coast
49ers West Coast
SEA Play Action
TBB Air Coryell
TEN Exotic Smashmouth
WFT Vertical Play Action

Texans, Indy, Chargers, Miami, NE, Pittsburgh run Earnhardt-Perkins

How many teams continue to run the West Coast offense or some variant?

The offense that Moore learned under Petersen was essentially a hodgepodge amalgam of the West Coast offense, quick spread offense, and the fly offense to create an offense that could line up in a wide variety of different formations and utilize pre-snap motion at a high frequency to effectively change formations on the fly. Petersen also incorporated the simple terminology of the Erhardt-Perkins system to make it easier for players to digest, focusing on calling plays by concepts instead of specific routes for each player

Any wonder why Kellen Moore was interviewed by the Eagles for their HC vacancy?

 

[AsthmaField]

And now......The Rest of The Story...

Kellen Moore’s motion-heavy offense operated within Jason Garrett’s Air Coryell philosophy, placing an emphasis on vertical shots in the passing game centered around a strong run game while HC Mike McCarthy, runs a variant of the West Coast offense that features short, quick passes with little focus on running the ball.

At first glance, it might seem like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. But these two coaches share a offensive philosophy that goes back to Paul Hackett, the Passing Game Coordinatior, de-facto Offensive Coordinator, under Tom Landry from 1986 to 1988. (The prior three years Hackett had been QB/WR/TE coach learning under the inventor of the West Coast Offense, Bill Walsh, with the 49ers).

With Garrett gone, Moore's primary offensive philosophy is expected to become the one he played in at Boise State under Chris Petersen. Petersen's own philosophy is an hodgepodge of the West Coast Offense he learned in 1992 as QB coach with the Pitt Panthers (University of Pittsburgh), his time under Mike Belotti at Oregon learning the spread offense and his years as OC under Boise State's Dan Hawkins, learning the fly offense, which was built around the jet sweep concept on nearly every play.

Going back to the Pitt Panther team of 1992 where Chris Peterson got his introduction to the West Coast Offense under Head Coach Paul Hackett, there was a third year graduate assistant by the name of Michael McCarthy, coaching WRs. Yes, the same Michael McCarthy who is HC of the Dallas Cowboys today. (The guy we know as BigMac also worked the night shift on the Pennsylvania Turnpike as a toll collector to supplement his income and spent his time in the tollbooth reviewing the University of Pittsburgh playbook).

In 1993 Hackett and McCarthy left the Pitt Panthers for the OC position with the Kansas City Chiefs and offensive quality control coach, respectively. Petersen went to Portland State as QB coach.

Essentially Paul Hackett took the offense he ran with the Cowboys to the Pitt Panthers and taught it to McCarthy working alongside Chris Petersen. And today Petersen's greatest quarterback, Kellen Moore, is the offensive coordinator working for McCarthy.

(Skip Peete, the Cowboys running back coach, was the running backs coach with the same Pitt Panthers as McCarthy and Petersen in 1992).

I didn’t know a lot of that. Good job.

 

[Typhus]

so basically dallas is going to run a 40 yr old offense?
that will fool some dc's !!!!
Some guys create, others just copy.

Well despite how complex and evolved the game has become, its still just football and it will always be a game of inches.

 

[phildadon86]

After that 09 season the offense changed a bit as I said mostly because of the interior of the line. The 14 team was a mix on offense that was different from the 07-09 years that Garrett was running the offense he installed and called plays. After that 12 season the offense was basically running a modified version of the west coast with Callahan calling plays and the same when linehan came in. Those were different offenses in those years although still using the coryell numbering system and terminology.

also what does murray have to do with the passing game? The running game changed here when callahan came in 13 and Frank Pollack. In 14 Romo did throw a lot of vertical stuff, there was this guy on the team named Dez Bryant who along with Tony Romo perfected the back shoulder fade. They were pretty damn good you should look them up.

you can hate garrett all you want and I am no fan either after the ware and romo handling but it was his offense in 07-09.

Yeah and he has play calling duties stripped from him. What’s that tell you. And you don’t have to be condescending just because someone doesn’t agree with your opinion. Garrett’s offense sucked without sparano. It’s not hard to see

 

[phildadon86]

After that 09 season the offense changed a bit as I said mostly because of the interior of the line. The 14 team was a mix on offense that was different from the 07-09 years that Garrett was running the offense he installed and called plays. After that 12 season the offense was basically running a modified version of the west coast with Callahan calling plays and the same when linehan came in. Those were different offenses in those years although still using the coryell numbering system and terminology.

also what does murray have to do with the passing game? The running game changed here when callahan came in 13 and Frank Pollack. In 14 Romo did throw a lot of vertical stuff, there was this guy on the team named Dez Bryant who along with Tony Romo perfected the back shoulder fade. They were pretty damn good you should look them up.

you can hate garrett all you want and I am no fan either after the ware and romo handling but it was his offense in 07-09.

Also. Since your hero was going vertical. Let’s discuss how dumb that is as a coach when you have dez who’s amazing at RAC and you never throw a slant. Great coaching

 

[john van brocklin]

Of all t
Hey we complain about and spit stats at each other..but the lack of points is the single biggest problem we have.

Score more than the other guy!

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

Color me lost. Couldn't follow the connection. But then again, I dropped out of high school in the sixth grade. So my comprehension level might be a little off.

its 6 degrees of separation, basically Mccarthy was neighbors to the man, who went to a game and talked to the guy who after one home game got signature of the Boise state head coach, where Moore played... got it?

 

[garyo1954]

Well despite how complex and evolved the game has become, its still just football and it will always be a game of inches.

That's what people forget. Its still "move the ball 10 yards or give it up."

I wanted to write a post explaining that when these offenses were created the ball was placed on the hash marks creating a wide side and a short side. Analytics (what we call basic stats) showed that plays going to the wide side gained more yards overall than plays called to the short side. But that didn't stop teams from calling plays to the short side.

Even with all the change made to the game its remains the same basic. And no matter how many changes they make they can't take out the human element that causes coaches to believe in "need to get cute and call something that will surprise the defense" when in some cases even the weakest play would be enough to get the job done.

 

[Typhus]

That's what people forget. Its still "move the ball 10 yards or give it up."

I wanted to write a post explaining that when these offenses were created the ball was placed on the hash marks creating a wide side and a short side. Analytics (what we call basic stats) showed that plays going to the wide side gained more yards overall than plays called to the short side. But that didn't stop teams from calling plays to the short side.

Even with all the change made to the game its remains the same basic. And no matter how many changes they make they can't take out the human element that causes coaches to believe in "need to get cute and call something that will surprise the defense" when in some cases even the weakest play would be enough to get the job done.

Very true and agree, and as teams migrate to a pass heavy oriented theme/era that we are in now, teams will start getting back to the running game because defenses have been adjusted to play strong vs pass.
It runs in cycles and always has, the best offenses will be those that can do both and able to flip the script and deliver both when the situation presents itself.
We are pushing camp now, so I dont focus any longer at this point in the season on player contracts and all the drama,, thats already done and its better to look at the cards dealt and how you want to play them now.
I like the way this offense is built, and if Moore can grow up quickly which is being expected, than he has all the tools in the shed to bring out a very exciting offense this season.

 

[America's Cowboy]

And now......The Rest of The Story...

Kellen Moore’s motion-heavy offense operated within Jason Garrett’s Air Coryell philosophy, placing an emphasis on vertical shots in the passing game centered around a strong run game while HC Mike McCarthy, runs a variant of the West Coast offense that features short, quick passes with little focus on running the ball.

At first glance, it might seem like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. But these two coaches share a offensive philosophy that goes back to Paul Hackett, the Passing Game Coordinatior, de-facto Offensive Coordinator, under Tom Landry from 1986 to 1988. (The prior three years Hackett had been QB/WR/TE coach learning under the inventor of the West Coast Offense, Bill Walsh, with the 49ers).

With Garrett gone, Moore's primary offensive philosophy is expected to become the one he played in at Boise State under Chris Petersen. Petersen's own philosophy is an hodgepodge of the West Coast Offense he learned in 1992 as QB coach with the Pitt Panthers (University of Pittsburgh), his time under Mike Belotti at Oregon learning the spread offense and his years as OC under Boise State's Dan Hawkins, learning the fly offense, which was built around the jet sweep concept on nearly every play.

Going back to the Pitt Panther team of 1992 where Chris Peterson got his introduction to the West Coast Offense under Head Coach Paul Hackett, there was a third year graduate assistant by the name of Michael McCarthy, coaching WRs. Yes, the same Michael McCarthy who is HC of the Dallas Cowboys today. (The guy we know as BigMac also worked the night shift on the Pennsylvania Turnpike as a toll collector to supplement his income and spent his time in the tollbooth reviewing the University of Pittsburgh playbook).

In 1993 Hackett and McCarthy left the Pitt Panthers for the OC position with the Kansas City Chiefs and offensive quality control coach, respectively. Petersen went to Portland State as QB coach.

Essentially Paul Hackett took the offense he ran with the Cowboys to the Pitt Panthers and taught it to McCarthy working alongside Chris Petersen. And today Petersen's greatest quarterback, Kellen Moore, is the offensive coordinator working for McCarthy.

(Skip Peete, the Cowboys running back coach, was the running backs coach with the same Pitt Panthers as McCarthy and Petersen in 1992).

Wow, thanks for the history lesson and historical scheme ties @garyo1954 !! Very interesting stuff and good to know.

 

[Redball Express]

And now......The Rest of The Story...

Kellen Moore’s motion-heavy offense operated within Jason Garrett’s Air Coryell philosophy, placing an emphasis on vertical shots in the passing game centered around a strong run game while HC Mike McCarthy, runs a variant of the West Coast offense that features short, quick passes with little focus on running the ball.

At first glance, it might seem like trying to fit a square peg into a round hole. But these two coaches share a offensive philosophy that goes back to Paul Hackett, the Passing Game Coordinatior, de-facto Offensive Coordinator, under Tom Landry from 1986 to 1988. (The prior three years Hackett had been QB/WR/TE coach learning under the inventor of the West Coast Offense, Bill Walsh, with the 49ers).

With Garrett gone, Moore's primary offensive philosophy is expected to become the one he played in at Boise State under Chris Petersen. Petersen's own philosophy is an hodgepodge of the West Coast Offense he learned in 1992 as QB coach with the Pitt Panthers (University of Pittsburgh), his time under Mike Belotti at Oregon learning the spread offense and his years as OC under Boise State's Dan Hawkins, learning the fly offense, which was built around the jet sweep concept on nearly every play.

Going back to the Pitt Panther team of 1992 where Chris Peterson got his introduction to the West Coast Offense under Head Coach Paul Hackett, there was a third year graduate assistant by the name of Michael McCarthy, coaching WRs. Yes, the same Michael McCarthy who is HC of the Dallas Cowboys today. (The guy we know as BigMac also worked the night shift on the Pennsylvania Turnpike as a toll collector to supplement his income and spent his time in the tollbooth reviewing the University of Pittsburgh playbook).

In 1993 Hackett and McCarthy left the Pitt Panthers for the OC position with the Kansas City Chiefs and offensive quality control coach, respectively. Petersen went to Portland State as QB coach.

Essentially Paul Hackett took the offense he ran with the Cowboys to the Pitt Panthers and taught it to McCarthy working alongside Chris Petersen. And today Petersen's greatest quarterback, Kellen Moore, is the offensive coordinator working for McCarthy.

(Skip Peete, the Cowboys running back coach, was the running backs coach with the same Pitt Panthers as McCarthy and Petersen in 1992).

We understood we were installing a West Coast offense as Rodgers runs in GB. Now Moore was supposed to retain elements he and Dak succeeded with before McCarthy. It's obvious any successful team must fit its personnel to its scheme. Moore and McCarthy have to shape that over time. Last year no Dak..so alot was lost using Dalton and the others. I expect alot of early losses with improvement after mid season. Have no idea if it all improves in time to make a playoff run or not.