Mcfadden Similiar to Bush?

[BigDave95]

...and McFadden won't have grand canyon sized hole to run threw between the tackles in the NFL like he had in college. He will have to break tackles, because the WILL get hands on him.

...something he has shown he isn't very good at.

Grand Canyon sized holes?!?!!?

He had an average offensive line (at best) and 9 defenders in the box. If anything, he'll have MORE space to run in the NFL assuming he goes to a team that actually has a balanced offense.

 

[khiladi]

Seriously...

Even if you oppose Jerry making moves to get McFadden, don't downplay this guy...

His only knock is that he fumbles. And fumbles is something that can easily be corrected, as Tiki Barber can testify. It doesn't take genetic gifts to prevent.

Also, I have an issue with people saying his legs are too small. Balance is primarily a matter of the core muscles and body control. Further, shifting weight and changing direction is also related to the core. You can have long legs and still not be taken down that easily. And further, injury is most-foten than not about getting hit at the wrong angle. Getting hit on the knee-cap and tearing your ACL has little to do with the size of your quads. It just means you got hit in the wrong angle. Sparining your ankle has little to do with how much you can squat.

 

[khiladi]

Whatever you say buddy. Until you can prove me wrong... I'm the one who is right here.

Show me McFadden prolifically breaking tackles. Thats right. You can't.

How does a guy that runs for a 5 YPC average in the SEC, with teams stacking men in the box to stop him, not known for breaking tackles?

 

[YosemiteSam]

Sure I can. I've got videotaped evidence...proof. It's called game film!!

Maybe you should try watching the guy play before you go around positioning yourself as some kind of expert on him. Anyone who's seen a significant number of his games would tell you that his strength, stiff-arm, and ability to break tackles is one of his greatest strengths.

Produce it or move on.

McFadden highlight films doesn't show him breaking tackles. Considering breaking tackles is highlight worthy, don't you think it's odd that his highlights do not have many?

Analysis is a skill that requires you to actually do something. It's not listen to Bob's bias, then spew to everyone else that it's fact. College != NFL and McFadden didn't break many tackles in college. In the NFL he will be forced too because he won't have Grand Canyon size holes to run through.

His inability to break tackles will be exposed at the next level.

Ask yourself this. Why are these scouts starting to wavier on their outlook of McFadden? Maybe it's because speed alone doesn't translate to the NFL.

 

[YosemiteSam]

How does a guy that runs for a 5 YPC average in the SEC, with teams stacking men in the box to stop him, not known for breaking tackles?

Because 95+% of SEC college players will never even see the practice squad of an NFL team.

 

[BigDave95]

Produce it or move on.

McFadden highlight films doesn't show him breaking tackles. Considering breaking tackles is highlight worthy, don't you think it's odd that his highlights do not have many?

Analysis is a skill that requires you to actually do something. It's not listen to Bob's bias, then spew to everyone else that it's fact. College != NFL and McFadden didn't break many tackles in college. In the NFL he will be forced too because he won't have Grand Canyon size holes to run through.

His inability to break tackles will be exposed at the next level.

Ask yourself this. Why are these scouts starting to wavier on their outlook of McFadden? Maybe it's because speed alone doesn't translate to the NFL.

Why am I responsible for producing game film for you? Did you not know that these games are televised to a national audience on popular stations such as CBS and ESPN throughout the year? Did you not get that memo?

I wish you could realize what a joke you are producing a 4 minute freakin youtube click as your sole source of knowledge on the topic. Watch some games. Get a clue.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Why am I responsible for producing game film for you? Did you not know that these games are televised to a national audience on popular stations such as CBS and ESPN throughout the year? Did you not get that memo?

I wish you could realize what a joke you are producing a 4 minute freakin youtube click as your sole source of knowledge on the topic. Watch some games. Get a clue.

I can produce and you can't. Enough said.

 

[khiladi]

Because 95+% of SEC college players will never even see the practice squad of an NFL team.

Uh, the SEC puts out plenty of NFL talent... In the last five years, more than any other conference. They are even better in terms of first and second round selections.

 

[BigDave95]

Seriously...

Even if you oppose Jerry making moves to get McFadden, don't downplay this guy...

And for what it's worth, I DO NOT think Jerry should trade up and get McFadden. It's a shame the Cleveland pick wasn't any better but given the circumstances as they are now, we have other needs that should be addressed.

But to compare him to Reggie Bush or say he can't break tackles...come on. How ridiculous is that?

 

[BigDave95]

I can produce and you can't. Enough said.

You produced what? You showed film of him breaking off 80 yard touchdown after 80 yard touchdown. That's your evidence that the guy can't break tackles? It's tough to break tackles when the tackler is 8 yards behind you.

 

[YosemiteSam]

Uh, the SEC puts out plenty of NFL talent... In the last five years, more than any other conference. They are even better in terms of first and second round selections.

Does the entire starting defense of all those teams become NFL starters their rookie season? I don't think so. They aren't NFL quality starters and many will never see the NFL period. So, when McFadden was doing all that running wild, he was NOT doing it against NFL quality players.

I repeat for the 1,000 time. SEC != NFL

 

[YosemiteSam]

You produced what? You showed film of him breaking off 80 yard touchdown after 80 yard touchdown. That's your evidence that the guy can't break tackles? It's tough to break tackles when the tackler is 8 yards behind you.

Of course, you know they don't show you being tackled in highlight films either. Do you actually believe he is going to run like that in the NFL?

Thats right. He won't. If he did, he would make Walter Payton, Emmitt Smith, Barry Sanders, Ladainian Tomlinson, and all the other NFL great RBs look like garbage.

You know what all those NFL RBs could do? They weren't all burners like McFadden. Thats right, they could break tackles, and their highlight films prominently show them doing it. Unlike some other future running backs.

You know Adrian Peterson? Yeah, NFL rookie of the year. That guy. His highlight films? Yep, breaking tackles like a madman.

 

[khiladi]

Does the entire starting defense of all those teams become NFL starters their rookie season? I don't think so. They aren't NFL quality starters and many will never see the NFL period. So, when McFadden was doing all that running wild, he was NOT doing it against NFL quality players.

I repeat for the 1,000 time. SEC != NFL

SO then, I guess you can't ascertain any college player, because

NO COLLEGE CONFERENCE!=NFL

You claim that he can't break tackles, and I said that he averages 5 YPC in a conference that produces more NFL talent than any other conference. That means that he played against the best talent in college, and still averaged 5 YPC. How can that not be indicative that he can break tackles?

Why would you even provide a link to You Tube to prove that McFadden can't break tackles, when he plays against college teams anyways? In fact, how can you ascertain any college player, because none of them play aginst the NFL defenses?

Your logic is just dumb, it's astounidng...

 

[OldButDeadly]

Seriously, your argument is just dumb.

Seems to me both of your are dumb for this argument....

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How great would it be to have Reggie Bush type compliment to MBIIII

Freaking awesome it would be!

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Kevin

 

[BigDave95]

Your logic is just dumb, it's astounidng...

It really is, isn't it? I feel like I'm arguing with my 6 year old.

It doesn't even make sense to waste time arguing with these youtube analysts. They see 4 minutes of highlights put to music and think they know it all.

 

[speedkilz88]

Produce it or move on.

McFadden highlight films doesn't show him breaking tackles. Considering breaking tackles is highlight worthy, don't you think it's odd that his highlights do not have many?

Analysis is a skill that requires you to actually do something. It's not listen to Bob's bias, then spew to everyone else that it's fact. College != NFL and McFadden didn't break many tackles in college. In the NFL he will be forced too because he won't have Grand Canyon size holes to run through.

His inability to break tackles will be exposed at the next level.

Ask yourself this. Why are these scouts starting to wavier on their outlook of McFadden? Maybe it's because speed alone doesn't translate to the NFL.

So your name is Bob.

 

[BigDave95]

So your name is Bob.

More like Boob.

His contention is that McFadden is simply a speed back who ran through gaping holes and never broke a tackle. Anyone who's ever seen him play in, oh I don't know, AN ACTUAL FOOTBALL GAME...knows how ridiculous this is.

Who likes to watch those football games anyway though? They last longer than 4 minutes and don't have AC/DC playing in the background.

 

[YosemiteSam]

You guys run back out to the kiddie playground before your mom comes looking for you.

Once you graduate with a degree in mathematics or engineering so you at least have some sense of deductive reasoning you can come talk to me.

Until then, arguing logic with you is pointless.

 

[BigDave95]

Once you graduate with a degree in mathematics or engineering so you at least have some sense of deductive reasoning you can come talk to me.

Until then, arguing logic with you is pointless.

I see. That's what you were doing. You were studying for your mathematics and engineering degrees while the rest of us were watching football games. That does explain why you only have 4 minutes available for your information gathering.

Well done.

 

[Phrozen Phil]

Why am I responsible for producing game film for you? Did you not know that these games are televised to a national audience on popular stations such as CBS and ESPN throughout the year? Did you not get that memo?

I wish you could realize what a joke you are producing a 4 minute freakin youtube click as your sole source of knowledge on the topic. Watch some games. Get a clue.

I was able to watch an admittedly smal amount of coverage on McFadden this past year. I did see some straight arms and some buting of tackles, but what stood out for mae was the speed. It just seemed that players would set up for hime and he would just run past them before they could make contact. How that translates into the NFL is perhaps the biggest question. He's big, he's fast, and he seems to have a knack for running to daylight. Having said this, there are other impressive RB's in this draft and it makes sense for the Cowboys to get one of them as an upgrade to the running game. Having two backs who can hurt an opposing D would be a major asset heading into next year.