McGee.. Why?

[Howardlittleton64]

Why??? :

Our front office has no idea how to build a football team, from the the Coach to the GM.

 

[Howardlittleton64]

If it ever got to the point that we needed his services, the season would already be over. So, what's the point of using a valuable roster spot on him?

 

[dadymat]

Jerry is the GM, not Garrett. If Jerry thought the roster was better with one of the other guys over McGee than he needs to overrule his coach here.

WOW......all i ever hear is how Jerry needs to step back and let his coaches run the team....and apparently in this case he did ....and now this.....wow

 

[Oh_Canada]

I find it laughable that people were ticked at Jerry for medling, now they are ticked he isn't.

 

[cowboyeric8]

All this rage over a third QB. Only at the zone.

 

[Eskimo]

Well Ireland consulting HC Philbin had nothing at all to do with getting the OK to trade Vontae Davis.

Your explanation is wrong on so many levels that it's jsut not worth argueing with someone that wants to immediately wants to play "Jerry is worthless GM" card.

There is always interaction between the two, GM and HC.

But they don't have the same responsibility and the GM is higher up in the pecking order in most circumstances as it is the GM who hires the coach.

The GM has to hear out his coaches but that is not to say that he will do exactly everything the coach wants because the two of them have different jobs. The HC tends to be much more focused on the current season but the GM has to be more concerned with building a roster and team. GMs usually have this luxury as they are hired and fired much less frequently than coaches so they can usually think on longer timeframes and for a team to succeed someone does have to keep a close eye on what is going to happen next year and two years from now for the franchise.

That is the issue here. Garrett could probably use a #3 QB this year more than a #7 WR or #9 LB. However, the future of that #7 WR or #9 LB may be quite a bit brighter than it is for this #3 QB in this case. McGee has no future here - he is not our future backup, he is not our future starter and he is not a good developmental QB prospect at this stage anymore. He just doesn't process the NFL game fast enough to fit the balls in tight windows. He has to wait for a WR to clear wide open before he'll throw but by then it is usually too late. He gets too distracted by the pass rush instead of focusing his eyes downfield and sidestepping it. He runs when there is no need to do so which puts extra stress on his linemen and leads to unnecessary penalties. These are exactly the same mistakes he has been making since his second year and there has been very little progression.

So what is his role? He is an emergency QB in case Orton and Romo are both injured. That's pretty much well it. For that scenario you can stock a developmental QB on your PS and get much of the same effect without occupying a roster spot.

The decision to keep McGee is foolish and Jerry gets 51% of the blame and Garrett gets 49%.

 

[Bluestang]

I find it laughable that people were ticked at Jerry for medling, now they are ticked he isn't.

WOW......all i ever hear is how Jerry needs to step back and let his coaches run the team....and apparently in this case he did ....and now this.....wow

This is absolutely predictable from this crowd.

 

[Bluestang]

There is always interaction between the two, GM and HC.

But they don't have the same responsibility and the GM is higher up in the pecking order in most circumstances as it is the GM who hires the coach.

The GM has to hear out his coaches but that is not to say that he will do exactly everything the coach wants because the two of them have different jobs. The HC tends to be much more focused on the current season but the GM has to be more concerned with building a roster and team. GMs usually have this luxury as they are hired and fired much less frequently than coaches so they can usually think on longer timeframes and for a team to succeed someone does have to keep a close eye on what is going to happen next year and two years from now for the franchise.

That is the issue here. Garrett could probably use a #3 QB this year more than a #7 WR or #9 LB. However, the future of that #7 WR or #9 LB may be quite a bit brighter than it is for this #3 QB in this case. McGee has no future here - he is not our future backup, he is not our future starter and he is not a good developmental QB prospect at this stage anymore. He just doesn't process the NFL game fast enough to fit the balls in tight windows. He has to wait for a WR to clear wide open before he'll throw but by then it is usually too late. He gets too distracted by the pass rush instead of focusing his eyes downfield and sidestepping it. He runs when there is no need to do so which puts extra stress on his linemen and leads to unnecessary penalties. These are exactly the same mistakes he has been making since his second year and there has been very little progression.

So what is his role? He is an emergency QB in case Orton and Romo are both injured. That's pretty much well it. For that scenario you can stock a developmental QB on your PS and get much of the same effect without occupying a roster spot.

The decision to keep McGee is foolish and Jerry gets 51% of the blame and Garrett gets 49%.

And if you cut McGee and Carpenter doesn't make it to the practice squad you have no one that knows the offense in case Romo and Orton go down. And to have a third emergency QB he needs to be on the active 53, that's why the gameday roster went to 46 rather 45 with the new CBA. McGee has a spot for now but it doesn't mean his spot is solidified.

 

[Howardlittleton64]

And if you cut McGee and Carpenter doesn't make it to the practice squad you have no one that knows the offense in case Romo and Orton go down. And to have a third emergency QB he needs to be on the active 53, that's why the gameday roster went to 46 rather 45 with the new CBA. McGee has a spot for now but it doesn't mean his spot is solidified.

Season is over anyway. Why waste the roster spot? How about keeping someone who can, I don't know, help the team win a game. McGee is a waste of a roster spot, that could have belonged to a guy like Lemon or Coale.

 

[Bluestang]

Season is over anyway. Why waste the roster spot? How about keeping someone who can, I don't know, help the team win a game. McGee is a waste of a roster spot, that could have belonged to a guy like Lemon or Coale.

Last year when McGee played the season wasn't over. So despite what you think you may know, you don't and Garrett seems like a guy that likes to plan for anything.

 

[TheDude]

Last year when McGee played the season wasn't over. So despite what you think you may know, you don't and Garrett seems like a guy that likes to plan for anything.

it was a beat down though...if he had even slightly made it a game, I may see the value. An emergency QB would have been just as good that game

 

[windward]

Wait.

If Jerry overrules his head coach and cuts a player the staff wants he's a meddling GM.

And if he listens to Garrett and keeps a player, he's not doing his due diligence?

Jerry can't win, can he?

Why not hold Garrett accountable for McGee? He's a big boy, he can handle it.

 

[Eskimo]

WOW......all i ever hear is how Jerry needs to step back and let his coaches run the team....and apparently in this case he did ....and now this.....wow

No, if Jerry wants to be the GM then he needs to make the tough decisions GMs are supposed to make or find someone who will make them. If he thinks Garrett is the guy and wants him to be the main decision-maker then Garrett is a GM-coach like Belichek and Reid. Otherwise it would appear Jerry is the GM and needs to make the final decisions.

I know some will say Jerry gets out of the way of his football guys and let's them make the decisions. At times when there is not clear concensus within the whole group someone needs to come forth and make the decision and that is usually the GM. Jerry is the GM here so he is the one who has to weigh all the different POVs when there is significant conflict and make the decision.

I happen to think Jerry is a well below average GM and is a burden to this team's chances of finding success. He couldn't even build a great team after being spotted a franchise QB and an elite pass rusher while only having to spend a single non top 10 draft pick to get them both. Name me another team in the NFL who matches that description. So even when he gets lucky he can't capitalize because all the other decisions are so poor on average.

 

[dadymat]

No, if Jerry wants to be the GM then he needs to make the tough decisions GMs are supposed to make or find someone who will make them. If he thinks Garrett is the guy and wants him to be the main decision-maker then Garrett is a GM-coach like Belichek and Reid. Otherwise it would appear Jerry is the GM and needs to make the final decisions.

I know some will say Jerry gets out of the way of his football guys and let's them make the decisions. At times when there is not clear concensus within the whole group someone needs to come forth and make the decision and that is usually the GM. Jerry is the GM here so he is the one who has to weigh all the different POVs when there is significant conflict and make the decision.

I happen to think Jerry is a well below average GM and is a burden to this team's chances of finding success. He couldn't even build a great team after being spotted a franchise QB and an elite pass rusher while only having to spend a single non top 10 draft pick to get them both. Name me another team in the NFL who matches that description. So even when he gets lucky he can't capitalize because all the other decisions are so poor on average.

so like i said.....no matter what the JJ haters will have an out

 

[Eskimo]

Last year when McGee played the season wasn't over. So despite what you think you may know, you don't and Garrett seems like a guy that likes to plan for anything.

McGee played because Kitna got hurt due to old age, not from a specific football injury. We corrected that problem by bringing in someone still young enough to play football in Orton.

In case you don't remember, McGee played poorly and we got whipped by the Eagles so he didn't really help us out. Then the next week Romo had to play with a badly swollen hand and you could see the offense wasn't running all that well compared to a few weeks earlier. I don't know how much of that was Romo's hand but we couldn't put McGee in because he gave us virtually no chance to win.

Just go back and remember the end of the 2010 season. McGee started the finale against the Eagles when they played a ton of backups and we played all of our starters. We barely beat them on a last minute TD in that game.

If it came down to it in a must-win game, McGee doesn't give us a reasonable shot to win anyway.

You can spin it anyway you want but retaining McGee is a poor decision for this football team. We could put a good football player on that roster with that spot who may help us over the next few years.

 

[Eskimo]

so like i said.....no matter what the JJ haters will have an out

I don't hate Jerry. The supporters of Jerry always have to talk about how people who think he isn't a good GM must "hate" him. I've never met the man. He's done nothing to me personally. I just don't think he does a good job as the GM of the team. I hope he hires someone else who has the acumen and vision to build a football powerhouse. I would suggest poaching someone from the Eagles or Patriots who seem to run their teams really well year after year in this FA era.

 

[Eskimo]

Wait.

If Jerry overrules his head coach and cuts a player the staff wants he's a meddling GM.

And if he listens to Garrett and keeps a player, he's not doing his due diligence?

Jerry can't win, can he?

Why not hold Garrett accountable for McGee? He's a big boy, he can handle it.

Garrett gets plenty of blame for this decision - 49%. If you want 49.999%. However, he isn't the GM so can't make that decision in the end.

 

[Bluestang]

McGee played because Kitna got hurt due to old age, not from a specific football injury. We corrected that problem by bringing in someone still young enough to play football in Orton.

In case you don't remember, McGee played poorly and we got whipped by the Eagles so he didn't really help us out. Then the next week Romo had to play with a badly swollen hand and you could see the offense wasn't running all that well compared to a few weeks earlier. I don't know how much of that was Romo's hand but we couldn't put McGee in because he gave us virtually no chance to win.

Just go back and remember the end of the 2010 season. McGee started the finale against the Eagles when they played a ton of backups and we played all of our starters. We barely beat them on a last minute TD in that game.

If it came down to it in a must-win game, McGee doesn't give us a reasonable shot to win anyway.

You can spin it anyway you want but retaining McGee is a poor decision for this football team. We could put a good football player on that roster with that spot who may help us over the next few years.

So you have to activate 46 for the active roster...


* Denotes STs players


22 on Offense

(3) QBs: Romo, Orton, McGee

(7) OL: Smith, Livings, Costa, Bernadeau, Free, *Parnell, *Cook

(5) WR: Bryant, Austin, *Ogletree, *Harris, *Holmes

(3) TE: Witten, *Phillips, *Hanna

(4) RB/FB: Murray, Jones, *Tanner, *Vickers


21 on Defense

(7) DL: Ratliff, Hatcher, Spears, Coleman, *Crawford, *Brent, *Lissemore

(7) LB: Ware, Spencer, Lee, *Butler, *Albright, Carter, *Connor

(4) CB: Carr, Claiborne, *Scandrick, Jenkins

(3) S: Sensabaugh, Church, *McCray

3 Specialists:

(3) P/K/LS: Jones, Bailey, Ladouceur



So you want to substitute McGee for someone that can contribute:

- Hamilton was not good in ST and he's not taking snaps away from the other OLBs like Spencer, Butler, or Albright. He's not going to be a situational guy that just comes in the be a pass rusher and not contribute on STs.

- Dunbar wouldn't get any carries over any of the RBs currently on the roster and he couldn't beat out Tanner in ST in practice.

- Olawale see above.


So on gameday who do you try to carry extra or go long at to help you in STs and in the game that will be useful on STs?

If it were me I'd carry Silva over McGee and he helps you on STs, but in no way does carrying McGee affect the 53 because you are going long at some positions already on gameday.

 

[KB1122]

1) What do fans expect of a 3rd quarterback? Most teams don't have 2 quarterbacks that can play. Yet people here say things like they expect to have a third quarterback who can come in and play. I would submit that McGee is better than most 3rd quarterbacks in the league.

2) What is a reasonable thing to expect out of a quarterback chosen in the fourth round? I would say backup. 2nd if you're lucky. 3rd if you're not. Looking over recent 4th round quarterbacks I found this list: David Garrard, Kyle Orton, Seneca Wallace, Stephen McGee, Mike Kafka (just cut) and some dude. That's one decent starter. I would say McGee is in the middle of that group. There is not a current starter in the league that was taken in the fourth round. Based on that, I would say that McGee has probably reached about his potential. So I don't understand the hostility, or why people judge him by placing unlikely expectations on him, such as developing into a starter.

3) We're having a lively discussion over in the cuts thread about this. I hold that developing a mid-round quarterback into a champion is mostly an NFL myth. Champion quarterbacks are either high-draft picks or later picks who are starting by the end of their second season. The idea of drafting a quarterback in a middle round, letting him carry a clipboard for four years, hoping studies his playbook, takes his vitamins and gets his sleep, etc. so that in 7 years he can lead you to a championship .... that is almost a complete myth. So personally, I think it's unfair to place that "developmental" expectation onto his shoulders and then being frustrated or disappointed that he hasn't achieved it.

I would never use a fourth-round pick on a quarterback. Too much value at other positions to take a player whose likely ceiling is rarely-playing backup. But that's a front office mistake, not a failure on McGee's part, IMO.

 

[dadymat]

I don't hate Jerry. The supporters of Jerry always have to talk about how people who think he isn't a good GM must "hate" him. I've never met the man. He's done nothing to me personally. I just don't think he does a good job as the GM of the team. I hope he hires someone else who has the acumen and vision to build a football powerhouse. I would suggest poaching someone from the Eagles or Patriots who seem to run their teams really well year after year in this FA era.

what have the Eagles won that has impressed you so?.....and the Pats havent won a bowl in what 8 years?...jerry would never get that support from you after such a drought..

and just so you know (which i know you already do) there is a difference in hating someone and hating ON someone......

I personally think that from 1996 to 2005 Jerry was a terrible GM...but I also think he has grown into the job, and now i do view him as a football man and a good GM