McGinn: Anonymous Scouts On Surtain, Farley and Horn

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Patrick Surtain II, Alabama (6-foot-2, 202 pounds): Third-year junior, three-year starter. “I think he’s better than (Baltimore’s) Marlon Humphrey coming out,” one scout said. “He’s technically sound. He’s ready right now. Loves the games. Competes. Same guy every day. They all rave about this guy (at Alabama).” His father, Patrick, had 37 interceptions in an 11-year NFL career and made the Pro Bowl twice. “His dad ran 4.52 for me,” a second scout said. “I estimated the son would run 4.50. I watched nine games this year and a bunch of games last year. I question his top-end speed. They play so much zone, and he’s got help most of the time. Good football player. He’s got a little bit of hip tightness to him. That’s the thing that bothers me about him. He has to gather when he changes direction. Once he comes out of it, he can close.”

Picked off four passes to go with 24 passes defensed for the Crimson Tide. “He’s the best guy,” said a third scout. “Wow athlete for his size, got pedigree, effortless in coverage. He’s not an ***-kicker as a tackler, but he’s big and can run and cover people. He’s a sure thing.”

Caleb Farley, Virginia Tech (6-foot-2, 207 pounds): High-school quarterback who began his collegiate career as a cornerback, spent the spring of 2017 as a wide receiver before moving back to corner that fall. “He’s not a finished product yet,” one scout said. “Huge ceiling. He’ll eventually be a No. 1. He’s got the size to cover big targets and the speed to cover fast guys. Big personality. Is he mentally tough enough? He did have a back injury in 2019 that (teams) must figure out. He’s new to the position, but he has instincts and feel.”

Suffered a torn ACL in August 2017 and redshirted. Started in 2018 and ’19 before opting out of ’20. “I have him bottom of the second round,” said a second scout. “He’s my No. 6 corner. He has length and speed. He’s very linear and not very strong. He will struggle against some physical wide receivers in the NFL. You’ve got to be able to change direction, be strong and be competitive. Those are his three biggest weaknesses. When they run a slant or comeback, or get in his face, I don’t know what he’s going to do. If you’re picking in the top 15, you want a guy who can compete with some of that stuff.” Finished with six picks and 19 passes defensed. “He’s not a top pick,” a third scout said. “He’s big and fast, but he’s a press guy only. When he’s off, he’s rigid and stiff. Run support is average for a guy that big. He’s a Seattle-type guy. I’m just not crazy about his overall talent.”

Jaycee Horn, South Carolina (6-foot-1, 205 pounds): His father, Joe, was a quirky four-time Pro Bowl receiver for the Chiefs, Saints and Falcons from 1996-07. “We’re not holding Joe against him,” one scout said, laughing. “(Jaycee) is the least talented of the top five, but maybe the best football player. He’s not a 4.3 guy. He’s probably high 4.4s. But he’s tough, competitive and super instinctive. Takes the ball away. Physical in coverage. He’s a little bit grabby, and probably will go through some growing pains because he’s so physical in coverage.”

Third-year junior, three-year starter. “He’s a dog,” a second scout said admiringly after ranking Horn No. 1. “Plays the game the right way. He’s a big, physical guy on the outside, which is hard to find these days.” Another scout said Horn was “top 15, definitely.” Said a fourth scout: “I’m not sold on him yet. He kind of scares me. He’s got wonderful size. He can be inside, outside. You can match him up. He’s a physical player. He’s a good athlete, not a great athlete.” Had two career interceptions. “The whole thing with him will get down to speed,” a fifth scout said. “If he can run, he becomes a first-rounder.”
 
I feel pretty confident in Surtain; intrigued by Horn for the ***-kickingness; am neither in Farley, though he's obviously a good prospect.
 
Patrick Surtain II, Alabama (6-foot-2, 202 pounds): Third-year junior, three-year starter. “I think he’s better than (Baltimore’s) Marlon Humphrey coming out,” one scout said. “He’s technically sound. He’s ready right now. Loves the games. Competes. Same guy every day. They all rave about this guy (at Alabama).” His father, Patrick, had 37 interceptions in an 11-year NFL career and made the Pro Bowl twice. “His dad ran 4.52 for me,” a second scout said. “I estimated the son would run 4.50. I watched nine games this year and a bunch of games last year. I question his top-end speed. They play so much zone, and he’s got help most of the time. Good football player. He’s got a little bit of hip tightness to him. That’s the thing that bothers me about him. He has to gather when he changes direction. Once he comes out of it, he can close.”

Picked off four passes to go with 24 passes defensed for the Crimson Tide. “He’s the best guy,” said a third scout. “Wow athlete for his size, got pedigree, effortless in coverage. He’s not an ***-kicker as a tackler, but he’s big and can run and cover people. He’s a sure thing.”

Caleb Farley, Virginia Tech (6-foot-2, 207 pounds): High-school quarterback who began his collegiate career as a cornerback, spent the spring of 2017 as a wide receiver before moving back to corner that fall. “He’s not a finished product yet,” one scout said. “Huge ceiling. He’ll eventually be a No. 1. He’s got the size to cover big targets and the speed to cover fast guys. Big personality. Is he mentally tough enough? He did have a back injury in 2019 that (teams) must figure out. He’s new to the position, but he has instincts and feel.”

Suffered a torn ACL in August 2017 and redshirted. Started in 2018 and ’19 before opting out of ’20. “I have him bottom of the second round,” said a second scout. “He’s my No. 6 corner. He has length and speed. He’s very linear and not very strong. He will struggle against some physical wide receivers in the NFL. You’ve got to be able to change direction, be strong and be competitive. Those are his three biggest weaknesses. When they run a slant or comeback, or get in his face, I don’t know what he’s going to do. If you’re picking in the top 15, you want a guy who can compete with some of that stuff.” Finished with six picks and 19 passes defensed. “He’s not a top pick,” a third scout said. “He’s big and fast, but he’s a press guy only. When he’s off, he’s rigid and stiff. Run support is average for a guy that big. He’s a Seattle-type guy. I’m just not crazy about his overall talent.”

Jaycee Horn, South Carolina (6-foot-1, 205 pounds): His father, Joe, was a quirky four-time Pro Bowl receiver for the Chiefs, Saints and Falcons from 1996-07. “We’re not holding Joe against him,” one scout said, laughing. “(Jaycee) is the least talented of the top five, but maybe the best football player. He’s not a 4.3 guy. He’s probably high 4.4s. But he’s tough, competitive and super instinctive. Takes the ball away. Physical in coverage. He’s a little bit grabby, and probably will go through some growing pains because he’s so physical in coverage.”

Third-year junior, three-year starter. “He’s a dog,” a second scout said admiringly after ranking Horn No. 1. “Plays the game the right way. He’s a big, physical guy on the outside, which is hard to find these days.” Another scout said Horn was “top 15, definitely.” Said a fourth scout: “I’m not sold on him yet. He kind of scares me. He’s got wonderful size. He can be inside, outside. You can match him up. He’s a physical player. He’s a good athlete, not a great athlete.” Had two career interceptions. “The whole thing with him will get down to speed,” a fifth scout said. “If he can run, he becomes a first-rounder.”
Surtain is the safest pick by far. The injuries to Farley scare me. Horne is a dog but want more from my corners then attitude.
 
Grain of salt...if you asked other scouts across the league I'd bet others would have the opposite and different rankings.

Farley is still clear cut #1 for me. I'm also not sure I'd have Horn as 3 on my list due to the athleticism. Need to watch more but I'd probably have Newsome / Stokes ahead.
 
None of these guys screams I am a lock at 10. Give me Slater.
 
With those reviews, I'm staying away from Farley.
Besides, I think Surtain was bred to be a NFL football player.
I think he has a longer, better career than Farley.
Lol takes 1 report for you to be out? You dudes on here are hilarious how yall listen to these tv experts and unnamed sources.
 
Waay too many ?s......

That’s my thing with Farley. For all we know, he turns into an All Pro. But I just feel like it’s not going to be here.

I prefer Surtain, who has lower ceiling but likely is a 10 year starter in this league at worst.
 
-Surtain isn't a top 10 talent. He is going to have to cover speed receivers without help over the top. Our division have these type of players.
-Horn is going to be a flag machine in the NFL. I do not want a player looking for the flag after every play.
-Farley has the tools, but has the most risk. Is the best athlete by far, which this front office always covets. He may run in the 4.2 range.

I do like Farley the best, but I am ok drafting a corner later, due to the depth at the position. Think the likes of Slater, Pitts are more sure fire pro bowl type players then the 3 above.
 
Y'all are really getting shook by a handful of anonymous scouts, huh?

We all know these things are ridiculous. But some the quotes do echo things people have been saying this whole time. I don't put much weight into the quotes, though I admit it's easy to get suckered in,especially when they're saying things you already believe
 
-Surtain isn't a top 10 talent. He is going to have to cover speed receivers without help over the top. Our division have these type of players.
-Horn is going to be a flag machine in the NFL. I do not want a player looking for the flag after every play.
-Farley has the tools, but has the most risk. Is the best athlete by far, which this front office always covets. He may run in the 4.2 range.

I do like Farley the best, but I am ok drafting a corner later, due to the depth at the position. Think the likes of Slater, Pitts are more sure fire pro bowl type players then the 3 above.

Pretty good assessment here. I think there's less risk with Farley than you do but pretty much aligned to the rest.
 
For me, it has been Surtain from the start. I do like Farley as a prospect but I’d rather have Surtain and it is an easy decision for me.

I kind of have a list of things that I like to see from defensive back prospects. Kind of running through that list, it just isn’t close:

Experience: Surtain by a lot
Technique: Surtain by a lot
Mental Processing: Surtain by a lot
Toughness: Surtain
Been Coached Hard: Surtain
DB Instincts: Surtain by a lot
Eyes: Surtain by a lot
Complex Coverage Concepts: Surtain by a lot
Size: Tie
Strength: Surtain
Speed: Farley
Injury History: Surtain by a lot
Played In Better Conference: Surtain
Coached By NFL DB Since Birth: Surtain

Those are all things that I think are important to playing DB in the NFL. I was half-kidding with the last one (coached since birth)... but that does really help a guy out if he’s lucky enough to have had it, like Surtain did.

Everything in that list that has to do with the mental part of football is heavily slanted towards Surtain and away from Farley.

Surtain has an advantage in all but two categories, and most of them are a big advantage for him. Farley does win the speed but that is literally the only one he has an advantage in. He does tie for size, which is good for both... but I can’t look at that list and say that I’d rather have Farley.

I have learned along the way not to put too much stock into 40 times.

Anyway, like I said, I do like Farley and I have since the start of draft season... but I like Surtain a good bit more and if both are on the board, I’d take Surtain every time. He’s the better player IMO and the speed difference doesn’t come close to evening out the scales for me.

Incidentally, I think Surtain is going to run better than a lot of people think. We will see for sure, soon enough.

JMO
 

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