McGinn - Quarterbacks

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http://www.jsonline.com/sports/pack...pects-quarterbacks-b99486130z1-301167651.html

The Journal Sentinel's Bob McGinn assesses the top quarterbacks in next week's draft. Included is each player's height, weight, 40-yard dash time and projected round.

1. MARCUS MARIOTA, Oregon (6-3 ½, 222, 4.45, 1): Captured 2014 Heisman Trophy with the second-largest margin of victory ever. "He has a strong arm," one scout said. "He throws on the move as well as anybody I've seen. Mechanics are good. He threw three interceptions this year. Only negative is he carries the ball loose and he has fumbled. He's got the athletic ability to be an all-time great." Posted a 36-5 record and 121.3 passer rating (128.4 in '14) on the NFL scale. "He's like a better Colin Kaepernick," another scout said. "This guy is smarter and farther along." Fourth-year junior was lightly recruited out of Honolulu. Tied Brett Hundley for best vertical jump (36 inches) among QBs and had the best 20-yard shuttle (6.87). His 40 time wasn't as good as Michael Vick's 4.33 in 2001 or Robert Griffin III's 4.36 in 2012, but it was easily the fastest at the position this year. "I would much rather have this guy than Winston," a third scout said. "At least you're going to get the best he has all the time." Also rushed for 2,237 yards (6.6-yard average) and 29 touchdowns. "Ben (Roethlisberger) took everything in shotgun at Miami (Ohio), too," a fourth scout said. "He doesn't have Ben's arm. I do like a lot of things he brings to the table. But that running thing in the NFL? The guy (Griffin III) who plays for the Commanders found out that doesn't work." Scored 33 on the 50-question Wonderlic intelligence test.

2. JAMEIS WINSTON, Florida State (6-4, 231, 4.96, 1):Third-year sophomore won the Heisman Trophy in 2013 for the national champion Seminoles. "He's an unbelievable competitor," said one scout. "The football stuff, he embraces that. He's not a great athlete, but he has great instincts, awareness and a knack in the pocket. He's not going to dominate you just off pure physical ability. He will beat you with his mind, his patience. He sees things at a rate that a lot of good quarterbacks in the league take four, five years to see." Engineered numerous fourth-quarter come-from-behind victories in posting a 26-1 record and passer rating of 107.9. Better in 2013 (125.8) than in '14 (93.2), when his interception count swelled from 10 to 18. "I've seen too many interceptions," another scout said. "He's your drop-back guy, but he's got that long release. It kind of reminds me of the guy who used to play for Marshall (Byron Leftwich)." Played right field for FSU in 2013 and served as the closer in '14, using a mid-90s fastball to post a 1.94 earned run average in 60 career innings. "Jameis has gotten too big," said a third scout. "In high school (Bessemer, Ala.) he was a quick-twitch athlete. Now he's kind of sluggish." Posted dismal workout numbers at the combine. "I had no idea he'd run that poorly," a fourth scout said. "Quarterbacks without leg explosiveness have a terrible history. I don't like his off-field and I don't like the way he conducts himself on the field sometimes." Wonderlic of 27.

3. BRYCE PETTY, Baylor (6-3, 229, 4.83, 2): Battling to surpass Robert Griffin as coach Art Briles' best NFL QB. "He plays in a kid's offense, like a Thanksgiving Day game offense," one scout said. "He's going to have to be retooled. He's got size, feet, quickness of release, a strong arm. How long will it take to reshape him?" Never called a play for the Bears in Briles' high-octane, simplistic, shotgun attack. "I remember Art saying he's a better passer than Griffin and a similar athlete but not as fast," a second scout said. "If you're an athlete, don't you think you can get under center? Problem is, everybody wants instant success today." Two-year starter from Midlothian, Texas. Played with a bad back most of 2014. Passer rating was 114.3. "He's Christian Ponder-like with a better arm," a third scout said. "Somebody's trying to create something there. I'm not going to rule out that he won't start some games. But then people will realize he has some deficiencies." Wonderlic of 31. Said a fourth scout: "He's accurate deep — at times. In a quarterback-friendly system he's not very accurate (62.7%)."
 

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If Shane Carden falls all the way to the 7th, we should take him. Really,he's worth a 5th, but I want us us spending it on another position.

He has it all, except many (including me) worried about his arm strength.

Well now he's been working with some gurus and it turns out his arm is fairly strong but his feet and hips weren't in proper synch.
He's improved his velocity greatly and already had the super QB brain, swagger, and accuracy.
 

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If Shane Carden falls all the way to the 7th, we should take him. Really,he's worth a 5th, but I want us us spending it on another position.

He has it all except many (including game) worried about his arm strength.

Well now he's been working with so e gurus and it turns out his arm is fairly strong but his feet and hips weren't in proper synch.
He's improved his velocity greatly and already had the super QB brain, swagger, and accuracy.

I agree - love his moxie. He has a little Romo to him in his game.
 

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I think this being a weak class is extremely overblown. 2013 was a weak class. This class is infinity better. To me this class is pretty much as average as they come with expection being its really thin on draftable prospect late. A draft 2 potential top 5 talents. 3 potential first round talents. And 5 total Day 1 / Day 2 picks may not be strong, but its not weak either. A more accurate assessment is that its very average.

Labeling it "weak" is getting to be very group think
 

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Its weak if the top 2 guys have a legitimate shot of being a bust.
 

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Its weak if the top 2 guys have a legitimate shot of being a bust.

Every year the top 2 guys have a legit shot at being a bust unless that guy is Andrew Luck. There were just as many questions about Ryan, Stafford, Bradford, Newton, and even more questions about Bortles then there are about Winston. And most of Winstons questions are maturity, on pure football ability, he is as solid as any QB prospect not named Luck.
 
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