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Found it interesting in today's draft profile by Mcginn that an unnamed scout/scouts brought up dexter coakley, Dat nguyen and Sean Lee when doing player comparisons for this year's crop of linebackers.

https://www.***NOT-ALLOWED***.com/p/part-7-lb-who-is-green-dot-worthy

What are the odds a non cowboy scout references 3 past cowboys? Low. So who is the masked man?!
 
The quotes in question:




1. DEVIN LLOYD, Utah (6-3, 237, 4.68, 1): Fifth-year senior, four-year starter. “He’s good, not great,” one scout said. “He’s not (Luke) Kuechly. He’s not Sean Lee. He’s a good, solid player.”

2. NAKOBE DEAN, Georgia (5-11, 231, no 40, 1-2): Third-year junior, two-year starter with a degree in mechanical engineering. “Smartest guy on the team, and that defense is very, very complicated,” one scout said.

“Put on the tape and all he does is make plays. Not a great three-down player because he’s probably a 4.65 guy, and to take a guy in the first he’s got to be able to play all three downs. Jonathan Vilma is a good comparison. Reminds me of Dat Nguyen.” Was advised not to run the 40, and he didn’t at the combine or pro day.Another scout estimated his speed at 4.68. “He’s probably a 4.65 to 4.75,” a third scout said. “He didn’t have a good pro day. He stumbled and bumbled and fell down at Georgia. He’s like this spiritual ringleader of the Georgia defense. He’s all heart, all head and all that. But when I watched the tape I said, ‘OK, this is a good player, but if you put him up against the smallest linebackers — Dexter Coakley, Ernie Sims, Jonathan Vilma — he’s not as explosive physically as those guys.
 
Everything I've heard about Nakobe Dean is that he is frickin' brilliant. How many LB prospects do you see with both that level of whiteboard smarts and that level of on-field football smarts to immediately read plays.

I'm not even worried about his 40. Quay Walker ran 4.52 and Tindall ran 4.47, and Dean out-produced both.

I don't really like his fit in Dallas, as he will need to be protected against inside runs and we don't have the DL to do that. But someone is getting instant green-dot, quarterback of the defense material.
 
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locked&loaded said:
The quotes in question:

2. NAKOBE DEAN, Georgia (5-11, 231, no 40, 1-2): Third-year junior, two-year starter with a degree in mechanical engineering. “Smartest guy on the team, and that defense is very, very complicated,” one scout said.

“Put on the tape and all he does is make plays. Not a great three-down player because he’s probably a 4.65 guy, and to take a guy in the first he’s got to be able to play all three downs. Jonathan Vilma is a good comparison. Reminds me of Dat Nguyen.” Was advised not to run the 40, and he didn’t at the combine or pro day.Another scout estimated his speed at 4.68. “He’s probably a 4.65 to 4.75,” a third scout said. “He didn’t have a good pro day. He stumbled and bumbled and fell down at Georgia. He’s like this spiritual ringleader of the Georgia defense. He’s all heart, all head and all that. But when I watched the tape I said, ‘OK, this is a good player, but if you put him up against the smallest linebackers — Dexter Coakley, Ernie Sims, Jonathan Vilma — he’s not as explosive physically as those guys.
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This is interesting info. I have similar conclusions about Dean. He was on a bit of one-year hype train coming off last season and a lot of folks don’t want to acknowledge his warts. I see a guy that has some physical and athletic limitations.

The speed doesn’t bother me because he does seem to have great anticipation which makes up for speed to a certain extent. I do think he has some stiffness to him laterally and changing directions. When you saw him at his best is when he was firing through a gap on a blitz or running to a point to meet someone. IMO he does not move that great in space.

None of this to say he doesn’t turn out to be a good NFL player. I just don’t necessarily see the transcendent player some believe him to be. I would have liked to see him produce more for a longer period of time at Georgia.
 
This is what I've been saying re: Lloyd. He'll make plays but he's not the bedrock he's touted as

"Better as a big-play artist than really down to down. He would make a pick or force a fumble or rush in and make a sack. On a down-to-down basis, he wasn’t much for getting off a block and run in and make a tackle. He made a lot of splash plays for an off-the-ball linebacker but maybe wasn’t as consistent as I hoped he would be."
 
beware_d-ware said:
Everything I've heard about Nakobe Dean is that he is frickin' brilliant. How many LB prospects do you see with both that level of whiteboard smarts and that level of on-field football smarts to immediately read plays.

I'm not even worried about his 40. Quay Walker ran 4.52 and Tindall ran 4.47, and Dean out-produced both.

I don't really like his fit in Dallas, as he will need to be protected against inside runs and we don't have the DL to do that. But someone is getting instant green-dot, quarterback of the defense material.
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It helped Dean, that he had the 2 first round DT in front of him....kept him clean, run downhill.
 
sbark said:
It helped Dean, that he had the 2 first round DT in front of him....kept him clean, run downhill.
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He had a great front 4 rotation for sure.

3 potential 1st rounders in this draft and for sure another 1 or 2 next draft.

And the LB talent around him was also excellent.
 
beware_d-ware said:
Everything I've heard about Nakobe Dean is that he is frickin' brilliant. How many LB prospects do you see with both that level of whiteboard smarts and that level of on-field football smarts to immediately read plays.

I'm not even worried about his 40. Quay Walker ran 4.52 and Tindall ran 4.47, and Dean out-produced both.

I don't really like his fit in Dallas, as he will need to be protected against inside runs and we don't have the DL to do that. But someone is getting instant green-dot, quarterback of the defense material.
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He QB'd the best D in college ball and defined sideline to sideline.

However, he had a better DL than the Cowboys have and the OL could not get to him to block him. He played the Lee Roy Jordan, Bob Breunig, Ken Norton or Randall Godfrey role in their defense when the Cowboys had better defenses.

I like him but they need to fix the front first.
 
BAT said:
https://www.milehighreport.com/2022/4/26/23019331/2022-nfl-draft-profile-troy-andersen

Troy Andersen is inexperienced LB but such high IQ that he wore the green dot.

He is also extremely explosive at 6'3 245 4.42.

Very interesting.

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8. TROY ANDERSEN, Montana State (6-3 ½, 240, 4.43, 3): Born and raised in Dillon, Mont., where his family are cattle ranchers. Carried 90 times for 515 yards (5.7) as a freshman RB, rushed for 21 touchdowns as the starting QB as a sophomore and started 25 games at LB from 2019-’21 (the ’20 season was cancelled). “This is a fascinating story,” one scout said. “He’s not a take-on guy. He’s a flow guy. He sits and waits and catches, but once he sees where the ball’s going the guy can run. Best in space. He does have tightness in zone drops.” Ran the fastest 40 by a LB. His short shuttle (4.07) and 3-cone (6.77) times were the best, too, indicating rare athletic ability. “He has great testing numbers,” said another scout. “There’s level of competition, but when he was at the Senior Bowl he stuck out. That’s good. He probably could do that (wear the green dot).” Finished with 214 tackles (27 ½ for loss), 10 ½ sacks, 15 passes defensed and no forced fumbles. “He’s no good,” a third scout said. “He’s got tons of stat production but he has no idea how to play. Kind of stands around and when he finally sees it he goes and runs. Straight-line guy. Plays upright. Gets caught up in blocks. Doesn’t change direction well. Doesn’t shed well. Very disappointing.” Wonderlic of 29. “Like him,” said a fourth scout. “He’s got upside. He’s only played the position for a year and a half.”
 
locked&loaded said:
8. TROY ANDERSEN, Montana State (6-3 ½, 240, 4.43, 3): Born and raised in Dillon, Mont., where his family are cattle ranchers. Carried 90 times for 515 yards (5.7) as a freshman RB, rushed for 21 touchdowns as the starting QB as a sophomore and started 25 games at LB from 2019-’21 (the ’20 season was cancelled). “This is a fascinating story,” one scout said. “He’s not a take-on guy. He’s a flow guy. He sits and waits and catches, but once he sees where the ball’s going the guy can run. Best in space. He does have tightness in zone drops.” Ran the fastest 40 by a LB. His short shuttle (4.07) and 3-cone (6.77) times were the best, too, indicating rare athletic ability. “He has great testing numbers,” said another scout. “There’s level of competition, but when he was at the Senior Bowl he stuck out. That’s good. He probably could do that (wear the green dot).” Finished with 214 tackles (27 ½ for loss), 10 ½ sacks, 15 passes defensed and no forced fumbles. “He’s no good,” a third scout said. “He’s got tons of stat production but he has no idea how to play. Kind of stands around and when he finally sees it he goes and runs. Straight-line guy. Plays upright. Gets caught up in blocks. Doesn’t change direction well. Doesn’t shed well. Very disappointing.” Wonderlic of 29. “Like him,” said a fourth scout. “He’s got upside. He’s only played the position for a year and a half.”
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LOL.........yep, sounds like Jaylo Smith. Sits back and waits.
 
I personally don’t want to use a day 1 or 2 pick on any of these guys. Better prospects at more important positions throughout the first 3 rounds.
 
locked&loaded said:
8. TROY ANDERSEN, Montana State (6-3 ½, 240, 4.43, 3): Born and raised in Dillon, Mont., where his family are cattle ranchers. Carried 90 times for 515 yards (5.7) as a freshman RB, rushed for 21 touchdowns as the starting QB as a sophomore and started 25 games at LB from 2019-’21 (the ’20 season was cancelled). “This is a fascinating story,” one scout said. “He’s not a take-on guy. He’s a flow guy. He sits and waits and catches, but once he sees where the ball’s going the guy can run. Best in space. He does have tightness in zone drops.” Ran the fastest 40 by a LB. His short shuttle (4.07) and 3-cone (6.77) times were the best, too, indicating rare athletic ability. “He has great testing numbers,” said another scout. “There’s level of competition, but when he was at the Senior Bowl he stuck out. That’s good. He probably could do that (wear the green dot).” Finished with 214 tackles (27 ½ for loss), 10 ½ sacks, 15 passes defensed and no forced fumbles. “He’s no good,” a third scout said. “He’s got tons of stat production but he has no idea how to play. Kind of stands around and when he finally sees it he goes and runs. Straight-line guy. Plays upright. Gets caught up in blocks. Doesn’t change direction well. Doesn’t shed well. Very disappointing.” Wonderlic of 29. “Like him,” said a fourth scout. “He’s got upside. He’s only played the position for a year and a half.”
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How can a guy that has the fastest shuttle and three cone be a straight line guy with no change of direction?
 
Fla Cowpoke said:
How can a guy that has the fastest shuttle and three cone be a straight line guy with no change of direction?
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Still learning position.

Could use Sean Lee as position coach.

An injured Lee was practically in LVE and Jaylon's brains when they both had their best season.

Lee talked to them on helmet mike and before-after each snap.
 
BAT said:
Still learning position.

Could use Sean Lee as position coach.

An injured Lee was practically in LVE and Jaylon's brains when they both had their best season.

Lee talked to them on helmet mike and before-after each snap.
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I like him after the 2nd round
 
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