McNabb to D.C.: Elway Redux, or Bledsoe, the Sequel?

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McNabb to D.C.: Elway Redux, or Bledsoe, the Sequel?
by Rafael Vela on Apr 5, 2010 12:32 AM CDT 44 comments

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In the last piece, I offered a brief view of the Commanders' rationale for acquiring Donovan McNabb. But what of Philly's thinking? Andy Reid certainly didn't dither too much over the trade, figuring the high 2nd the Commanders offered may have more value than anything Oakland may have offered. Recent history may be on his side. Let's take a quick look at some of the intra-division QB trades, which have tilted heavily in the trader's favor.

Let's begin by looking again at Washington's reasoning.

Both members of their football operation, GM Bruce Allen and HC Mike Shanahan, know the value of veteran QBs, Shanahan more than Allen. Shanahan had presided over one of modern football's most prolific offenses in the '94 49ers, and the team was eager to keep him in house, as heir-apparent to incumbent George Seifert. However, John Elway's presence helped sway Shanahan to the mountains.

Shanahan was quite successful with Elway, winning two Super Bowls in the '97 and '98 seasons. Yet, Broncos partisans and rivals never let him forget that he never approached that success after Elway retired. Denver did play in an AFC Championship Game in January '06, but Jake Plummer was outgunned by Ben Roethlisberger. Shanahan's offense produced solid numbers for Brian Griese, Plummer and Jay Cutler, but Shanahan could never develop a signal caller to rival the salty old veteran he inherited.

Combine that with low odds of obtaining Sam Bradford (Washington lacks young depth to trade and already lacked a 3rd round pick) and the lure of McNabb became quite strong. Add an impulsive owner, who has never met a potential free agent he didn't like and you have the conditions for a deal.



Reid's deal indicates he does not fear McNabb. Why else would he trade him to a team he has to face twice a season? Let's look at the recent trade of a quarterback in a similar situation -- New England's trade of Drew Bledsoe to Buffalo in 2002. Bledsoe had been a good but not great starter, who let his team to the Super Bowl in '96. He racked up impressive stats and led the Patriots to the playoffs, but once Tom Brady emerged, the Pats did not hesitate to trade Bledsoe.

What's more, they traded him to division rival Buffalo, who felt Bledsoe could be the missing piece they needed for a playoffs return. The Bills had been contenders under HC Wade Phillips and QB Doug Flutie but had cratered under HC Gregg Williams, dropping to 3-13 in '02.

The Patriots knew Bledsoe would help Buffalo, and indeed the Bills jumped up to 8-8 during Bledsoe's first year, but Bill Belichick never feared that Bledsoe would hurt his team: Bledsoe went 1-5 against his old team. He caught the Pats flat-footed in the '03 season opener, beating them 31-0. When the team met in the rematch, the Pats shut Drew's Bills out, by the same 31-0 score.

I'm not going to compare Kevin Kolb to Tom Brady, but the Bledsoe comparison may fit. He's leaving a team that has been a playoff contender for nearly all of his career, but which appears to be re-tooling. He's also joining a team which bottomed out, much like the '02 Bills. Washington has talent, but they went 4-12 last year and appear far from contention. McNabb may indeed add several games to their total, but his old team must feel it can contain him. Reid would not have made the trade otherwise. You may have several choice adjectives for Eagles fans, but "shy" will never be among them. They will never let Reid live this trade down if McNabb haunts them.

Cowboys fans know the Bledsoe deal from the good side. In 1974 they shipped Craig Morton to the rival Giants in a trading deadline deal. New York was trying to kick-start a season which had started 1-4. Dallas had also started 1-4 and felt the 1st round pick obtained in the deal could help restock their aging squad.

Morton had been a valued player, but was not feared by his old team. He made his first Giants start against Dallas and was sacked four times in a 21-7 loss. The Cowboys went 6-0 against Morton. Five of his losses were as a Giant. The last one occurred in Super Bowl 12, where the the Cowboys rush knocked Morton out early. (One of Morton's tormentors that day was Randy White, the tackle Dallas drafted with the Giants' pick.)

Which avenue will McNabb take? Will he play Elway II at Fed Ex field? Shanahan's passing game isn't much different from Reid's, so the adjustment should be quick.

Or, will McNabb instead be Bledsoe II, or Morton II? The last time Cowboys' fans watched McNabb, he played air-guitar to display his "looseness" in the wild-card playoff game warmups. He fooled nobody on the Cowboys defense once the game began. The Cowboys coaches respect Shanahan, but they probably figure McNabb is McNabb, regardless of which jersey he wears, and they were absolutely inside his head last January.

The Eagles also saw that false-calm, and seem convinced they need to be on the opposing sideline the next time Donovan decides to jam.

Let's rock.
 

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DanTanna;3333977 said:
I seriously hope for Mark Brunell II !!! :)

So late TD's in Dallas on a Monday night for a Commanders win?

I love it too ;)


I think McNabb will be McNabb. Terrific regular season QB, win a playoff game, and that'll be that. We'll see
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3334019 said:
So late TD's in Dallas on a Monday night for a Commanders win?

I love it too ;)

Unfortunately for you, we relased #31.

SkinsHokieFan;3334019 said:
I think McNabb will be McNabb. Terrific regular season QB, win a playoff game, and that'll be that. We'll see

McNabb saw his last playoff game of his career in Dallas.
 

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For the record, comparing McNabb to Elway is ridiculous.

The Bledsoe comparison makes much more sense.
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3334019 said:
So late TD's in Dallas on a Monday night for a Commanders win?

hurrimadurr.jpg
 

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The skins aren't near as talented as the donkeys were back then, so their chnces of going all the way right off the bat are just about nill imo.
 

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HoleInTheRoof;3334037 said:
For the record, comparing McNabb to Elway is ridiculous.

The Bledsoe comparison makes much more sense.

:hammer: :hammer:

A serious case can be made for John Elway being the greatest quarterback of all time. Elway consistently made his teams overachieve and had ice water in his veins in crunchtime whereas McNabb was a guy who found ways to 'dry heave' (choke) when it mattered most. These guys are in totally different classes.
 

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BeWare94;3334509 said:
:hammer: :hammer:

A serious case can be made for John Elway being the greatest quarterback of all time. Elway consistently made his teams overachieve and had ice water in his veins in crunchtime whereas McNabb was a guy who found ways to 'dry heave' (choke) when it mattered most. These guys are in totally different classes.

Well, prior to Shanahan Elway got to Superbowls but was soundly beaten, even more badly each time

Superbowl 21 vs Giants 39-20

Superbowl 22 vs Commanders 42-10

Superbowl 24 vs 49ers 55-10

Elway is in a class far above McNabb. You however cannot discount McNabb's career, which featured the likes of Todd Pinkston as his supporting cast
 

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once again, no matter the move the Skin fans defend it.

Which leaves me confused, because telling from Skin fans Campbell was number 2 or 1 QB in the NFCE, and now they have McNabb and some here are thinking its a good idea. Which is it Skin fans?


Now does Jason Campbell get released or the starter, or the back up, I cant wait til tomorrow to see how this goes?
 

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ShiningStar;3334576 said:
once again, no matter the move the Skin fans defend it.

Which leaves me confused, because telling from Skin fans Campbell was number 2 or 1 QB in the NFCE, and now they have McNabb and some here are thinking its a good idea. Which is it Skin fans?


Now does Jason Campbell get released or the starter, or the back up, I cant wait til tomorrow to see how this goes?

Where/when have I ever posted that?

Are the Commanders better today then yesterday? Easily
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3334552 said:
Well, prior to Shanahan Elway got to Superbowls but was soundly beaten, even more badly each time

Superbowl 21 vs Giants 39-20

Superbowl 22 vs Commanders 42-10

Superbowl 24 vs 49ers 55-10

Elway is in a class far above McNabb. You however cannot discount McNabb's career, which featured the likes of Todd Pinkston as his supporting cast

Sure you aren't just spinning it because you got McChoke?
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3334633 said:
Where/when have I ever posted that?

Are the Commanders better today then yesterday? Easily

No fair. It would be hard for them to be worse.
 

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BeWare94;3334716 said:
Sure you aren't just spinning it because you got McChoke?

Whats there to spin. Look at Elway's career pre Shanahan as head coach (stats, wins, Superbowl wins, etc) and compare them to McNabb (its really hard for me not type McFlabb, McNugget or McChoke, believe me :laugh2: )

Here is Elway

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/E/ElwaJo00.htm

McNabb

http://www.pro-football-reference.com/players/M/McNaDo00.htm

Do I expect 4 years from now McNabb is hoisting the Lombardi trophy with Shanahan? Naa, I don't think he has the intestinal fortitude to win a Superbowl

Do I think he will be pretty good and have the Commanders contending for the playoffs the next 2-3 seasons? Yea, I do.
 

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One other note about the Elway-McNabb parallels

Elway was sacked 46 times the year before Shanahan arrived. Denver's first pick that year was in round 4. A tackle. That was the only tackle taken that draft by Denver. That season, Elway was sacked 22 times. The first time he had been sacked less than 30 times since 1988.

Somehow Shanahan schemed and game planned well enough to prevent Elway from getting pounded to the turf in 1995.

Btw, Elways attempts actually increased from 492 to 542 from 94 to 95.
 

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Every offseason every damn offseason is the same it it starts out with skins fans saying how much they hate Snyder and how they're not gonna fall for any of his shenanigans again then the first big signing comes and it's off to CZ to talk about the coming SB dynasties and what not.

You make it sound like Shannahan is a guaranteed SB because he once won a couple with Terrel Davis and Elway...


I've never liked McNabb, i think the guy's is just the biggest ******bag ever, i've lost count of how many times this dude has either thrown his own team under the buss or played the race card when criticized for one of his many chokes. Comparing him to Elway is just absurd. Him in Philly was the perfect match for me,.. well almost :laugh1:

xmas seems to have come early this year :muttley:
 

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Ren;3335114 said:
Every offseason every damn offseason is the same it it starts out with skins fans saying how much they hate Snyder and how they're not gonna fall for any of his shenanigans again then the first big signing comes and it's off to CZ to talk about the coming SB dynasties and what not.

You make it sound like Shannahan is a guaranteed SB because he once won a couple with Terrel Davis and Elway...
SkinsHokieFan;3334746 said:
Do I expect 4 years from now McNabb is hoisting the Lombardi trophy with Shanahan? Naa, I don't think he has the intestinal fortitude to win a Superbowl

Do I think he will be pretty good and have the Commanders contending for the playoffs the next 2-3 seasons? Yea, I do.


I sense a disconnect, here lol.

Either that, or Cowboyszone has become a Straw Man Debating seminar center.
 

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SkinsHokieFan;3334633 said:
Where/when have I ever posted that?

Are the Commanders better today then yesterday? Easily


Did i say you personally no. I said the fanbase, which is just as good as when the Cowboys drafted Watkins and I heard how good he was going to be. need we re visit that?

But you have to admit, i am sure you heard some fans saying how great Campbell is and now that the team has McNabb, somehow they are better.
 

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ShiningStar;3335251 said:
Did i say you personally no. I said the fanbase, which is just as good as when the Cowboys drafted Watkins and I heard how good he was going to be. need we re visit that?

But you have to admit, i am sure you heard some fans saying how great Campbell is and now that the team has McNabb, somehow they are better.
"Some" fans? sure. But the feelings on getting McNabb--especially using that high 2nd rounder--are running the gamut from extremely excited to extremely critical, and most fans on Extremeskins don't like that we gave up the draft pick and are hoping Shanahan and Allen find some way of getting another draft pick (trading down, trade Campbell/Landry/Haynesworth/Whoever, etc, etc). If they somehow CAN get, say, a 3rd rounder through some maneuvering a lot of ES members will feel better about having McNabb on the team.

Visit Extremeskins (if you can stomach being in "enemy territory" lol) and you'd get a much different perspective.
 

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Califan007;3335258 said:
"Some" fans? sure. But the feelings on getting McNabb--especially using that high 2nd rounder--are running the gamut from extremely excited to extremely critical, and most fans on Extremeskins don't like that we gave up the draft pick and are hoping Shanahan and Allen find some way of getting another draft pick (trading down, trade Campbell/Landry/Haynesworth/Whoever, etc, etc). If they somehow CAN get, say, a 3rd rounder through some maneuvering a lot of ES members will feel better about having McNabb on the team.

Visit Extremeskins (if you can stomach being in "enemy territory" lol) and you'd get a much different perspective.


ACtually I do visit ES, hard to stay because when they find you to be a Cowboy fan, banning comes easier there.

But again, Im not saying all fans or particular fans, but every offseason is the same for the skins nation "WE WIN IN APRIL BABY"!!!!!!!!

AFter it being screamed this year would be different, doesnt really seem to be panning out that way.
 
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