McShay top 32/Kiper Big Board 1/28/15....

[Risen Star]

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McShay

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/mock/?season=2015&version=9&source=Todd-McShay-Top-32

1.. Leonard Williams* DE USC
2.. Jameis Winston* QB Florida St.
3.. Shane Ray* DE Missouri
4.. Randy Gregory* DE Nebraska
5.. Amari Cooper* WR Alabama

6.. Marcus Mariota* QB Oregon
7.. Danny Shelton DT Washington
8.. DeVante Parker WR Louisville
9.. Arik Armstead* DE Oregon
10. Brandon Scherff T Iowa

11. Andrus Peat* T Stanford
12. Kevin White WR West Virginia
13. Dante Fowler Jr.* DE Florida
14. Landon Collins* S Alabama
15. Melvin Gordon* RB Wisconsin

16. Ereck Flowers* T Miami
17. Eddie Goldman* DT Florida St.
18. Marcus Peters* CB Washington
19. T.J. Clemmings T Pittsburgh
20. Trae Waynes* CB Michigan St.

21. Vic Beasley OLB Clemson
22. Devin Funchess* WR Michigan
23. Todd Gurley* RB Georgia
24. Devin Smith WR Ohio St.
25. La'el Collins T LSU

26. Denzel Perryman ILB Miami
27. Maxx Williams* TE Minnesota
28. Carl Davis DT Iowa
29. Jaelen Strong* WR Arizona St.
30. Malcom Brown DT Texas
31. Dorial Green-Beckham* WR Oklahoma
32. Phillip Dorsett WR Miami

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Kiper

http://insider.espn.go.com/nfl/draft/mock/?season=2015&version=15&source=Mel-Kiper-Big-Board

1.. Jameis Winston* QB Florida St.
2.. Leonard Williams* DL USC
3.. Amari Cooper* WR Alabama
4.. Marcus Mariota* QB Oregon
5.. Randy Gregory* DE Nebraska

6.. Shane Ray* DE Missouri
7.. Danny Shelton DT Washington
8.. DeVante Parker WR Louisville
9.. Brandon Scherff T Iowa
10. Landon Collins* S Alabama

11. Melvin Gordon* RB Wisconsin
12. Dante Fowler Jr.* DE Florida
13. Kevin White WR West Virginia
14. Vic Beasley OLB Clemson
15. T.J. Clemmings T Pittsburgh

16. Shaq Thompson* OLB Washington
17. Eddie Goldman* DT Florida St.
18. Ereck Flowers* T Miami
19. Arik Armstead* DE Oregon
20. Malcom Brown DT Texas

21. La'el Collins T LSU
22. Trae Waynes* CB Michigan St.
23. Maxx Williams* TE Minnesota
24. Marcus Peters* CB Washington
25. Bud Dupree OLB Kentucky

 

[Dwight]

It's interesting that Michael Bennett is not listed.

But I still want Ereck Flowers to drop to the 27th pick. Wishful thinking on my part.

 

[DBOY3141]

Devin Smith is the 24th best player according to McShay???

 

[big dog cowboy]

Thanks RS.

 

[Stash]

Can someone explain to me the credentials of Todd McShay and why people care what he thinks?

I've never understood it.

 

[Stash]

It's interesting that Michael Bennett is not listed.

But I still want Ereck Flowers to drop to the 27th pick. Wishful thinking on my part.

How would you feel about Cedric Ogbuehi in the second round?

 

[Dwight]

How would you feel about Cedric Ogbuehi in the second round?

Stasheroo, I would love it. My only concern is his torn ACL.

Can he bounce back from that? He played right tackle before and I feel he would solidify an already good offensive line.

 

[Stash]

Stasheroo, I would love it. My only concern is his torn ACL.

Can he bounce back from that? He played right tackle before and I feel he would solidify an already good offensive line.

I would too. And I think we would be getting first round value in the second round as a direct result of injury.

We've shown a willingness to do that before with Both Sean Lee and Bruce Carter so the precedent is there.

I think it would be great if we could essentially 'redshirt' a first round talent to provide depth and eventually take over at RT next year or thereafter.

 

[Risen Star]

Can someone explain to me the credentials of Todd McShay and why people care what he thinks?

I've never understood it.

I respect anyone who works the draft year round. McShay has played the game, he's been a part of Scouts Inc. for years. I fail to see why he would have no credibility. I guarantee he's watched this group of players more than anyone reading this.

That's not to say you should agree with everything he says but to dismiss him as some hack with no credentials is just wrong.

McShay lives the draft. I respect that. A guy like Bryan Broaddus, who decides every January to start watching some film and learning the names of players so he can answer draft questions in couple of weeks. That I do not respect.

 

[Stash]

I respect anyone who works the draft year round. McShay has played the game, he's been a part of Scouts Inc. for years. I fail to see why he would have no credibility. I guarantee he's watched this group of players more than anyone reading this.

That's not to say you should agree with everything he says but to dismiss him as some hack with no credentials is just wrong.

It's nothing personal against you as I appreciate you taking the time to share the information. It's just that my opinion of Todd McShay is just not very high. I've seen far too many of his highly-regarded players turn out to be flat-out busts.

I think it's one thing to 'put time in' and yet another to actually be able to identify talent. I've never seen a time where McShay has ever 'nailed it'.

McShay lives the draft. I respect that. A guy like Bryan Broaddus, who decides every January to start watching some film and learning the names of players so he can answer draft questions in couple of weeks. That I do not respect.

That's a fair point, and if Broaddus was that good, he'd have a job with a team. But, as I said, McShay has never impressed me and I'm still not sure why anyone would listen to what he has to say, especially based on his track record.

It's always felt to me that ESPN just brought in 'another guy' to disagree with Kiper and give ESPN that controversy they so desperately crave.

 

[Risen Star]

So who do you respect then, Stash? Because they all miss and miss badly.

What NFL team hits on all their draft picks? Then why would you expect any draft analyst to be so perfect?

 

[unionjack8]

phillip dorsett at 32? holy senior bowl over reaction

 

[Stash]

So who do you respect then, Stash? Because they all miss and miss badly.

What NFL team hits on all their draft picks? Then why would you expect any draft analyst to be so perfect?

I think both Kiper and Mayock are significantly better than McShay.

And as I avoid ESPN whenever I can, Mayock's analysis is the one I prefer.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Can someone explain to me the credentials of Todd McShay and why people care what he thinks?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_McShay

That is all I got. Oh, he does get paid for all his work.

 

[Stash]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Todd_McShay

That is all I got. Oh, he does get paid for all his work.

Thanks!

 

[Alexander]

Devin Smith is the 24th best player according to McShay???

I do not understand how a WR that is as limited as Smith gets this kind of grading. He is fast but is hardly a polished product. Some team might reach on him in the first, but I thought these grades were based on how the pundit views their talent.

 

[mickswag]

phillip dorsett at 32? holy senior bowl over reaction

Brugler was talking a bit about this on the Draft Show. He was saying that eventually there'd be talk of him going in the late first because of his speed and Senior bowl performance.

 

[xwalker]

phillip dorsett at 32? holy senior bowl over reaction

Brugler was talking a bit about this on the Draft Show. He was saying that eventually there'd be talk of him going in the late first because of his speed and Senior bowl performance.

My first reaction is that I wouldn't touch 5'9-1/2" WR in the 1st, but then I think of DeSean Jackson. Dorset and Jackson are the same height and Dorset weighs 14 pounds more than Jackson did at the combine.

 

[tm1119]

My first reaction is that I wouldn't touch 5'9-1/2" WR in the 1st, but then I think of DeSean Jackson. Dorset and Jackson are the same height and Dorset weighs 14 pounds more than Jackson did at the combine.

Small and speedy WR's aren't such a crazy concept once you take away the DB's ability to touch the WR....Hell, the NFL's leading WR is listed at 5'10 186...TY Hilton is another great example. I can definitely see it becoming more and more of a trend unless the rules are tweaked back to normal(ish)

 

[TwoCentPlain]

Devin Smith is the 24th best player according to McShay???

I think Devin Smith is one of the more promising players in this draft class. I think he will be a solid player. I don't think he will go top 24 but I think whoever takes him will be very happy. It is a deep WR class this year. But, he has the potential to be one of the better WRs of this draft. No one knows what will happen. Just have to wait and see.