Mediocrity vs. change

[gimmesix]

Jerry and Stephen Jones believe the way to success lies in stability at the head coaching position. It's somewhat understandable that they feel that way considering the lack of success overall we had switching from Gailey to Campo to Parcells to Phillips to Garrett.

But the Eagles are the latest team to show that change can be a good thing, that you've got to keep searching until you find a coach that has "it" or hits on the right formula for temporary success at the least. Pederson took his team to a Super Bowl championship in his second year as a head coach. The previous year Dan Quinn did the same for the Falcons.

It took Ron Rivera a little more time in Carolina to get the Panthers to the Super Bowl in 2015 (five years) but his opponent, Gary Kubiak, got Denver there his first year.

Even Jimmy Johnson had us trending up and then Super Bowl champions within four years. However, that was before free agency and the salary cap took hold, which I think makes it easier for coaches to turn a team around quickly. And if you look at Bill Belichick, his long-term success in New England began with winning a Super Bowl in his second year as coach there.

So what does this mean for Dallas? Eight years is more than enough time to see that the process isn't what wins championships. It's finding a coach who can do the most with the talent you have on the team now; one with a vision that adding a few key pieces can complete.

Jerry needs to learn from his past. When he came here, he cast aside a coach who is much better than Garrett will ever be but whose time had come to bring in a fresh, new approach. That led to three Super Bowl victories in four years. We might not catch lightning in a bottle again, but that certainly doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

This comes from someone who has not been against Garrett as a head coach. The trend is just too hard to ignore even going back beyond the coaches I mentioned. There's Pete Carroll (it took four years in Seattle), John Fox (two years in Carolina, three years in Denver), John Harbaugh (five years in Baltimore, but AFC Championship Game in first year), Jim Harbaugh (two years in San Francisco), Tom Coughlin (four years in New York), Mike McCarthy (five years in Green Bay, but NFC Championship Game in second year), Mike Tomlin (two years), Sean Payton (four years in New Orleans, but NFC Championship Game in first year) and Jim Caldwell (first year with Indianapolis). That's your Super Bowl coaches since 2010, with few outside of Belichick having sustained Super Bowl success.

 

[Sydla]

Jerry and Stephen Jones believe the way to success lies in stability at the head coaching position. It's somewhat understandable that they feel that way considering the lack of success overall we had switching from Gailey to Campo to Parcells to Phillips to Garrett.

But the Eagles are the latest team to show that change can be a good thing, that you've got to keep searching until you find a coach that has "it" or hits on the right formula for temporary success at the least. Pederson took his team to a Super Bowl championship in his second year as a head coach. The previous year Dan Quinn did the same for the Falcons.

It took Ron Rivera a little more time in Carolina to get the Panthers to the Super Bowl in 2015 (five years) but his opponent, Gary Kubiak, got Denver there his first year.

Even Jimmy Johnson had us trending up and then Super Bowl champions within four years. However, that was before free agency and the salary cap took hold, which I think makes it easier for coaches to turn a team around quickly. And if you look at Bill Belichick, his long-term success in New England began with winning a Super Bowl in his second year as coach there.

So what does this mean for Dallas? Eight years is more than enough time to see that the process isn't what wins championships. It's finding a coach who can do the most with the talent you have on the team now; one with a vision that adding a few key pieces can complete.

Jerry needs to learn from his past. When he came here, he cast aside a coach who is much better than Garrett will ever be but whose time had come to bring in a fresh, new approach. That led to three Super Bowl victories in four years. We might not catch lightning in a bottle again, but that certainly doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

This comes from someone who has not been against Garrett as a head coach. The trend is just too hard to ignore even going back beyond the coaches I mentioned. There's Pete Carroll (it took four years in Seattle), John Fox (two years in Carolina, three years in Denver), John Harbaugh (five years in Baltimore, but AFC Championship Game in first year), Jim Harbaugh (two years in San Francisco), Tom Coughlin (four years in New York), Mike McCarthy (five years in Green Bay, but NFC Championship Game in second year), Mike Tomlin (two years), Sean Payton (four years in New Orleans, but NFC Championship Game in first year) and Jim Caldwell (first year with Indianapolis). That's your Super Bowl coaches since 2010, with few outside of Belichick having sustained Super Bowl success.

I've mentioned this multiple times.

Of the, now, 32 coaches that have won a Super Bowl, 28 have won that SB within the first 5 years of being the HC of that team. Pederson continued that trend winning a SB in Year 2. The four who took longer were:

Noll - But he coached in an AFC Champ game in his 4th year and won SBs in Years 6 and Years 7.

Madden - He coached in an AFL Champ Game and two AFC Champ games in his first 5 years in Oakland. Won a SB in Year 8.

Landry - He took over a new franchise and had to build the team from scratch. Was coaching in a NFL Champ game in Year 7.

Cowher - Took him the longest to win a SB but he coached in two AFC Champ games and one SB in his first 5 years.

If Jason Garrett goes on to win a SB, he will be the first coach in this history of the NFL that won a SB without at least coaching in a conference title game in his first 5 years on the job.

 

[ufcrules1]

If Jason Garrett goes on to win a SB, he will be the first coach in this history of the NFL that won a SB without at least coaching in a conference title game in his first 5 years on the job.

We ALL know JG is never going to win a super bowl. Just seeing how good the coaching was last night, you KNOW there is no way JG can coach like that.

 

[gimmesix]

I've mentioned this multiple times.

Of the, now, 32 coaches that have won a Super Bowl, 28 have won that SB within the first 5 years of being the HC of that team. Pederson continued that trend winning a SB in Year 2. The four who took longer were:

Noll - But he coached in an AFC Champ game in his 4th year and won SBs in Years 6 and Years 7.

Madden - He coached in an AFL Champ Game and two AFC Champ games in his first 5 years in Oakland. Won a SB in Year 8.

Landry - He took over a new franchise and had to build the team from scratch. Was coaching in a NFL Champ game in Year 7.

Cowher - Took him the longest to win a SB but he coached in two AFC Champ games and one SB in his first 5 years.

If Jason Garrett goes on to win a SB, he will be the first coach in this history of the NFL that won a SB without at least coaching in a conference title game in his first 5 years on the job.

Yes, before looking at this more closely, I was somewhat willing to jump to Garrett's defense, because he has had 12-4 and 13-3 seasons. But it seems pretty clear based on this that if a coach, especially in this day and age, hasn't got you there in five years, it's time to move on. Considering the caliber of QB Garrett was given, the failure is even more telling.

 

[Brooksey]

But Jason was coach of the year last year

 

[GenoT]

You guys should be ashamed for disrespecting The Process!!?!

 

[Zman5]

What are you talking about? JG shutout the SB champs in their own house and beat them 6-0.
And that was with SB MVP as the starting QB. The process is working fine. Give JG 20 more years. He'll get us there. Book it.

 

[IrishAnto]

Jerry and Stephen Jones believe the way to success lies in stability at the head coaching position. It's somewhat understandable that they feel that way considering the lack of success overall we had switching from Gailey to Campo to Parcells to Phillips to Garrett.

But the Eagles are the latest team to show that change can be a good thing, that you've got to keep searching until you find a coach that has "it" or hits on the right formula for temporary success at the least. Pederson took his team to a Super Bowl championship in his second year as a head coach. The previous year Dan Quinn did the same for the Falcons.

It took Ron Rivera a little more time in Carolina to get the Panthers to the Super Bowl in 2015 (five years) but his opponent, Gary Kubiak, got Denver there his first year.

Even Jimmy Johnson had us trending up and then Super Bowl champions within four years. However, that was before free agency and the salary cap took hold, which I think makes it easier for coaches to turn a team around quickly. And if you look at Bill Belichick, his long-term success in New England began with winning a Super Bowl in his second year as coach there.

So what does this mean for Dallas? Eight years is more than enough time to see that the process isn't what wins championships. It's finding a coach who can do the most with the talent you have on the team now; one with a vision that adding a few key pieces can complete.

Jerry needs to learn from his past. When he came here, he cast aside a coach who is much better than Garrett will ever be but whose time had come to bring in a fresh, new approach. That led to three Super Bowl victories in four years. We might not catch lightning in a bottle again, but that certainly doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

This comes from someone who has not been against Garrett as a head coach. The trend is just too hard to ignore even going back beyond the coaches I mentioned. There's Pete Carroll (it took four years in Seattle), John Fox (two years in Carolina, three years in Denver), John Harbaugh (five years in Baltimore, but AFC Championship Game in first year), Jim Harbaugh (two years in San Francisco), Tom Coughlin (four years in New York), Mike McCarthy (five years in Green Bay, but NFC Championship Game in second year), Mike Tomlin (two years), Sean Payton (four years in New Orleans, but NFC Championship Game in first year) and Jim Caldwell (first year with Indianapolis). That's your Super Bowl coaches since 2010, with few outside of Belichick having sustained Super Bowl success.

As I've said elsewhere, the problem has less to do with Garrett and more to do with J&S Jones.

Belichick failed in Cleveland.

Was it because hep was a bad coach in the 90's or was it more to do with the Brown's organization?

I know where I place the blame.

And this post is not an endorsement of J.G.

 

[mardwin]

As I've said elsewhere, the problem has less to do with Garrett and more to do with J&S Jones.

Belichick failed in Cleveland.

Was it because hep was a bad coach in the 90's or was it more to do with the Brown's organization?

I know where I place the blame.

And this post is not an endorsement of J.G.

Belichick is an X's and O's guy... JG is freaking clueless.

 

[Kevinicus]

As I've said elsewhere, the problem has less to do with Garrett and more to do with J&S Jones.

Belichick failed in Cleveland.

Was it because hep was a bad coach in the 90's or was it more to do with the Brown's organization?

I know where I place the blame.

And this post is not an endorsement of J.G.

He didn't really "fail." He had the team on the upswing and they made the playoffs, and then the team decided to move and they all quit.

 

[gimmesix]

As I've said elsewhere, the problem has less to do with Garrett and more to do with J&S Jones.

Belichick failed in Cleveland.

Was it because hep was a bad coach in the 90's or was it more to do with the Brown's organization?

I know where I place the blame.

And this post is not an endorsement of J.G.

I totally agree that they are part of the problem, but that's not a problem that can be fixed. Coaching is a problem that can be fixed.

Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones' egos clashed, but we won because Johnson was the right coach at the right time to do it. We're not succeeding with Garrett under Jones' watch, so we need to keep looking.

 

[IrishAnto]

He didn't really "fail." He had the team on the upswing and they made the playoffs, and then the team decided to move and they all quit.

He had one winning season (his 3rd).
His 4th season was a loosing one.
Ultimately the FO is the determining factor whether an organisation succeeds or fails and our FO is the main culprit here

 

[IrishAnto]

He didn't really "fail." He had the team on the upswing and they made the playoffs, and then the team decided to move and they all quit.

He had one winning season (his 3rd).
His 4th season was a loosing one.
Ultimately the FO is the determining factor whether an organisation succeeds or fails and our FO is the main culprit here

 

[gimmesix]

I totally agree that they are part of the problem, but that's not a problem that can be fixed. Coaching is a problem that can be fixed.

Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones' egos clashed, but we won because Johnson was the right coach at the right time to do it. We're not succeeding with Garrett under Jones' watch, so we need to keep looking.

If Garrett becomes head coach elsewhere and wins a Super Bowl, then we can put all the blame on the Joneses.

 

[Kevinicus]

He had one winning season (his 3rd).
His 4th season was a loosing one.
Ultimately the FO is the determining factor whether an organisation succeeds or fails and our FO is the main culprit here

His 4th season was when they (I'm including the city here as well) quit when the team decided to move. His first two years were an improvement over the two previous years (3-13, 6-10), and then the 3rd year they were 11-5 and won a playoff game). They were headed in the right direction before the franchise bailed on the city.

 

[IrishAnto]

I totally agree that they are part of the problem, but that's not a problem that can be fixed. Coaching is a problem that can be fixed.

Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones' egos clashed, but we won because Johnson was the right coach at the right time to do it. We're not succeeding with Garrett under Jones' watch, so we need to keep looking.

JJ & JJ won in an era of the NFL that has gone the way of the leather helmet and the flying wedge.

What’s has either done in the current era?

What makes you think J&S Jones will choose the right HC and be able to properly support him?

The Lions, Browns, Bills keep looking too but it doesn’t seem to make much of a difference.

 

[Aven8]

Jerry and Stephen Jones believe the way to success lies in stability at the head coaching position. It's somewhat understandable that they feel that way considering the lack of success overall we had switching from Gailey to Campo to Parcells to Phillips to Garrett.

But the Eagles are the latest team to show that change can be a good thing, that you've got to keep searching until you find a coach that has "it" or hits on the right formula for temporary success at the least. Pederson took his team to a Super Bowl championship in his second year as a head coach. The previous year Dan Quinn did the same for the Falcons.

It took Ron Rivera a little more time in Carolina to get the Panthers to the Super Bowl in 2015 (five years) but his opponent, Gary Kubiak, got Denver there his first year.

Even Jimmy Johnson had us trending up and then Super Bowl champions within four years. However, that was before free agency and the salary cap took hold, which I think makes it easier for coaches to turn a team around quickly. And if you look at Bill Belichick, his long-term success in New England began with winning a Super Bowl in his second year as coach there.

So what does this mean for Dallas? Eight years is more than enough time to see that the process isn't what wins championships. It's finding a coach who can do the most with the talent you have on the team now; one with a vision that adding a few key pieces can complete.

Jerry needs to learn from his past. When he came here, he cast aside a coach who is much better than Garrett will ever be but whose time had come to bring in a fresh, new approach. That led to three Super Bowl victories in four years. We might not catch lightning in a bottle again, but that certainly doesn't mean we shouldn't try.

This comes from someone who has not been against Garrett as a head coach. The trend is just too hard to ignore even going back beyond the coaches I mentioned. There's Pete Carroll (it took four years in Seattle), John Fox (two years in Carolina, three years in Denver), John Harbaugh (five years in Baltimore, but AFC Championship Game in first year), Jim Harbaugh (two years in San Francisco), Tom Coughlin (four years in New York), Mike McCarthy (five years in Green Bay, but NFC Championship Game in second year), Mike Tomlin (two years), Sean Payton (four years in New Orleans, but NFC Championship Game in first year) and Jim Caldwell (first year with Indianapolis). That's your Super Bowl coaches since 2010, with few outside of Belichick having sustained Super Bowl success.

Sighhhhhhhhhhhhhh....................................................................

 

[IrishAnto]

I totally agree that they are part of the problem, but that's not a problem that can be fixed. Coaching is a problem that can be fixed.

Jimmy Johnson and Jerry Jones' egos clashed, but we won because Johnson was the right coach at the right time to do it. We're not succeeding with Garrett under Jones' watch, so we need to keep looking.

JJ & JJ won in an era of the NFL that has gone the way of the leather helmet and the flying wedge.

What’s has either done in the current era?

What makes you think J&S Jones will choose the right HC and be able to properly support him?

The Lions, Browns, Bills keep looking too but it doesn’t seem to make much of a difference.

 

[gimmesix]

As I've said elsewhere, the problem has less to do with Garrett and more to do with J&S Jones.

Belichick failed in Cleveland.

Was it because hep was a bad coach in the 90's or was it more to do with the Brown's organization?

I know where I place the blame.

And this post is not an endorsement of J.G.

I think the fact that coaches like Belichick have failed elsewhere shows that it's often about the situation as a coach. Pete Carroll's first two NFL head coaching jobs didn't go great. Gary Kubiak was 61-64 with the Texans. Coughlin was 68-60 with Jacksonville. Etc.

Garrett has not been successful in this situation, so someone else should be given the chance. It could turn out worse, but it could be just what the team needs to get over the hump.

 

[gimmesix]

JJ & JJ won in an era of the NFL that has gone the way of the leather helmet and the flying wedge.

What’s has either done in the current era?

What makes you think J&S Jones will choose the right HC and be able to properly support him?

The Lions, Browns, Bills keep looking too but it doesn’t seem to make much of a difference.

Who knows if they will? Does that mean we should stand pat?

To me, if a successful pattern emerges and your guy doesn't fit the pattern, then you give someone else a chance. It's clear that Super Bowl-winning coaches get it done within their first five years, with few exceptions, so Garrett doesn't fit the pattern.

If we blame the Joneses (even if they bear responsibility), then we're no better than they are in giving Garrett an excuse for failure.