Mel and Todd Podcast today...."Class Superlatives"

[Risen Star]

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=15356079

I listened to their podcast today and they were rapid firing players in different categories. It's scattershot but I copied most down for those interested.


Underrated

McShay
Jerell Adams TE South Carolina
Adam Gotsis DT Georgia Tech
Justin Simmons S Boston College
Ryan Smith North Carolina Central

Kiper
Kentrell Brothers ILB Missouri
Rashard Higgins WR Colorado St.
Su'a Cravens OLB/S USC
Javon Hargrave DT South Carolina St.


Overrated

McShay
A'Shawn Robinson DT Alabama
Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia

Kiper
Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia
Kevin Dodd DE Clemson
Andrew Billings DT Baylor
Paxton Lynch QB Memphis


Risers

McShay
Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia
Artie Burns CB Miami
William Jackson III CB Houston
Alex Lewis T Nebraska
Germain Ifedi T Texas A&M

Kiper
Justin Simmons S Boston College
Cyrus Jones CB Alabama
Charles Tapper DE Oklahoma
Xavien Howard CB Baylor


Sliders

McShay
Vernon Hargreaves CB Florida
Mackensie Alexander CB Clemson

Kiper
Vernon Hargreaves CB Florida


Best Athletes

McShay
Laremy Tunsil T Mississippi
Jalen Ramsey CB Florida St.
Jaylon Smith OLB Notre Dame
Myles Jack OLB UCLA
Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia
Justin Simmons S Boston College
Daniel Lasco RB California

Kiper
Dadi Nicolas OLB Virginia Tech
Jalen Ramsey CB Florida St.
Justin Simmons S Boston College
Travis Feeney OLB Washington
Daniel Lasco RB California
Corey Coleman WR Baylor
Sterling Shepard WR Oklahoma


Most Pro Ready

McShay
Joey Bosa DE Ohio St.
Reggie Ragland ILB Alabama
Keanu Neal S Florida
Ryan Kelly C Alabama
Nick Martin C Notre Dame
Jordan Payton WR UCLA

Kiper
Jack Conklin T Michigan St.
Rashard Higgins WR Colorado St.
Tyler Boyd WR Pittsburgh
Josh Doctson WR TCU
Leonte Caroo WR Rutgers (He was asked to name some WRs pro ready)


Most Physical

McShay
Karl Joseph S West Virginia
Keanu Neal S Florida
Jack Conklin T Michigan St.
Laquon Treadwell WR Mississippi
Esekiel Elliott RB Ohio St.

Kiper
Karl Joseph S West Virginia


Favorite Day 3 player

McShay
Tavon Young CB Temple
Paul Perkins RB UCLA
Kelvin Taylor RB Florida
Beau Sandland TE Montana St.
Ben Braunecker TE Harvard

Kiper
James Bradberry CB Samford
Victor Ochi OLB Stony Brook
DeAndre Houston-Carson S William & Mary
Kevin Byard S Middle Tennessee St.
Tyler Ervin RB San Jose St.


Best Hands

McShay
Josh Doctson WR TCU
Jordan Payton WR UCLA
Leonte Carroo WR Rutgers
Sterling Shepard WR Oklahoma

Kiper
Josh Doctson WR TCU
Rashard Higgins WR Colorado St.
Von Bell S Ohio St.
Darian Thompson S Boise St.
Harlan Miller CB Southeastern Louisiana

Best Route Runner

McShay
Rashard Higgins WR Colorado St.
Daniel Braverman WR Western Michigan

Kiper
Rashard Higgins WR Colorado St.

 

[stilltheguru88]

Always liked Higgins.

 

[Fla Cowpoke]

Thanks for posting.

It is kind of interesting when you have two "draftniks" and ask them the same questions and get so many different answers to a given question...however I guess when you are asking them at the same time they probably are alternating guys.

 

[Sydla]

What are these two thinking not naming Elliott one of the most "pro ready"?

Shoot, Elliott is beyond pro ready....... He's ready for sainthood.

 

[tm1119]

Really hope Simmons makes it to our 3rd rounder.

 

[NEODOG]

If we some how end up with Ramsey & Neal...... Dear God I pray for the other team.....

 

[Leadbelly]

There's always a few every year, but I've been surprised there's so little affection for Justin Simmons around the draftnik web. Film looks great. Highly productive. Super athlete. Intangibles. Not super physical but an ideal smart FS prospect.

Also...

Favorite Day 3 player

McShay
Tavon Young CB Temple
Paul Perkins RB UCLA
Kelvin Taylor RB Florida
Beau Sandland TE Montana St.
Ben Braunecker TE Harvard

Kiper
James Bradberry CB Samford
Victor Ochi OLB Stony Brook
DeAndre Houston-Carson S William & Mary
Kevin Byard S Middle Tennessee St.
Tyler Ervin RB San Jose St.

Yes please. Young has a lot of Scandrick qualities.

Also like Gotsis. Don't think he'd fit here, but a 3-4 team somewhere is going to get a good player.

 

[Risen Star]

McShay also had Paxton Lynch in his most overrated. Missed that one.

 

[Bigdog]

What are these two thinking not naming Elliott one of the most "pro ready"?

Shoot, Elliott is beyond pro ready....... He's ready for sainthood.

He and Wentz according to this board, lol.

 

[AzorAhai]

What are these two thinking not naming Elliott one of the most "pro ready"?

Shoot, Elliott is beyond pro ready....... He's ready for sainthood.

I heard the NFL is rescheduling the HoF game to accommodate whatever team drafts him. He's going to be the 1st player to be inducted into the HoF and play in the HoF game the same weekend. Rare stuff here.

 

[Irvin88_4life]

McShay also had Paxton Lynch in his most overrated. Missed that one.

Which I don't get cause most people know he is raw and needs much development

 

[Risen Star]

He and Wentz according to this board, lol.

If you listen to the podcast a lot of times they were naming players besides the ones at the very top of the draft.

 

[Gaede]

There are a few safeties I like in this draft, Simmons is one of them. Bell, Thompson, Davis, Joseph, Neal. There will be some quality players there in rounds 2-3

I think any of those guys could step in tomorrow and do better than Wilcox. A few of them are actually ballhawks too

 

[hendog]

Simmons, Joseph, Bell and Davis are on my wish list!

 

[DFWJC]

Which I don't get cause most people know he is raw and needs much development

I think he means compared to those talking of taking him in the mid 1st round or higher.
Can't recall a team taking a QB they see as developmental (even with big upside) that early. Those player are reserved for a bit later than that.
They would have to see him as less developmental and more NFL ready usually.

So maybe no slight to Lynch as much as the some of the ratings.

 

[DFWJC]

I like Jordan Payton if he can be had fairly late
Higgins too

Wish they hadn't mentioned Simmons. lol Though what say shouldn't affect any GMs' decisions.

And as far as cover safeties, I think Vonn Bell is very good. But there's so much talent at 34, I wouldn't want him there. Later though.

 

[conner01]

Dodd over rated kinda surprised me. I've kinda liked him

 

[LandryFan]

http://espn.go.com/espnradio/play?id=15356079

I listened to their podcast today and they were rapid firing players in different categories. It's scattershot but I copied most down for those interested.


Underrated

McShay
Jerell Adams TE South Carolina
Adam Gotsis DT Georgia Tech
Justin Simmons S Boston College
Ryan Smith North Carolina Central

Kiper
Kentrell Brothers ILB Missouri
Rashard Higgins WR Colorado St.
Su'a Cravens OLB/S USC
Javon Hargrave DT South Carolina St.


Overrated

McShay
A'Shawn Robinson DT Alabama
Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia

Kiper
Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia
Kevin Dodd DE Clemson
Andrew Billings DT Baylor
Paxton Lynch QB Memphis


Risers

McShay
Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia
Artie Burns CB Miami
William Jackson III CB Houston
Alex Lewis T Nebraska
Germain Ifedi T Texas A&M

Kiper
Justin Simmons S Boston College
Cyrus Jones CB Alabama
Charles Tapper DE Oklahoma
Xavien Howard CB Baylor


Sliders

McShay
Vernon Hargreaves CB Florida
Mackensie Alexander CB Clemson

Kiper
Vernon Hargreaves CB Florida


Best Athletes

McShay
Laremy Tunsil T Mississippi
Jalen Ramsey CB Florida St.
Jaylon Smith OLB Notre Dame
Myles Jack OLB UCLA
Leonard Floyd OLB Georgia
Justin Simmons S Boston College
Daniel Lasco RB California

Kiper
Dadi Nicolas OLB Virginia Tech
Jalen Ramsey CB Florida St.
Justin Simmons S Boston College
Travis Feeney OLB Washington
Daniel Lasco RB California
Corey Coleman WR Baylor
Sterling Shepard WR Oklahoma


Most Pro Ready

McShay
Joey Bosa DE Ohio St.
Reggie Ragland ILB Alabama
Keanu Neal S Florida
Ryan Kelly C Alabama
Nick Martin C Notre Dame
Jordan Payton WR UCLA

Kiper
Jack Conklin T Michigan St.
Rashard Higgins WR Colorado St.
Tyler Boyd WR Pittsburgh
Josh Doctson WR TCU
Leonte Caroo WR Rutgers (He was asked to name some WRs pro ready)


Most Physical

McShay
Karl Joseph S West Virginia
Keanu Neal S Florida
Jack Conklin T Michigan St.
Laquon Treadwell WR Mississippi
Esekiel Elliott RB Ohio St.

Kiper
Karl Joseph S West Virginia


Favorite Day 3 player

McShay
Tavon Young CB Temple
Paul Perkins RB UCLA
Kelvin Taylor RB Florida
Beau Sandland TE Montana St.
Ben Braunecker TE Harvard

Kiper
James Bradberry CB Samford
Victor Ochi OLB Stony Brook
DeAndre Houston-Carson S William & Mary
Kevin Byard S Middle Tennessee St.
Tyler Ervin RB San Jose St.


Best Hands

McShay
Josh Doctson WR TCU
Jordan Payton WR UCLA
Leonte Carroo WR Rutgers
Sterling Shepard WR Oklahoma

Kiper
Josh Doctson WR TCU
Rashard Higgins WR Colorado St.
Von Bell S Ohio St.
Darian Thompson S Boise St.
Harlan Miller CB Southeastern Louisiana

Best Route Runner

McShay
Rashard Higgins WR Colorado St.
Daniel Braverman WR Western Michigan

Kiper
Rashard Higgins WR Colorado St.

Thanks for taking the time to record and share this info. Much appreciated!

 

[Irvin88_4life]

I think he means compared to those talking of taking him in the mid 1st round or higher.
Can't recall a team taking a QB they see as developmental (even with big upside) that early. Those player are reserved for a bit later than that.
They would have to see him as less developmental and more NFL ready usually.

So maybe no slight to Lynch as much as the some of the ratings.

Every QB in this draft needs development

 

[DFWJC]

Every QB in this draft needs development

I think you knew what I meant.
Sure all rookie QBs need development.
But you don't call rookie John Elway or Troy Aikman, or even Matt Ryan a "developmental QB"

I won't split hairs over it.....you win