Mel and Todd's Combine Notes

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  1. Risen Star

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    Day 1

    What was the biggest takeaway from workouts?

    McShay: This is a better offensive line group than people think, and the interior is the best part. NC State's Garrett Bradbury can get stronger, but he had a really good day. I don't know that any team would theoretically take a center first among the linemen, but he's the most NFL-ready prospect of this group. Erik McCoy's 4.89-second 40-yard dash time was ridiculous. Chris Lindstrom posted a really good 4.91. Washington State's Andre Dillard might have locked himself into the first round with a 4.92. And then Jawaan Taylorhad a nice workout. For a massive, mauling tackle, his quick feet are really impressive. This group hasn't gotten the credit it deserves.

    Kiper: We still don't know if there will be a first-round running back. Alabama's Josh Jacobs didn't work out because of a groin injury. None of the other backs moved into the first-round discussion. Jacobs is my top-ranked tailback. But he needs to have a good pro day on March 19. Teams will be watching closely.

    David Montgomery and Florida Atlantic's Devin Singletary -- running backs we have ranked among the top 65 overall -- didn't run well and they weren't clean during drills, while other backs had strong showings. Their production and tape speak for themselves, however. Expect both to be productive NFL backs and repay the teams that take them regardless of where they come off the board.


    How the top running backs fared

    McShay breaks down workouts from Day 1:

    Devin Singletary, RB, Florida Atlantic
    Scouts Inc. position rank:
    No. 2

    Perhaps the most important three components of a running back's workout are the broad jump, vertical jump and weight-adjusted 40 time. Those typically correlate best to NFL success. While Singletary's jumps were pretty average, that 4.66 40-yard dash time is a red flag for a 5-foot-8, 203-pound running back. And it's really surprising because his film is very good. He is quicker and shows more juice than Memphis' Darrell Henderson, who has a similar build. And yet, Henderson ran a 4.49. It's going to force scouts to go back and look at their evaluations again because that 40 time doesn't match what we've seen on the tape.

    David Montgomery, RB, Iowa State
    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 3

    Montgomery's game is based on contact balance, breaking tackles and a grinding style of play. Because of that, his 28.5-inch vertical jump is a little concerning. The 4.63 40 time is right around the five-year average for running backs (4.61), and the 10-foot-1 broad jump is above average, but I would have liked to see a better performance on the vertical from the 5-foot-10, 222-pound back.

    More RB notes from McShay:

    • Oklahoma State's Justice Hill was the exact opposite of Singletary. I thought he was a good player on tape, but I just didn't see this explosiveness. And man, the numbers today were ridiculous. He was the fastest of running backs with an elite 4.40 40. His 40-inch vertical jump and 10-foot-10 broad jump show lower body power that you don't often see from undersized backs. It's obviously important for burst, but it's also very important for pass protection, showing he has the strength to do it when called upon.

    • For his size, Damien Harris of Alabama posted some decent numbers. At 5-foot-10 and 216 pounds, that 4.57 40 time is right around what you'd expect.

    • Miami's Travis Homer had a very good day. In fact, it would have stood out more if not for Hill performing as well as he did. Homer is a little bit bigger (5-10, 201), but his 4.48 time was the fifth fastest of the backs, to go along with an excellent 39.5-inch vertical and 10-foot-10 broad jump numbers.

    • Unfortunately the star power of this group is pretty banged up. Alabama's Josh Jacobs (No. 1 RB), Stanford's Bryce Love (No. 4) and Oklahoma's Rodney Anderson (No. 7) did not participate in the on-field workouts on Friday. Jacobs' absence was somewhat of a surprise. Alabama's pro day is March 19, while Stanford will have its on April 4 and Oklahoma on March 13.

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    How the top offensive linemen fared

    Kiper breaks down workouts from Day 1:

    Jonah Williams, OT/G, Alabama

    Kiper's position rank: No. 1

    Williams is going in the first round. Will it be as a guard or tackle? His arms are a little short -- 33 5/8-inches -- but there will be teams that like him at each position. There's value in that versatility because he could be an elite guard after he started 43 games at tackle at Alabama. Williams (6-4, 302) could drop out of the top 10, but he won't fall far. And though he didn't post any freakish testing numbers, you have to trust the tape. He's going to be a really good pro.

    Jawaan Taylor, OT, Florida
    Kiper's position rank: No. 2

    There isn't much we can say about Taylor (6-5, 312) yet. He has a hamstring injury, so he didn't run the 40-yard dash or go through any athletic testing. He did go through drills, and he has great agility. But we're going to have to wait until the Florida pro day on March 27 to see how he tests. Based on his tape, he's a first-round prospect.

    Andre Dillard, OT, Washington State

    Kiper's position rank: No. 3

    Dillard had one of the best days of any prospect in Indianapolis. He had the best broad jump (9-foot-10) and short shuttle (4.40 seconds) among offensive linemen, and he ran a 4.96 40. He also had the second-best 3-cone time (7.44 seconds) of any offensive lineman. That's at 6-foot-5, 315 pounds. I moved Dillard up to my Big Board last month, and he has a shot to be the first true tackle off the board in April's draft. He is a great pass blocker who can step in and start early in the NFL.

    Cody Ford, G, Oklahoma
    Kiper's position rank: No. 1

    Ford played some tackle at Oklahoma, but I like him at guard. How powerful is he? The 19 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press was underwhelming and below the average for guards, though he does have long arms (34 inches). He also was in the middle of the pack in the other athletic testing. At 6-foot-4, 329 pounds, he could be an early second-round pick at this point.

    More OL notes from Kiper:

    Elgton Jenkins didn't run the 40, but there were no red flags in his measurements (6-4, 310) or on-field workouts.

    • NC State center Garrett Bradbury had a strong day, posting the fastest 3-cone drill time (7.41 seconds) of all the offensive linemen. He also repped 225 pounds on the bench press 34 times and ran a 4.92 40. Those are outstanding numbers for a center who I think could go in the top 40 picks.
    • Chuma Edoga can play tackle. There was some question about his size, but he is 6-foot-3, 308 pounds with 34 3/4-inch arms. The USC product was my No. 7-ranked tackle before the combine.
    • Texas A&M's Erik McCoy could play guard or center, and he's creeping up into the first-round discussion. He ran the fastest 40 among offensive lineman here (4.89).
    • Top risers
      Muench runs through the under-the-radar prospects who opened eyes among scouts on Day 1 of workouts and should move up draft boards:

      Chris Lindstrom, G, Boston College
      Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 2

      At 6-foot-4, 308 pounds, Lindstrom ran the second-fastest 40-yard dash (4.91) and had the second best broad jump (9-foot-9) among offensive linemen. He tied for the seventh-quickest short shuttle (4.54) and had one of the better performances during position drills. He has experience playing right tackle, and his testing suggests he can at least provide depth there in addition to projecting as a starter at guard. We ranked him No. 85 overall on our board, and he should rise.
    • Justice Hill, RB, Oklahoma State
      Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 17

      Hill ran the fastest 40 (4.40), had the highest vertical jump (40 inches) and tied for the longest broad jump (10-foot-10) of all the running backs. He benched 225 pounds 21 times. An injury kept him out of the drills, and he's a smaller back (5-9, 198) who missed time with a rib injury last season, but those numbers will undoubtedly help change the narrative for a player coming off a disappointing season.

      Ryquell Armstead, RB, Temple
      Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 21

      Armstead's vertical jump (30 inches) and broad jumps (9-foot-6) are both below average, but he ran the second-fastest 40 (4.45) at 5-foot-11, 220 pounds. For a back who didn't catch the ball a lot at Temple, he eased concerns about his ball skills during positional drills.

      What is one thing you're looking for on Day 2 of workouts?

    • Kiper: I'll go with the battle to be the third quarterback off the board in April's draft. I think it's going to come down to Missouri's Drew Lock and Duke's Daniel Jones. Will either of them separate during the athletic testing and on-field drills? Lock has a rocket arm and is built for showcases like this. Jones doesn't have a huge arm but is going to impress coaches in interviews.

      McShay: There are 19 wideouts working out in Indy who are at least 6-foot-2, including Ole Miss' D.K. Metcalf and Arizona State's N'Keal Harry. I'll be watching to see which ones separate from the pack by showing the combination of top-end speed, change-of-direction skills and flexibility that it takes to become a difference maker in the NFL. The 40-yard dashes will get all the attention, but also keep a close eye on the shuttles and the on-field drills.

      Muench: Iowa tight end T.J. Hockenson is the best of the bunch, and it is hard to believe that will change tomorrow. But this is a deep and talented tight end class. It will be interesting to see who rises to the challenge both during testing and position drills.
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  2. Risen Star

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    Day 2

    What was the biggest takeaway from workouts?

    McShay: The wide receiver group was more explosive than expected. There were nine wide receivers who ran sub-4.40 40-yard dashes. That's just crazy. DJ Chark was the only one last year. Ole Miss' D.K. Metcalf stole the show with his 4.33 40-yard dash and 40.5-inch vertical at 6-foot-3 and 228 pounds, and I saw him drop only one pass during route-running drills. Ohio State's Parris Campbell and UMass' Andy Isabella ran the fastest 40s (4.31) of the combine so far, while Campbell also had great jumps with a 40-inch vertical and 11-foot-3 broad jump. A bunch of receivers made money today.

    If Tavon Austin and John Ross can go in the top 10 in the draft after running blazing 40s, why can't Parris Campbell be a first-round pick? The 6-foot Ohio State wide receiver ran a 4.31 40 on Saturday, which tied for the fastest of any receiver in Indianapolis. He also had a 40-inch vertical jump. Campbell, my fifth-ranked receiver coming into the week, is a great kid who had a solid career -- he had 90 catches and 12 touchdowns last season. He is now in the discussion for Day 1.

    Muench: As impressive as the receivers were today, there are four who didn't work out and are worth mentioning. Oklahoma's Marquise Brown, the No. 1-ranked receiver, didn't run because of a Lisfranc injury. Although they aren't ranked nearly as high as Brown, Georgia State's Penny Hart (snub), Baylor's Jalen Hurd (knee) and Colorado State's Preston Williams (off-the-field issues) are talented prospects who also didn't work out today. When you factor all that in, this might be the deepest receiver class since 2014.


    How the top quarterbacks fared

    McShay breaks down QB workouts from Day 2:

    Dwayne Haskins, Ohio State

    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 1

    He wasn't perfect on Saturday, but he clearly stood out as the premier passer in this class. He has such a smooth stroke, and when his feet are right -- which is far more often than not -- Haskins places the ball beautifully. He understands trajectory and typically does a great job of leading receivers to the right spot. I don't care about the 5.04 40 time. Apparently he's planning on running again at the Ohio State pro day on March 20. That's cool and I appreciate the competitiveness, but recording a 4.85-range time instead of a 5.04 doesn't matter for a 6-foot-3, 231-pound pocket passer like Haskins.

    Drew Lock, Missouri

    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 3

    The ball jumps off his hands. I thought he looked smooth with an easy stroke in the workouts. Yes, there were times when he could have let it rip a little bit more (as my guy Mel was harping on all day), but I didn't think it was that big of an issue. His best throws were on the post corners at the end of the throwing session. His ability to drive those balls on a line without much effort was impressive. And they were placed perfectly. The arrow is moving way up for the 6-foot-4, 228-pound quarterback, who had a strong second half of the season and has nailed the postseason process so far.

    Jarrett Stidham, Auburn

    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 5

    He stood out as the best of the Group 6 quarterbacks and was among the top three or four performers of all the QBs who threw. His best throws were on the speed outs and deep balls, which matches the tape. He was a bit inconsistent with his anticipation and ball placement on some of the intermediate throws, particularly on the in-routes, but he also had a few perfectly timed and placed throws. The 6-foot-2, 218-pounder didn't have many anticipation intermediate throws in Auburn's offense, so he's a work in progress in that area.

    Ryan Finley, NC State
    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 6

    The thing that stood out about Finley (who measured at 6-4, 213) in the workouts was his placement on the deep balls, especially down the left rail. He was one of the few quarterbacks to consistently place the ball on the outside shoulder, which is where you want to lead the wide receiver. He never wows with arm strength, but his accuracy and timing stood out today, as they do on tape.

    More QB notes from McShay:

    • Kyler Murray (No. 2 QB) did not work out on Saturday. He measured 5-foot-10, which will certainly help him, but the Oklahoma quarterback opted to skip the on-field drills. We'll see him showcase his talent at the Sooners' pro day on March 13.

    • This event is not suited to Daniel Jones' strengths (football intelligence, toughness and the ability to take off running for chunks of yardage). But I was still underwhelmed by his showing today. Jones' lack of arm strength was really evident. The 6-foot-5, 221-pound Duke QB was crow-hopping to try to drive the ball vertically, and his deep ball frequently came up short. His accuracy was inconsistent today as well.

    How the top wide receivers fared

    Kiper breaks down workouts from Day 2:

    D.K. Metcalf, Ole Miss

    Kiper's position rank: No. 2

    We knew Metcalf was a special athlete. I thought he'd perform extremely well here in Indianapolis. I didn't know he could run a 4.33 40, though. That's in the territory of Julio Jones and Calvin Johnson as far as athleticism. At 6-foot-3, 228 pounds, he has a huge 83-inch wingspan. And he's strong -- he put up 27 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press. Now, his medical report from teams is going to be important -- remember that he underwent neck surgery in October -- so I want to hear more from people in the league. But Metcalf is in the top-10 discussion, and that's where I had him in my most recent mock draft.

    A.J. Brown, Ole Miss
    Kiper's position rank: No. 3

    Brown had a solid workout, but he wasn't spectacular. He measured 6 feet, 226 pounds, ran a 4.49 40 and posted a 36.5 vertical. That's in the middle of the pack at the position. He had better numbers than Metcalf in college -- Brown had 2,572 receiving yards and 17 touchdowns over the past two seasons -- but he did a lot of his damage out of the slot. I have him somewhere around picks 20-40.

    More WR notes from Kiper:

    • Top-ranked receiver Marquise Brown (Oklahoma) isn't going to work out for scouts before the draft because of a Lisfranc injury that required surgery. That's OK -- scouts know what he is. At 5-foot-9, 166 pounds, Brown is diminutive and extremely fast. He should be ready for training camp, and I don't think he'll drop out of the top 20.

    • Metcalf got a lot of pub on Saturday, but Notre Dame receiver Miles Boykin had a tremendous workout, too. He ran a 4.42 40 and had a 43-inch vertical at 6-foot-4, 220 pounds. He's going to get a good bump in my next rankings, and I want to study his tape some more. Right now, he's in the second-round range.

    • Two more wideouts who solidified their second-round grades on Saturday: Iowa State's Hakeem Butler and South Carolina's Deebo Samuel. Butler is massive (6-5, 227), but he showed his speed (4.48 40). Samuel could be a Day 2 steal.

    • Andy Isabella tied Campbell with a 4.31 40, and he plays extremely fast. He's tiny (5-9, 188), so that could see him fall to Day 3, but he's a good player.

    How the top tight ends fared

    Kiper breaks down workouts from Day 2:

    T.J. Hockenson, Iowa

    Kiper's position rank: No. 1

    A 40 time of 4.70 seconds is a good time for Hockenson. That's about what I expected. To put that into perspective, that's a better 40 time than Zach Ertz (4.76) from 2013 and slightly slower than Jason Witten (4.65) from 2003. Those are the two comps that have been made the most. Hockenson (6-5, 251) is a complete player, and he showed that he's going to be a first-round pick. His 37.5-inch vertical and times in the 20-yard shuttle (4.18) and 60-yard shuttle (11.55) were also impressive.

    Irv Smith Jr., Alabama
    Kiper's position rank: No. 2

    Smith didn't have a great on-field workout, but he's still an early second-round pick. He slipped a couple of times in drills, and he didn't always look comfortable. He tested just OK, running a 4.63 40 at 243 pounds, while putting up average numbers in the vertical jump (32), 3-cone drill (7.32 seconds) and 20-yard shuttle (4.33). Smith is a solid player, though, who can help an NFL team as a rookie.

    Noah Fant, Iowa

    Kiper's position rank: No. 3

    The comp I've made for Fant throughout the draft process is Jared Cook, who ran a 4.50 40 at 6-foot-5, 246 pounds in 2009. And what did Fant do on Saturday? He ran a 4.50 40 at 6-foot-4, 249 pounds. That 40 was the best of all the tight ends, and he also topped the group with a 39.5-inch vertical jump and a 6.81 3-cone drill. Fant is going to go higher than Cook did 10 years ago -- Cook went in the third round to Tennessee -- but he needs to be a more consistent hands catcher. He was just OK catching the ball in drills on Saturday.

    More TE notes from Kiper:

    Foster Moreau had the top time in the 20-yard shuttle (4.11 seconds) and is a better athlete than the tape showed. I want to dig in more on him; he caught only 52 passes at LSU.

    • Dawson Knox (Ole Miss) didn't run the 40 because of a sports hernia injury, but he looked good in drills. If he runs fast at his pro day, he could be a Day 2 pick.
    • I was disappointed in Kaden Smith's 40 time (4.92). He didn't help himself. The third-year sophomore from Stanford has a lot of potential, but he has a long way to go.

    Top risers

    Muench runs through the under-the-radar prospects who opened eyes among scouts on Day 2 of workouts and should move up draft boards:

    Miles Boykin, WR, Notre Dame

    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 28

    Boykin is a redshirt junior with only one year of notable production, so he definitely needed to have a strong day and he made the most of the opportunity. At 6-foot-4 and 220 pounds with long arms, he crushed the testing. His 4.42 was the eighth-fastest 40 time for the wideouts, and he tacked on an 11-foot-8 broad jump and 43.5-inch vertical. This wide receiver class is deep.

    Foster Moreau, TE, LSU

    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 12

    At 6-foot-4 and 253 pounds, Moreau ran the fifth-fastest 40 (4.66), tied for the third-best vertical (36.5 inches) and recorded the fourth-best broad jump (10-foot-1) for the tight ends. He had the best short shuttle (4.11) and tied for second with 22 reps of 225 pounds on the bench for good measure. I saw him as an effective in-line blocker and limited receiver when I watched him early in the 2018 season, but he flashed late in the season and these test results are outstanding. He has excellent football intangibles on top of all that, so it would be a surprise if he didn't impress during his interviews here as well.

    Kahale Warring, TE, San Diego State

    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 14

    The 6-foot-5, 252-pound Warring ran a split-second slower than Moreau (4.67), tied Moreau for the third-best vertical (36.5 inches) and had the third-best broad jump (10-2) for the tight ends. He also had the fourth-quickest (4.25) short shuttle. He's a redshirt junior who played only one year of high school football, missed most of the 2016 season with an injury and didn't put up big numbers in college, so he graded out as a developmental tight end. The question was how high is his ceiling, and the answer is high.


    What is one thing you're looking for on Day 3 of workouts?

    Kiper: I want to watch the big defensive linemen work out and see if the tape matches my current grades. I expect Houston's Ed Oliver to test off the charts for a 6-foot-2, 287-pound defensive tackle. And Clemson's Dexter Lawrence, who led all defensive linemen with 36 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press, should impress, as well.

    McShay: Based on the game tape I've studied so far, this might be the best defensive front group that I've evaluated in 20 years. Really. I'm fired up to see these guys hit the field tomorrow. It's the first time we'll see Nick Bosa (my top overall prospect) perform since his season-ending core injury in September. Rashan Gary's production didn't always match his talent at Michigan, but he's supposed to put on a show Sunday too. And how will the Clemson trio of potential first-rounders (Christian Wilkins, Dexter Lawrence and Clelin Ferrell) perform? It should be a fun day in Indianapolis.

    Muench: There are plenty of talented defensive linemen who didn't play in one of the Power 5 conferences, starting with Houston's Ed Oliver. Old Dominion DE Oshane Ximines, Western Illinois DT Khalen Saunders, Charleston DT/DE John Cominsky and Eastern Michigan's Maxx Crosby are all very intriguing under-the-radar guys. Scouts will be watching their workouts closely.
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  3. gmoney112

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    Interesting to see where Moreau goes. I had him as a mid-later round dude who might be an option, but he helped himself a ton. A lot better athlete than I thought, not sure if that's a good or bad thing when it doesn't really jump out on the field watching him.

    If I legitimately think Connor William's might have a future at Tackle, I'd have no problem taking DL and interior OL (or T for that matter) in rounds 2 and 3. This is a pretty good class, someones going to be there and I'm not high on re-signing Collins. Way we've been looking at OL, they might think it's a good chance to be BPA. I wouldn't hate it, if we actually use our brains in FA to get some DL help.
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    Day 3

    What was the biggest takeaway from workouts?

    McShay: Sunday turned into a heavy-weight track meet. We saw the fastest 40-yard dash time by a linebacker in combine history when LSU's Devin Whiteran a 4.40, we saw the fastest 40 by a defensive lineman in combine history with Montez Sweat's 4.41 and we saw 303-pound Quinnen Williams blaze a 4.83. This is the best defensive front-seven group that I've seen in 20 years of attending the combine.

    Kiper: Could two inside linebackers go in the top 15 picks in April? The Devins -- Devin White (LSU) and Devin Bush (Michigan) -- put on a show Sunday, posting the fastest 40s of the linebackers at 4.42 and 4.43, respectively. These are sideline-to-sideline stars, but teams don't always value linebackers who don't rush the passer. They are perfect for today's pass-happy NFL.

    Muench: The bar was set so high for the defensive linemen that it was tough to imagine this group exceeding expectations. Yet that's how the testing unfolded. Top prospects showed up, but guys like Iowa's Anthony Nelson and Eastern Michigan's Maxx Crosby also shined a spotlight on the depth of this class with strong workouts.


    How the top defensive linemen fared

    McShay breaks down DL workouts from Day 3:

    Nick Bosa, DE, Ohio State
    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 1

    First off, he's healthy, which is really good to see. He's slightly smaller than his brother, Joey, at 6-foot-4, 266 pounds, but he is also a tad faster. I don't really care much about the 40 time (4.79) because he's a pass-rushing machine. He's instinctive with his hands and leverage and shows an excellent motor on the field. And after ripping off 29 reps on the bench press, the power is pretty evident.

    Quinnen Williams, DT, Alabama
    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 1

    Humans who check in at 6-foot-3 and 303 pounds should not be able to run a 40-yard dash in 4.83 seconds. Period. And yet that's what we saw from Williams on Sunday. He also looked light on his feet during drills. Williams' workout -- combined with great tape and dominant numbers -- makes him tough to pass on.

    Rashan Gary, DE, Michigan
    Scouts Inc. position rank:
    No. 2

    Gary has a similar combination of height weight and speed to Myles Garrett. Gary (6-4, 277) ran 4.58 with a 1.63 second 10-yard split. And his 38-inch vertical jump was outstanding. But even though we saw his athleticism show up in Indianapolis on Sunday, his 7.26-second three-cone drill is below average. It shows some of the tightness in his movements that are also present on tape.

    Christian Wilkins, DT, Clemson

    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 2

    Wilkins ended up with a solid day but was not in the same class as some of these other top defensive lineman. And that's not necessarily a huge knock, considering the wild numbers some of these guys posted. At 6-foot-3 and 315 pounds, Wilkins ran a 5.04 in the 40, which registered in the top 10 for defensive tackles and was well above average.

    Montez Sweat, DE, Mississippi State

    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 3

    A combine record for defensive linemen. I mean, his 4.41 40 time, along with a 1.55 10-yard split, is just ridiculous. It puts the 6-foot-5, 260-pounder in the Dwight Freeney/Robert Mathis class of edge rushers with elite initial burst and top-end speed. And his 36-inch vertical was also tremendous. His 7.0 three-cone number is very good but not in that 6.9 elite group that almost always translates to NFL-level pass-rushing success. But we're just nitpicking now, aren't we?

    More DL notes from McShay:

    • Defensive tackle Ed Oliver (6-2, 287) threw up 32 reps on the bench press and had a 36-inch vertical but then shut it down with tight hamstrings. He will complete the workout March 28 at Houston's pro day.

    • Dexter Lawrence (6-4, 342) posted an absolutely ridiculous 5.05 on his first run in the 40 but then strained his quad. It appears to be minor, and he hopes to complete his workout at Clemson's pro day on March 14.

    How the top linebackers fared

    Kiper breaks down LB workouts from Day 3:

    Devin White, ILB, LSU
    Kiper's position rank: No. 1

    With a 4.42 40, a 39.5-inch vertical and a 4.17 3-cone time, White was one of the stars of the day. And showing up at 6-foot, 237 pounds, there are now zero questions about him. The tape is phenomenal, and he's a supreme athlete. He could go in the top 10 like Roquan Smith did a year ago.

    Devin Bush, ILB, Michigan
    Kiper's position rank: No. 2

    I had compared Bush to former second-round pick Deion Jones, who has been a good player (when healthy) for the Falcons. In fact, if we did a re-draft of the 2016 class, he'd go much higher than pick No. 52. But Bush's 4.43 40 was better than Jones' 4.59, and that was with Bush outweighing him by 12 pounds. Bush also had the best vertical jump (40.5 inches) of any prospect on Sunday. Bush could be a more athletic version of Jones, and that's scary to think about.

    Josh Allen, OLB, Kentucky

    Kiper's position rank:No. 1

    Montez Sweat got rave reviews, but don't count out Allen, my third-ranked overall prospect who has much better tape than Sweat. Allen had a solid day, running a 4.63 40 and putting up a 4.23 in the 3-cone drill, which ranked second among edge defenders. He's not going anywhere on my board -- he's going to be a top-five pick.

    Jachai Polite, OLB, Florida

    Kiper's position rank: No. 2

    It wasn't a great day for Polite. He ran a 4.84 40, one of the worst times among the edge defenders, and had a 32-inch vertical, which was below average. Then a hamstring injury kept him out of other athletic testing drills. It's important to note that Polite is going to get a chance to redeem himself at the Florida pro day later this month. The combine is only a sliver of a much larger evaluation. I do want to see how he fared in interviews with teams, which are extremely important, too.

    Brian Burns, OLB, Florida State

    Kiper's position rank: No. 2

    Burns was impressive Sunday, and he looked smooth in the on-field workouts. I wrote before the combine that he could fall if he didn't run well, but he ran a 4.53 40 at 6-foot-5, 4.53, which is tremendous. He cemented himself as a top-25 pick.

    More LB notes from Kiper:

    • Michigan's Chase Winovich showed off his athleticism with a 4.59 40, 4.11-second 20-yard shuttle and 6.94-second 3-cone. Stop calling him an overachiever -- he's just a good player. He solidified a second-round grade.

    • Oshane Ximines (Old Dominion) didn't have a great 40, running it in 4.78 seconds. Ximines also didn't dominate the Senior Bowl like I thought he might. He's dropping a little bit, potentially even to the third round.

    Top risers

    Muench runs through the under-the-radar prospects who opened eyes among scouts on Day 3 of workouts and should move up draft boards:

    Ben Banogu, OLB/DE, TCU
    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 10

    At 6-foot-3 and 250 pounds with slightly above-average length, Banogu ran a 4.62 40 and had a vertical of 40 inches. Those are outstanding numbers for prospect likely to play outside linebacker in a 3-4 defense. He also recorded the longest broad jump (11-2) for a defensive lineman at the combine since 2003. His 7.02 three-cone and 4.27 short-shuttle times are quick for an outside linebacker as well. His college teammate L.J. Collier overshadowed him at the Senior Bowl, but Banogu showed his willingness to play linebacker in Mobile and is generating buzz with his strong showing in Indianapolis.

    Maxx Crosby, DE/OLB, Eastern Michigan
    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 20

    Crosby ran a fast 40 (4.66) and his 36-inch vertical is an excellent number for a defensive end with his size (6-5, 255). He also had the second-quickest short shuttle (4.13) and second-quickest three-cone time (6.89) out of all the defensive linemen, making him a strong outside linebacker-conversion candidate. A highly productive college player with 35.5 tackles for loss and 18.5 sacks over the past two seasons, he has shown a knack for forcing turnovers, creating eight fumbles in that span.

    Anthony Nelson, DE, Iowa
    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 21

    It's easy to get caught up in 40 times -- and Nelson ran a 4.82, which is right around the five-year combine average for defensive ends -- but it's important to put that time and the rest of a workout in the proper perspective. Nelson is bigger and longer than most defensive ends at 6-foot-7 and 271 pounds with 34 7/8-inch arms. He posted a 35.5-inch vertical, which is also fantastic for his size. And he had the fourth-quickest three-cone drill (6.95) and fourth-quickest short shuttle (4.23) for all the defensive linemen. It was a good day for the Iowa pass-rusher.


    What is one thing you're looking for on Day 4 of workouts?

    McShay: No position puts more emphasis on the 40-yard dash than cornerback -- and safety isn't far behind on that list. I don't have a defensive back ranked in the top 25 right now, but there are 11 corners and safeties ranked from No. 26 to No. 62, including the likes of Greedy Williams, Deandre Baker, Byron Murphy, Joejuan Williams, Taylor Rapp and Johnathan Abram. Who will separate themselves in a crowded pack of defensive backs with strong workouts?

    Kiper: I know McShay -- and everyone -- is going to focus on the 40-yard dash with the defensive backs on Monday. But the numbers in the vertical and broad jumps is what I'll be watching closest. That's where we see the explosion defensive backs need to start in the NFL. That's where we can tell who has the speed to turn their hips and run, not just run in a straight line.

    Muench: Washington's Rapp, Mississippi State's Abram, Delaware's Nasir Adderley and Alabama's Deionte Thompson are the top four safeties on our board, and they're all separated by three points in our grading system. Who is going to make their case for the top spot tomorrow? Their three-cone and 40 times are key. But their ability to play the ball will be important as well.
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    Day 4

    What was the biggest takeaway from workouts?

    McShay: This defensive back class just isn't very strong. There were a few good numbers on Monday, but overall, this is the least impressive group of all the positions. I didn't have a top-25 defensive back heading into the weekend, and nothing in these workouts motivated me to make any positive amends to that.

    Kiper: I agree with Todd here, and that makes the next part of evaluations so important. Those are the pro days for the guys who missed key parts of Monday's workouts, such as Greedy Williams, Taylor Rapp, Deionte Thompson and Nasir Adderley. There's still a ton we don't know about a lot of the defensive backs, and pro days are going to be extremely critical to develop complete evals.

    Byron Murphy's three-cone or shuttle times -- we expect him to test well in those areas, based on his tape -- and the test results we have for the Huskies' corner are best described as average. He's also on the smaller side, and his length (30 1/8-inch arms) is a red flag. That said, he's still a borderline first-round pick on tape, and he had an outstanding on-field workout, so don't expect him to fall far. He's instinctive, plays with good balance and is a playmaker with excellent ball skills.


    How the top cornerbacks fared

    Kiper breaks down CB workouts from Day 4:

    Greedy Williams, LSU

    Kiper's position rank: No. 1

    The good? Williams ran a 4.37 40 at 6-foot-2, 185 pounds. That's a fantastic time for a big corner, and it was tied for second at the position. The bad? Calf cramps forced him to miss the other athletic testing drills. That means the LSU pro day on March 22 becomes a must-watch event. I had Williams at No. 10 in my Mock Draft 2.0.

    Deandre Baker, Georgia
    Kiper's position rank: No. 2

    Baker showed Monday that he isn't an elite athlete. He had an average 40 (4.52) and below average broad jump (9-foot-8) at 5-foot-11, 193 pounds. But he was strong in the on-field workouts, and he can flip his hips with the best defensive backs in this class. Like Williams, I want to see Baker run better at the Georgia pro day on March 20.

    More CB notes from Kiper:

    • Michigan's David Long had the best 20-yard shuttle time (3.97) among the corners, and he showed off a 39.5-inch vertical. He could jump into the list of the top-10 corners in the class.

    • With seven interceptions the past two seasons, Washington's Byron Murphy is the best ball hawk in this class. I don't think his 4.55 40 will cause him to drop far, though he has a smaller frame than I would have liked to see. He's a top-40 prospect on tape.

    • Michigan's State's Justin Layne, a converted wide receiver, has a big wingspan and 6-foot-2 frame. His 4.50 40 is a great time for him. Could he go in the second round?

    • Jamel Dean ran a blazing 4.30 40, but he isn't as fluid as some of the other top corners. We knew the Auburn corner was a freakish talent heading into the season. He's still a midround pick.

    • Joejuan Williams has to run better at the Vanderbilt pro day. He has to. He ran a 4.64 40 at 6-foot-4, 211 pounds.

    How the top safeties fared

    McShay breaks down S workouts from Day 4:

    Taylor Rapp, Washington

    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 1

    ‪Rapp didn't run the 40, but he posted the second-fastest short shuttle for defensive backs, at 3.99 seconds, along with a 6.82-second three-cone drill. His 35-inch vertical and 9-foot-7 broad jump were nearly right on the five-year averages for safeties. But with those times, the 6-foot, 208-pounder certainly helped his cause as a top-40 pick and possibly the first safety off the board in April.

    Johnathan Abram, Mississippi State
    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 2

    He posted a really good 40 time of 4.45, but the 9-foot-8 broad jump isn't ideal. Even so, the 5-foot-11, 205-pound safety is a viscous hitter with explosive burst and power for his size. Abram is a top-40 prospect if medically clean and if you are comfortable with his character. I'm really interested to see what comes of his medical report after he failed his Senior Bowl physical back in January.

    More S notes from McShay:

    • Zedrick Woods has a lot of folks -- myself included -- sprinting to do more tape on him with the same urgency that the Ole Miss safety ran with on Monday. His blazing 4.29 40-yard dash was one of the biggest surprises of the combine. The 5-foot-11, 205-pounder does have some tightness in his hips, though. A 7-second three-cone was just below the safety average, though he did run a good 4.17-second short shuttle.

    • Boston College's Will Harris ‪ran an awesome 4.41 in the 40 at 6-foot-1, 207 pounds. He has some tightness, but that speed will definitely increase his value on both defense and special teams. I like his instincts and toughness as a strong safety.

    • No testing for the No. 3 and 4 safeties on my board in Nasir Adderley and Deionte Thompson, respectively. Adderley, a 6-foot, 206-pound safety from Delaware, was out with an ankle injury, while Alabama's 6-foot-1, 195-pound Thompson is recovering from a torn ligament in his wrist. They both hope to be ready for their pro days. (Alabama's pro day is March 19, while Delaware's is March 22.)

    Top risers

    Muench runs through the under-the-radar prospects who opened scouts' eyes on Day 4 of workouts and should move up draft boards:

    Juan Thornhill, S, Virginia
    Scouts Inc. position rank: 18

    At 6-foot and 205 pounds, Thornhill's 44-inch vertical was tops at the combine regardless of position, and he tied Missouri wide receiver Emmanuel Hall for the top broad jump (11-9). Oh, and he tied for the ninth-fastest 40 (4.42) out of all the defensive backs. Thornhill has small hands (8 3/4 inches) and slightly below-average length, but he's a ball hawk who picked off six passes in 2018.

    Isaiah Johnson, CB, Houston

    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 21

    Johnson ran a 4.40 40-yard dash at 6-foot-2 and 208 pounds (33-inch arms). That's an outstanding combination of length and speed for a corner. He had the fourth-quickest short shuttle (4.06), and his 11-foot-1 broad jump tied for fifth among the defensive backs. Johnson is a former receiver who played corner the past two years and is still developing, but he has shown teams that he has awesome upside with his performance in Indianapolis.

    Justin Layne, CB, Michigan State

    Scouts Inc. position rank: No. 12

    Layne has outstanding length (33-inch arms), and though he didn't have one of the fastest 40 times, his 4.50 is a slightly above average time for a corner. He tied for the seventh-quickest short shuttle (4.09) for the defensive backs, which is a very good time for a 6-foot-2, 192-pound corner. Layne also had one of the best on-field showings and caught the ball well, which is important considering that the junior finished his college career with three picks.
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    What was the biggest takeaway from the week?

    McShay: Man, this draft class is bringing some serious speed to the league. Nine wide receivers clocked sub-4.4 40-yard dash times -- only DJ Chark broke that mark last year -- and tight ends blazed 4.5s. And it wasn't all skill players.

    You don't see many 342-pound defensive tackles with 5.05 speed. Clemson's Dexter Lawrence really impressed with his run, even though his day ended with a quad injury. Alabama's Quinnen Williams scorched a 4.83 at 303 pounds, and Mississippi State's Montez Sweat set a combine record for defensive linemen with an absolutely ridiculous 4.41 at 260 pounds. And linebackers Devin White(LSU) and Devin Bush (Michigan) both posted numbers in the low 4.4s. I was just really impressed with the speed of several of these guys.

    Kiper: We're 50 days from the NFL draft, and no one really knows who's going No. 1 overall. All the buzz this week has been about the Arizona Cardinals taking Heisman Trophy winner Kyler Murray at No. 1. But we've seen these smokescreens before, and teams always try to hold their cards close. Either way, it's going to be a fun lead-up to April 25. Will we see a team trade up soon to secure one of the quarterbacks?


    Who were the biggest risers coming out of the combine?

    Montez Sweat, DE, Mississippi State

    Scouts Inc. rank before the combine: No. 19

    Sweat was already very high on my board, but running a 4.41 40 at 6-foot-5, 260 pounds turned heads from everybody in Indy. He has terrific length with 35¾-inch arms, posted a good seven-second three-cone and showed some power with his 10-foot-5 broad jump and 36-inch vertical jump. Combined with a very good week at the Senior Bowl in January, Sweat is making himself some money. -- McShay

    Miles Boykin, WR, Notre Dame
    Scouts Inc. rank before the combine: No. 166

    I watched a lot of Boykin at Notre Dame, but he really had only one season of high-end production, and we didn't have true testing numbers. I thought he might be a third- or fourth-round pick coming into Indianapolis. After measuring 6-foot-4, 220 pounds, Boykin ran a 4.42 40 and had a 43.5-inch vertical and an 11-foot-8 broad jump. Those are tremendous numbers. You could make the case that no one prospect rose higher than Boykin here, as he now has a chance to go near the top of Round 2. -- Kiper

    Noah Fant, TE, Iowa
    Scouts Inc. rank before the combine: No. 26

    If you're a tight end who can run a 4.5 40, you're going to rise on draft boards. But Fant not only ran fast. He notched 20 reps in the bench press, ripped through the three-cone drill in 6.81 seconds and posted a 39.5-inch vertical jump. This 6-foot-4, 249-pounder might have locked himself into the first round with his workout, setting up the very real possibility of two Iowa tight ends (T.J. Hockenson is the other) going in Round 1. -- McShay

    Quinnen Williams, DT, Alabama
    Scouts Inc. rank before the combine: No. 2

    You're probably wondering how the No. 2-ranked prospect can be a riser, but Williams' elite testing numbers show that he has to be considered 1B next to Nick Bosa. Williams was just so, so impressive running a 4.83 40 at 303 pounds, which included a 1.69 10-yard split. What I always look for at the combine is whether the workout matches the production for guys for whom I have first-round grades. Williams did that. He is one of the cleanest players in this class. -- Kiper

    D.K. Metcalf, WR, Ole Miss

    Scouts Inc. rank before the combine: No. 15

    Every spot Metcalf moves up in the first round is close to $1 million more in total salary, so it's no wonder why he was emotional after a tremendous workout Saturday. We're talking about a 6-foot-3, 228-pound beast with 4.33 40 speed, 34⅞-inch arms and a 40½-inch vertical. The times in the agility drills might be a little concerning, but overall, Metcalf showed incredible speed, athleticism and strength. Did I mention he benched 225 pounds 27 times? He will climb some teams' draft boards after an impressive weekend in Indianapolis. -- McShay

    Devin Bush, ILB, Michigan
    Scouts Inc. rank before the combine: No. 14

    There was plenty of talk about Bush's size heading into the combine. Was he going to be 5-foot-11? Any shorter than that is a red flag for a middle linebacker. Well, he measured right at 5-11 and weighed a solid 234 pounds. Then he ripped off a 4.43 40 and tested off the charts in almost every drill. As I wrote on Sunday, Bush is moving up and could go in the top 15 picks. There's a good chance he rises into the top 10 of my new Big Board. -- Kiper

    Parris Campbell, WR, Ohio State

    Scouts Inc. rank before the combine: No. 49

    Campbell was overshadowed by Metcalf, but the Buckeye had a really terrific overall workout. The 6-foot, 217-pound receiver showed some polished route running and displayed his speed with a 4.31 in the 40. He capped off a good afternoon with a 40-inch vertical and an 11-foot-3 broad jump. He's going to tempt some teams in the first round. -- McShay

    Erik McCoy, C, Texas A&M

    Scouts Inc. rank before the combine: No. 50

    I could have gone with Boston College guard Chris Lindstrom, who had a good workout and is firmly slated for the second round. But McCoy is now on the fringes of Round 1, and he might be the first center off the board. He ran a 4.89 40 at 303 pounds, the fastest of any offensive lineman, and he showed off his strength, putting up 29 reps of 225 pounds on the bench press. McCoy, who started all 38 games of his Texas A&M career, has some versatility, as teams think he has the ability to play guard, too. -- Kiper

    Zedrick Woods, S, Ole Miss
    Scouts Inc. rank before the combine: NR

    I need to watch more tape on this dude because his Monday workout was impressive. He rolled to the fastest 40 time of the entire combine with a 4.29. At 5-11, 205, Woods was mostly an in-the-box safety in college. His seven-second three-cone was slightly below the average for safeties, but his 4.17-second short shuttle was right around the average. There's some tightness in his hips. -- McShay

    Andy Isabella, WR, UMass

    Scouts Inc. rank before the combine: No. 102

    Isabella's frame (5-9, 188 pounds) is small, and he has only 29¾-inch arms. But he can fly. Isabella ran a 4.31 40 (after some complications with the laser timing), one of the fastest of any prospect in Indy. And when you turn on his tape, you see him separating from defenders by 10-plus yards and making plays. He's so fun to watch. Isabella could be a third-round pick in April. -- Kiper
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    Thanks for posting these Risen.
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