Mental Toughness! Do the Cowboys players have it?

Doomsday101

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cowboyjoe;2916351 said:
good thought doomsday,

I look at football as the ultimate team sports and it seems we have had players more self involved about their own personal accolades than what is important which is team. I heard so many coaches say Dallas has the individual talent but they don't play as a team. Players must put team before any person goals. I don’t want to hear a player saying if you want to win then I need the ball we will win the tough games when players push each other to win games instead of looking to 1 or 2 players
 

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jterrell;2916350 said:
mental toughness is just sports media talk for the most part.

their is actual toughness involved in the game and certainly a mental aspect that is really just discipline and focus.

this team appears more focused and while it is hard to call it disciplined after the pre-season penalty fests it's hard to imagine the team being worse between the ears than in previous campaigns.

as to the eagles example....

yea dawkins called a meeting but anyone who buys that changed things is silly. the eagles were so impressed they promptly let him walk away in the off-season. what changed was brian westbrook got healthy and mcnabb looked better with his weapons all back from injury. unlike dallas who had an ailing witten, no felix jones and a banged up OL the eagles were healthy when it mattered.

well, i was going by what players and writers said about the eagles, dawkins kept them together as a team, and they listened to him, they could win, if they all pulled together, true, mcnabb got healthier and westbrook got somewhat healthier, but i believe in closed team meetings, players getting mad and saying enough is enough, pull your weight, etc, sometimes that is needed, like one time, Darren Woodson caught roy williams sneaking out after practice. Woodson sat his little rear end down, made him study film, etc

sometimes players have to make other players accountable


does a team like the pats routinely display "mental toughness"... again if you define it as discipline, attention to detail and focus then darn straight they do. this team has done a better job thus far.

i think thats what im pointing too, discipline, attention to detail, and focus, its like brian broaddus said about jenkins, looks like sometimes he doesnt pay enough attention to detail and film study from what he heard. I think this team is on the right track towards being more focused, but the other players must fall inline too.
 

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dogunwo;2916355 said:
You cut someone who everyone knows wont make the team anyway to send a 'message'

it worked for jimmy when he sent the backup kicker to the asthma field, rofl.
 

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CATCH17;2916032 said:
This team scares me in that they can literally give up a perfectly played game in just 1 or 2 plays.

I love this team and the talent but at some point we have to cash in on it.

Are they mentally tough? I think so.

But are they off the wall stupid at times? Absolutely.

That's sports for ya.
 

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Not no, but hell no!! Read the sig. As Emmitt said, "You can't change the stripes of leopards." This group is made up mostly of the same mentally weak players that BP had. Now things may change, but not during perseason. If you have forgotten the season finale last season, go look again. The epidomy of mental weakness, not to mention the Ravens and Steelers games!
 

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poke;2916321 said:
i think to make the players mentally tough we should require them to
read cowboyjoes posts.:D

:laugh1: now thats the best comment ive seen so far on my posts Haha!
 

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Doomsday101;2916364 said:
I look at football as the ultimate team sports and it seems we have had players more self involved about their own personal accolades than what is important which is team. I heard so many coaches say Dallas has the individual talent but they don't play as a team. Players must put team before any person goals. I don’t want to hear a player saying if you want to win then I need the ball we will win the tough games when players push each other to win games instead of looking to 1 or 2 players

Hit the nail on the head Doomsday! Its kinda like bob lily said in a team meeting after they started losing in 71, players were ticked off because some werent playing hard or pulling their weight. Its when the players to me aired out their differences and made each other accountable. And basically said, no one is going to get in the end zone on our defense unless its over dead bodies. And no one scored a touchdown on them going into the playoffs and the superbowl that year.

Players have to say enough, get tough, and really want it and make the other players accountable. Kinda like Charles Haley told Aikman one time,if they dont pay attention to you in the huddle on offense let me know, I will straighten them out.
 

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If you are a mentally tough player and a guy gets cut for performing poorly, then you probably won't let it have an effect on you. If you aren't mentally tough, then that guy getting cut probably worries you.
 

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AsthmaField;2916762 said:
If you are a mentally tough individual and a player gets cut for performing poorly, then you probably won't let it have an effect on you. If you aren't mentally tough, then that guy getting cut probably worries you.

When Jimmy did his thing with Curvin Richards it was not to get the attention of the team it was to get the attention to those players who were hanging on. I doubt Troy, Emmitt or Mike were concerned and heck it was said Richards had fallen asleep during a meeting something that Troy and Mike were joking about that Emmitt did that quite a bit. :laugh1:
 

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When it's fourth and four chain links and your offense is kicking the other team in the butt, you don't false start at home.

Wade Phillips better stop that stuff, because it will get you fired.

A killer instinct would increase your focus and stop that stuff. You can't take mental breaks in a game.

If you can't stop it, the coach should sit your butt down for a while and let you watch.

Granted, you may have to watch Pat McQuistan get run over and lose his balance.
 

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41gy#;2916941 said:
When it's fourth and four chain links and your offense is kicking the other team in the butt, you don't false start at home.

Wade Phillips better stop that stuff, because it will get you fired.

exactly buddy; i think wade has woken up, the way he got onto brown the other day on that pass interference;
i also read today that he had the centers working extra time with the qBs on center exchange and proctor wasnt one of the players practicing

i think wade is starting to wake up and send messages;
 

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cowboyjoe;2916949 said:
exactly buddy; i think wade has woken up, the way he got onto brown the other day on that pass interference;
i also read today that he had the centers working extra time with the qBs on center exchange and proctor wasnt one of the players practicing

i think wade is starting to wake up and send messages;

I hope so, Cowboysjoe.

Remember, Colombo waived Brewster off when Garrett told him to sit down in camp or OTAs. Colombo false started.

He should have been made to sit down.

No, you false start. It's too late. Have a seat.

Garrett should have got after his rear end. You negate good/great drives and 10 other people's hard work when you make those inexcusable mental mistakes.

False starting at home..

We are talking about Dallas...
 

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41gy#;2916989 said:
I hope so, Cowboysjoe.

Remember, Colombo waived Brewster off when Garrett told him to sit down in camp or OTAs. Colombo false started.

He should have been made to sit down.

No, you false start. It's too late. Have a seat.

Garrett should have got after his rear end. You negate good/great drives and 10 other people's hard work when you make those inexcusable mental mistakes.

False starting at home..

We are talking about Dallas...

totally agree with you buddy, but i think wade and garrett know they are on the hot seat;

the announcer on tv said, when one of the linemen held and moved, that garrett had a very unpleasant look on his face, was really mad, i am sure garrett got onto their rear ends because his job is on the line this year and garrett knows it;
 

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This, imo, has been the number one issue with the last decade of The Cowboys. We play soft, we have no heart, time will tell, but the mentality of this team needs to change or we will lose in the first round again....if we make it that far.
 

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There are absolutely zero excuses this year. Count them slowly. Z E R O.. So, in other words, they better have some mental toughness...
 

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cowboyjoe;2915993 said:
Every year, a team comes to a fork in the road, where they are tested as players to step up, be accountable and say enough is enough, do your job, and play with heart, intensity and desire, with mental toughness.

The cowboys players had to do that in midseason in 1971, when they were starting to lose games. Cowboy players called a private meeting, chewed each other out, because some players werent laying it all on the line. They aired out their differences, played through pain, etc and won, while going to the super bowl. Bob Lily said the players were really ticked off, and they all determined especially on defense, the only way teams were going to get into the end zone was over dead bodies. That year, at the end of the season and going into the playoffs and the superbowl, no team scored a TD on the defense.

So, whats the difference, is it attitude, mental toughness?

Same thing happened to a degree to the eagles last year, as you know by midseason they were losing, but they held a team meeting, their star safety, cant think of his name right now, but the safety that went to denver, called a team meeting, challenged everyone and rest is history, they got together as a team, started winning and got to the championship game in nfc.

The same thing to a degree happened in 1978, in midseason, the cowboy players started losing, and Jackie Smith called a team meeting and told the players that they werent practicing like they should, they were expecting just to go out on the field and win with the star on their helmet, etc. The players woke up, challenged each other, changed their practice habits and went to the super bowl. I know they didnt win against the steelers that year, but they went to the super bowl because players looked within themselves, made other players accountable, got metally tough and played hard, stopping the stupid mistakes and penalties.

Does this team have that this year, give your feedback on what you think, and what the cowboys players need to do to fix that attitude if its not there.
Check this board after week 17. We sill surely know by then.
 

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Interesting question.

I think back to when I played in high school. We lost several close games my junior year. A lot of folks in town thought we were soft.

I knew that wasn't the case. We played hard....something just wasn't right.

The next year we got a new coach. We conditioned like crazy....we studied. We ran plays until they were perfect.

We won all the close games the next year. We were conference and district champs.

I always believed the difference for us was preparation. We never went into a game my senior year wondering what to expect. We never were surprised, we never worried about where our teammates were going to be....We lost in sectionals to a team that simply was more talented. But we gave them all they could handle.

Sometimes, when I watch the Cowboys, I see confusion. Sometimes I see that they're not certain of where to be....Maybe that's my imagination.

You watch teams like the Eagles....they seem prepared...confident. I haven't felt they were more talented than us for the last four years, yet we have trouble beating them. In the playoff game vs the Giants, we were immensely more talented than the Giants. But they were more prepared. If you read any of their interviews, they knew what to expect. They did their homework on TO and Glenn, and knew that neither were ready...so, they changed their way of covering them....press coverage...they then blitzed the heck out of us.

I don't think our players don't have heart. Romo has it...you can tell. He takes those losses personally. Bradie James as well. Ware, Witten, Barber, Ratliff. They all are intense players. I believe they're tough as well.

I would like to see our OL become a little more nasty and focused. But overall, I think we're a tough group.
 

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If not, why don't they just have a team meeting? I mean what are we waiting for?????

:rolleyes:
 

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I don't know if it is a question of mental toughness more than it is "leadership".

The team that got whipped in Philadelphia lacked "leadership".

When things got really bad, they looked to their leader on the sidelines and that was Wade Phillips.

Again, there is a reason Jerry Jones hasn't offered Wade Phillips a contract extension in his last year.

That tells you everything you need to know.
 
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