Meriweather @ FS

[smarta5150]

Noone did.

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[Stash]

I understand the thinking but it's no practical, not when there are other needs on this team, that was the whole reason Hamlin was brought in, to be a stop gap. So we could use the first round pick on another position. There weren't any good free agents at WR, PassRusher, Defensive Tackle or atleast not any worth investing big money into. That's how the Cowboys front office felt. They did see needs at Offensive Guard/possibly tackle (if columbo wasn't resigned) and free safety. So they went out and grabbed Leonard Davis to fill the void and managed to get Columbo back on board there's two positions filled. Next was FS, lets not get into the debate of if we should draft a FS if it was only Watkins and Davis there, but apparently the Cowboys staff/Wade Phillips whoever decided that we needed to do something with the posistion, and luckily there was a pretty good option still on the market. So they worked out a one year stop gap deal with Hamlin and brought him in, so they could open up more possibillities with their first round pick. Our two biggest needs were taken care of by FA signings there no longer exists the need for another FS.

Note: if you think I'm arrogant, then you've obviosly not seen some posters on this board who dismass a thread as soon as it's started without giving any reason behind it, they just simply spam the beating a dean horse smiley. No matter how many times a subject has been posted here I'm polite enough to give my reasons to why I disagree/agree before making a statement about it being discussed enough.

If a team is truly able to draft 'the best player available', should any position be excluded?

And if as we both apparently feel, Hamlin may be a "stopgap", shouldn't the team be interested in a potential long-term answer for what has been a troublesome position?

And I apoligize if you feel that I was picking on you, it wasn't my intent.

I just felt that your post was rather condescending and insulting to others.

When I read something that sounds like a 'know-it-all' post, it bugs me and that's the way yours sounded (or read or whatever.....).

 

[slick325]

I'm not against taking a FS somewhere in the draft. Not even against taking a FS on the first day. I just don't want (and don't feel like we will) to take a FS in the first round. There is a point where it's overkill trying to fill one position when there are other positions of need on the team.

If we take a FS in the first or second round this year that would mean we've thrown three different darts trying to fill one position in two years (1st/2nd round pick, 6th round pick, 2nd round pick FA pickup) at trying to fill one position, spending that much effort on a position that isn't QB is pointless in my mind.

So I guess you're against getting a DE/OLB too? Especially since we spent a second on Burnett, 1st on Ware and 1st on Carp. Or would you be adverse to taking a guard since we spent so much on Rivera a few years back, Kosier one year ago and Leonard Davis this year? Or may be ILB since we spent money on Ayodele last season, Boiman in free agency last season and Brady James last season? Or what about WR? I mean we did just re-sign Terry Glenn and gave him his bonus last month, we just gave T.O. a decent check last season and are supposed to give him a bonus in June, Crayton just re-signed and is gonna be an unrestricted free agent looking for more money.
CB would be out as well since we drafted Newman in the first and he is due a payday, Henry got a big free agent contract?

RB (barring a trade of Julius Jones), QB, SS and TE are pretty much out. Right? That would leave OT or NT as the only positions we can draft in the first that wouldn't be "overkill". Thus, we may be reaching at #22 if you were in the war room.

At the end of the day any rookie we grab in the 1st two rounds will be hard pressed to start. We need to acquire more talent. Plain and simple. At every position except QB.

 

[adamknite]

If a team is truly able to draft 'the best player available', should any position be excluded?

And if as we both apparently feel, Hamlin may be a "stopgap", shouldn't the team be interested in a potential long-term answer for what has been a troublesome position?

And I apoligize if you feel that I was picking on you, it wasn't my intent.

I just felt that your post was rather condescending and insulting to others.

When I read something that sounds like a 'know-it-all' post, it bugs me and that's the way yours sounded (or read or whatever.....).

Stop gap ususally means a team is going for the easy solution. Rarely after getting a stop gap does a team also go the expensive route unless it's for the QB position (which is very understandable). I am almost completely sure the reason the Cowboys signed Hamlin is because they knew something needed to be done with the FS position but they didn't want to spend a 1st round pick on it. I also think stop gap was a little loose of a term for Hamlin, I ment it was more like a sign this contract and show me what you can do deal (but that's harder to say). Stop gap was just the best wording I could think of at the time that made the most sense.

 

[Stash]

Stop gap ususally means a team is going for the easy solution. Rarely after getting a stop gap does a team also go the expensive route unless it's for the QB position (which is very understandable). I am almost completely sure the reason the Cowboys signed Hamlin is because they knew something needed to be done with the FS position but they didn't want to spend a 1st round pick on it. I also think stop gap was a little loose of a term for Hamlin, I ment it was more like a sign this contract and show me what you can do deal (but that's harder to say). Stop gap was just the best wording I could think of at the time that made the most sense.

I've always felt that a 'stopgap' was a temporary fix or a short-term solution. A 'quick-fix' or 'band-aid' if you will.

As Hamlin is signed for just one year with no guarantees he'll be around in '08, I don't consider it unreasonable if the team looked for a 'long-range' solution.

 

[adamknite]

So I guess you're against getting a DE/OLB too? Especially since we spent a second on Burnett, 1st on Ware and 1st on Carp. Or would you be adverse to taking a guard since we spent so much on Rivera a few years back, Kosier one year ago and Leonard Davis this year? Or may be ILB since we spent money on Ayodele last season, Boiman in free agency last season and Brady James last season? Or what about WR? I mean we did just re-sign Terry Glenn and gave him his bonus last month, we just gave T.O. a decent check last season and are supposed to give him a bonus in June, Crayton just re-signed and is gonna be an unrestricted free agent looking for more money.
CB would be out as well since we drafted Newman in the first and he is due a payday, Henry got a big free agent contract?

RB (barring a trade of Julius Jones), QB, SS and TE are pretty much out. Right? That would leave OT or NT as the only positions we can draft in the first that wouldn't be "overkill". Thus, we may be reaching at #22 if you were in the war room.

At the end of the day any rookie we grab in the 1st two rounds will be hard pressed to start. We need to acquire more talent. Plain and simple. At every position except QB.

Way to stretch my comments to the extreme pal. Everybody besides you knows what I ment when I said overkill. This year we signed RT, RG, and FS, none of those other players were signed this year. If we draft a freaking FS that means in two years we will have used THREE different resources on one position which isnt' QB! In today's NFL you need 3 good corners, and atleast 3 solid WR's. Glenn and Owens are both over 30 so is Aaron Glenn, plus Anthony Henry is injured a lot, and on top of that, he isn't that great of a player.

And just so you know, even though you were being sarcastic no I don't want to draft an OLB, MLB, or DE in the first round because I think they'd be a little overkill also.

Our three biggest positions of need are WR, NT, CB and LT comes in as honorable mention. We've already attempted to upgrade FS with Hamlin why throw another resource at the position when there are 3/4 other needs on this team!? Just because you have a position to fill doesn't mean the pick is a reach! Reaching is Quincy Carter in the second round, taking a first round caliber WR/CB/NT is not reaching. With your logic if you draft a player where he's supposed to be drafted but he isn't necassarily the best player left then it's a reach but it is not, reaching only pertains to drafting somebody ahead of where he's supposed to be drafted because you need to fill that position.

 

[slick325]

Way to stretch my comments to the extreme pal. Everybody besides you knows what I ment when I said overkill. This year we signed RT, RG, and FS, none of those other players were signed this year. If we draft a freaking FS that means in two years we will have used THREE different resources on one position which isnt' QB! In today's NFL you need 3 good corners, and atleast 3 solid WR's. Glenn and Owens are both over 30 so is Aaron Glenn, plus Anthony Henry is injured a lot, and on top of that, he isn't that great of a player.

And just so you know, even though you were being sarcastic no I don't want to draft an OLB, MLB, or DE in the first round because I think they'd be a little overkill also.

Our three biggest positions of need are WR, NT, CB and LT comes in as honorable mention. We've already attempted to upgrade FS with Hamlin why throw another resource at the position when there are 3/4 other needs on this team!? Just because you have a position to fill doesn't mean the pick is a reach! Reaching is Quincy Carter in the second round, taking a first round caliber WR/CB/NT is not reaching. With your logic if you draft a player where he's supposed to be drafted but he isn't necassarily the best player left then it's a reach but it is not, reaching only pertains to drafting somebody ahead of where he's supposed to be drafted because you need to fill that position.

Cool. Got your point. All in all I think as true fans of this squad we just hope the picks Jerry and company make are good players and can contribute to the building of another championship team.

 

[dmoore]

I think the thing with Hamlin is that even if he's the guy and has a great year, he could price himself off the Cowboys when his one year deal is up. I want him to have a great year, but that means we'd have to pay him big money to keep him. I'm sure we'll have other guys to re-sign as well. If you get a guy like Merriweather in round 2, let him sit a year and play on special teams, you have all your bases covered. Watkins has upside, but he hasn't shown anything that makes him a lock for FS of the future, IMO. If Merriweather is hands down the best guy available in the 2nd, there's no real reason not to take him.