Method to the madness?

[kskboys]

I wasn't talking about that trade. The Miami Dolphins traded Tunsil to Houston for two 1st round picks and a 2nd.

Sure, but that was when Bob was screwing up the team.

 

[kskboys]

Rookie 2nd rounder with three days of practice in shorts and helmet replaces a 26 year old, 3 time all pro, four time pro bowler entering his prime.

Makes perfect sense.

Since I didn't say "EZ would take Parsons", your post makes no sense. That's some really weird stuff, dude.

 

[kskboys]

Notice they also added major talent to OLine (G) and WR. Also, take note that all three positions have ALL-PRO starters. I'm pretty sure their thinking is pairing the ALL-PRO with top talent that makes teams pay for trying to shut them down.

EZ plays the same position as Parsons. Putting them on the field together would equate to a ferocious pass rush, but also would be an incredibly weak run stopping team.

So, is this Jerry just drafting who he wants and trying to pigeon hole them into a position they're not suited for?

 

[Flamma]

Sure, but that was when Bob was screwing up the team.

Yeah I know. But it was just another example. What difference does it make if it's an idiot or not?

 

[Pass2Run]

First off, I’d like to state that this thread is not an attempt to defend the way the Cowboys handle their big contracts. I do not agree with how the Joneses have done business lately.

But in looking at the Parsons deal and potential deals for Tyler Smith, Daron Bland, and possibly George Pickens it got me wondering.

Micah Parsons is undeniably a great player and a top pass rusher, but he also plays at arguably the Cowboys most well-stocked position.

Could - the key word here - could the Cowboys live without him in the future?

If EZE is what early reviews suggest. If Sam Williams shows he’s back and a force to be reckoned with.

Could the Cowboys live without Parsons?

Would the team be better off with draft picks and cap space to retain the other players mentioned above?

I don’t think there’s any cap magic that would allow you to pay Parsons $41 million a year-plus and still afford Smith, Bland, and Pickens.

But if you were to tag and/or trade Parsons next year? It might then be manageable.

My thinking is that Diggs is in his last season in Dallas anyway, and his numbers could be replaced with a new deal for Bland.

So I’m wondering, are the Cowboys playing this one out and keeping their options open? Or is this just yet another example of the Joneses poor management?

I thought this same thing.

Why sign him now?

 

[Pass2Run]

Excellent questions.

And then there's the size issue. Playing DE at his size means there's a good chance he won't last long. Think of him like a RB, get your 4-6 years out of him and move on. Yes, he's a rare talent, but paying him that much would hurt the team.

Agree.

 

[blueblood70]

Method vs madness hmmmm Jake Furgeson gets a new deal!!!

I like to discuss why the Cowboys gave this guy a new deal while parsons deal is still waiting, and he hasn't proven he can bounce back from his injuries and even have a good year worth this kind of money....

This feels like the Jaylon smith signing with zeke holding out..


Securing the bag with both hands

Cowboys tight end Jake Ferguson has signed a new 4-year contract extension with the team, a Cowboys front office source confirms.
The 26-year-old gets a $12 million signing bonus, $30 million guaranteed, and $52 million in new money, according to a report.

 

[TheCritic]

That’s exactly what I would do! Always felt Parsons was never going to be worth the price tag.

 

[Whyjerry]

lol. Relying on this front office who passed on watt for taco charlton isn’t risky though?

Getting a 5th for Amari cooper.

Trusting Sam Williams who is one run in with the law away from jail/suspension?

Man yall are funny. Micah is a generational player and you want to get rid of him because he has a podcast.

My Lord.

Come on now. It’s not the podcast. It’s the disappearing late every season. It’s the fall off in run defense. It’s the slowing down because he is mismanaged. You might not want to read but I am clear that Parsons is an elite talent. I blame the Cowboys for his shortcomings. I asked for feedback on some of the issues and you get all worked up.

 

[phildadon86]

Come on now. It’s not the podcast. It’s the disappearing late every season. It’s the fall off in run defense. It’s the slowing down because he is mismanaged. You might not want to read but I am clear that Parsons is an elite talent. I blame the Cowboys for his shortcomings. I asked for feedback on some of the issues and you get all worked up.

Because this fan base is so quick to run generational talent out of the door.

It’s insane to me.

No issue keeping players who are mediocre though.

And yes. It’s not Micah’s fault they would rather play him at DE constantly and he’s dead weight by season end. He was the best run stopping linebacker in college. So he is simply being played out of position.

He’s also let this culture of the Cowboys infect him.

Go back and watch his exchange with LVE in his rookie year.

 

[Jarntt]

I think so too. But when Dak goes, it's going to come with a hefty dead cap. Especially if they add more restructures. We probably won't be totally free of his money until 2029.

Yes and no. If we don't restructure him and decided to cut him in 2028 we save a ton of cap by cutting him even though there is dead money and right now there is only $9M of dead money after his contract ends. If we do restructure him that savings just rolls and covers the dead money so the easier comparison is without assuming another restructure

 

[Flamma]

Yes and no. If we don't restructure him and decided to cut him in 2028 we save a ton of cap by cutting him even though there is dead money and right now there is only $9M of dead money after his contract ends. If we do restructure him that savings just rolls and covers the dead money so the easier comparison is without assuming another restructure

He's a 32 million dead cap plus 9M in 2028. That's without any restructures. Are you seeing anything different?

 

[Jarntt]

He's a 32 million dead cap plus 9M in 2028. That's without any restructures. Are you seeing anything different?

Yes, that is the $9M after his contract ends that I stated
2028 current cap hit is $78M. If we cut him pre-6/1 it's $28M in dead money or almost $50M in cap savings

note - not trying to make this a cut Dak thread. I'm not suggesting that just answering the question and pointing out the math

 

[KingCorcoran]

Come on now. It’s not the podcast. It’s the disappearing late every season. It’s the fall off in run defense. It’s the slowing down because he is mismanaged. You might not want to read but I am clear that Parsons is an elite talent. I blame the Cowboys for his shortcomings. I asked for feedback on some of the issues and you get all worked up.

An owner that wants to be the GM. And he has an in-season radio show to speak to fans. Jerry does not have to do either of these things. We can assume he does it because he likes to be GM and he likes to be the guy fans hear from. A star player decides to do a podcast and fans are listening. Jerry does not control the narrative on that podcast. I think it’s safe to assume he does not like that.

It’s not so much the podcast as it’s Micah’s popularity that Jerry Jones is not particularly comfortable with. Micah is becoming more “the Dallas Cowboys” than Jerry is. That can’t sit well with an NFL owner that loves attention. He could sell 15% interest in the team, as other team do, creating $1.5 billion in working capital. He doesn’t do it. He won’t allow even a small minority owner to join him. Commanders sold a tiny interest to Magic Johnson and use him for promotion. Jerry Jones is being trampled by today’s NFL. Micah Parsons represents today’s NFL. Do the math.

 

[JayFord]

There’s not a soul on this team that poses the threat that Micah Parsons presents

He’s what you build around and not trade unless you’re getting three #1 picks or two #1 and a number 2

Williams and EZE are unproven and Fowler is Solid

We would be worse because you’d have to take one of those number 1s and draft a generational DE and a generational QB (we need one) and the risk is TOO high right now

 

[Flamma]

Yes, that is the $9M after his contract ends that I stated
2028 current cap hit is $78M. If we cut him pre-6/1 it's $28M in dead money or almost $50M in cap savings

note - not trying to make this a cut Dak thread. I'm not suggesting that just answering the question and pointing out the math

Ok. But I see a few restructures in the time from now to 2028. I'm not saying I'm for it. I'm just expecting it. The 9M will go to 30-40M by the time we separate.

 

[Jarntt]

Ok. But I see a few restructures in the time from now to 2028. I'm not saying I'm for it. I'm just expecting it. The 9M will go to 30-40M by the time we separate.

Yes, I agree with you, but since we won't likely spend it or at least all of it, the rollover will cover the dead money

 

[Pass2Run]

do you sign Bland over Parsons? the cap space is not an issue. if Jerry really wanted he could sign Parsons and give Smith an early contract extension to give him flexibility to sign bland and pickens. but Jerry is being Jerry. he is milking the media and publicity. it worked wonders for him last year as Dak's contract was topic of discussion in the media the entire off season. now parsons.

you think he gives a damn who gets how much? he doesn't. its all BS coming out of his mouth. there is cost controls in place for the team, and money gets spread across 50+ players. there is a reason we have one of the lowest dead cap money. because Jerry tends to keep players to the end of their contract. he doesn't let them go because of bad play (unless its personal to him or they are one legged). there is a reason we are middle of the pack in bonuses and that's mostly because of Dak and CD contracts, other wise we were 29th. there is a reason we are 26th in cash spent. its all about the bottom line. Parsons was top 3 jersey sales in NFL. all the money goes to Jerry and Cowboys because of the deal he has. its not shared revenue. you think for one second he is going to let this cash cow go?

he will let williams walk and maybe get a 3rd or 4th round pick and be happy. he will let bland walk, and put revel in for a couple of years. he will resign Pickens because cha ching on jersey sales. he will resign Smith because he has no other choice.

Jerry could have signed Parsons last year for 32M a year or so. he waited and now its 41. earlier in the off season price was about 38. he could have signed. for him to come and talk about injury and how many games played blah blah... its off season. save 3M on the cap and sign him already, but where is the fun in that. fading into the media background and being a non-story... nah jerry wouldn't have it.

Parsons will be resigned.

To me, I'd rather sign Bland, Pickens, Smith than Parsons if that's the choice.

Micah is good, but he's a one trick pony who is vulnerable against the run.

We do have a whole lot of other pass rushers. Thing is, I want Micah at LB sometimes. But it didn't he'd do it at this point, because it's less money.

Jerry may be thinking the same thing. Maybe that's why he isn't signed.

 

[CowboysFaninHouston]

To me, I'd rather sign Bland, Pickens, Smith than Parsons if that's the choice.

Micah is good, but he's a one trick pony who is vulnerable against the run.

We do have a whole lot of other pass rushers. Thing is, I want Micah at LB sometimes. But it didn't he'd do it at this point, because it's less money.

Jerry may be thinking the same thing. Maybe that's why he isn't signed.

we need pass rushers. as many as we can get. 3 good pass rushers don't equal a great pass rusher. with that said, I agree, he is vunerable against the run. but our defense sucks. LBs are meh and DT....we know the stories there and our Safties are meh as well. we need a few more good players and let Parsons do what he does. with that said, he also can't disappear in playoffs, but I also think he is overwroekd.

with all of that said, I would trade him if I could. he should fetch at least a first rounder. my biggest issue with him is he is not 100% focused on football.

 

[Whyjerry]

An owner that wants to be the GM. And he has an in-season radio show to speak to fans. Jerry does not have to do either of these things. We can assume he does it because he likes to be GM and he likes to be the guy fans hear from. A star player decides to do a podcast and fans are listening. Jerry does not control the narrative on that podcast. I think it’s safe to assume he does not like that.

It’s not so much the podcast as it’s Micah’s popularity that Jerry Jones is not particularly comfortable with. Micah is becoming more “the Dallas Cowboys” than Jerry is. That can’t sit well with an NFL owner that loves attention. He could sell 15% interest in the team, as other team do, creating $1.5 billion in working capital. He doesn’t do it. He won’t allow even a small minority owner to join him. Commanders sold a tiny interest to Magic Johnson and use him for promotion. Jerry Jones is being trampled by today’s NFL. Micah Parsons represents today’s NFL. Do the math.

Parsons represents the NFL? Really? Great player but he isn’t a Mahomes or Allen. I bet Lamb sells more jerseys.

To be clear again I blame the Jones for everything. They could have locked up Parsons last year. They waited and now he will cost $5-10 more per year. I am not 100pct sure they can even sign him at this point. If Jerry wanted a partner he could have one but those narcissistic clowns won’t do that. If the Lakers sold for $10B the Cowboys are worth $20B at least. Jerry bought the team for $140. He could carve off 10 pct and make 15X. He won’t though because there is zero chance he shares the spot light. Money is not the issue. The issue is whether or not Parsons is worth $45-50MM per. Personally I think this team is a long way off and I would rather lock up Smith and have a couple high picks.