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Dolphins' Thomas seeks a winner

'It has to be a winning team first. I've got to fit the scheme. I'm looking at a team with a group of good guys,' Zach Thomas said of the type of team he wants to join.

Posted on Sat, Feb. 16, 2008

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BY ARMANDO SALGUERO

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JOE RIMKUS JR./MIAMI HERALD STAFF
Zach Thomas, shown defending a pass by the Patriots' Tom Brady, could end up being Brady's teammate next season.



One day after being released by the Dolphins, Zach Thomas was at the place he has spent countless hours the past dozen seasons during his NFL career.

The Dolphins training facility.


He was tying up loose ends, including speaking with various media outlets to say goodbye.


He said the Dolphins didn't ask him to take a pay cut to stay so he had no choice but to accept his departure at age 34. He said he isn't exactly thrilled that he has to leave the Dolphins.
''Anytime you're cut, it's not great,'' he said.


But in the same breath, he is clearly excited about new possibilities in his career. And, true to form, he has been preparing for the likelihood he would be playing somewhere else.


''Ever since the last game of the season, you know me, I've been breaking down the defenses on a bunch of teams to see which one fits me,'' Thomas said. ``I broke down nine teams, all 16 of their games. I've had a lot of time on my hands, I guess, so I've been looking at three or four games a day. I've been seeing which defenses have needs to fill, and I've got them all saved up on the computer.''


Thomas said his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, has been fielding phone calls from interested teams. Rosenhaus has mentioned New England, Indianapolis, San Diego and Dallas as teams that make sense.


''There are a couple of others, too,'' Thomas said, declining to name them. He said he has compiled a list of requisites for the teams he will look at:


''It has to be a winning team first,'' he said. ``I've got to fit the scheme. I'm looking at a team with a group of good guys. I'm looking at the place because I will be living there. And I'm looking to see what their quarterback situation is because you need a good quarterback and a good offense to win.''


Thomas had been considering retirement since the end of the season, but that is out of the question now given what he calls ``being totally healthy.''


''I'm not waking up with achy joints,'' Thomas said. ``Look, if my play had dropped last year and I was feeling wrong, I'd stop. But why do that when I can still play? I've been doing this since I was in third grade. It's been an important part of my life and I still feel I can play. So that's what I'm going to do. I know when to turn the page, but it's not time.''


Thomas wants to play, but it won't be about money or being a star on his next team.


''I want to go somewhere and fit in,'' he said. ``I want to go to a team that doesn't need me as much as I need them.''
 

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Thomas said his agent, Drew Rosenhaus, has been fielding phone calls from interested teams. Rosenhaus has mentioned New England, Indianapolis, San Diego and Dallas as teams that make sense.

If that is the case, the Colts would make the most sense as they could use LB help and run a scheme similar to what he was in with the Dolphins.

I would love to have his veteran leadership on our team but he would not likely be a starter here so I don't see it happening. I would prefer Keith Brooking if he is released by the Falcons, younger, bigger, and has played well in Wade's defense before.
 

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''I want to go somewhere and fit in,'' he said. ``I want to go to a team that doesn't need me as much as I need them.''

Does that mean he is willing to take less money and a reduced role in order to play for a contender?

If so, it might be worth it for the Boys. Save some money, improve depth and vet leadership on the team.
 

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THUMPER;1957952 said:
If that is the case, the Colts would make the most sense as they could use LB help and run a scheme similar to what he was in with the Dolphins.


Does not make sense. Colts like their MLB, Gary Brackett. Also, it is not Colts philosophy to sign aging vets.


THUMPER;1957952 said:
I would love to have his veteran leadership on our team but he would not likely be a starter here so I don't see it happening. I would prefer Keith Brooking if he is released by the Falcons, younger, bigger, and has played well in Wade's defense before.

I prefer Brooking too, but so would a lot of teams due to the very reasons you mention. Dallas would not have to get into bidding war for Thomas, if he chooses Dallas it will not be for a big contract, unlike the younger Brooking.

And besides, Brooking is only a year or two younger than Thomas.
 

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BAT;1958000 said:
Does not make sense. Colts like their MLB, Gary Brackett. Also, it is not Colts philosophy to sign aging vets.
That may be true but if Thomas is willing to take a lesser role and a friendly contract then it might work out well for them.

I prefer Brooking too, but so would a lot of teams due to the very reasons you mention. Dallas would not have to get into bidding war for Thomas, if he chooses Dallas it will not be for a big contract, unlike the younger Brooking.

And besides, Brooking is only a year or two younger than Thomas.

On the one hand you say Brooking will cost more because he is younger and then you say that he isn't much younger, which is it? :D

Brooking has been healthier than Thomas the last few years (KB hasn't missed a game in the last 7 seasons) and would likely be a starter here unlike Thomas who would probably be a role player where ever he lands. I would pay for Brooking as he is worth it and would be an upgrade over Ayodele, particularly in coverage, which has been a major problem for us.

I see us paying for a couple of outside FAs (besides re-signing our own) and Brooking would be worth it for us, especially if he replaces Ayodele. They are virtually the same size and Akin is 4 years younger (28 - 32) but Brooking is a serious upgrade in talent and would immediately improve our inside run defense as well as our short pass defense.
 

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THUMPER;1957952 said:
If that is the case, the Colts would make the most sense as they could use LB help and run a scheme similar to what he was in with the Dolphins.

I would love to have his veteran leadership on our team but he would not likely be a starter here so I don't see it happening. I would prefer Keith Brooking if he is released by the Falcons, younger, bigger, and has played well in Wade's defense before.

My thoughts exactly about Indy. Also think if he comes here cheap he can add that veterans heart/leadership we lack around here. This guy would contribute more mentally than physically around the youngsters.

Brooking is definitely an upgrade to our roster but it's just a luxury at this point..

ethiostar;1957998 said:
Does that mean he is willing to take less money and a reduced role in order to play for a contender?

If so, it might be worth it for the Boys. Save some money, improve depth and vet leadership on the team.

I wondered if that was a type-o myself. I'd be interested in bringing him in on a 1-2 year bargain option deal..
 

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THUMPER;1958004 said:
That may be true but if Thomas is willing to take a lesser role and a friendly contract then it might work out well for them.



On the one hand you say Brooking will cost more because he is younger and then you say that he isn't much younger, which is it? :D

Brooking has been healthier than Thomas the last few years (KB hasn't missed a game in the last 7 seasons) and would likely be a starter here unlike Thomas who would probably be a role player where ever he lands. I would pay for Brooking as he is worth it and would be an upgrade over Ayodele, particularly in coverage, which has been a major problem for us.

I see us paying for a couple of outside FAs (besides re-signing our own) and Brooking would be worth it for us, especially if he replaces Ayodele. They are virtually the same size and Akin is 4 years younger (28 - 32) but Brooking is a serious upgrade in talent and would immediately improve our inside run defense as well as our short pass defense.

Being uninjured for a long period prior to joining another team doesn't matter if you play pro football. Marco Rivera was healthy all his career I believe, and coming off 3 straight pro-bowls to boot. His first off-season with Dallas was the beginning of the end.
I'd love to have Thomas or Brooking at LB. Experience at ILB seems to be thin in Dallas, even though James had a decent season. I just don't see Ayodele at all during games, he seems to disappear. Plus, experience at ILB never hurt the Patriots.
 

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aardvark;1958092 said:
Being uninjured for a long period prior to joining another team doesn't matter if you play pro football. Marco Rivera was healthy all his career I believe, and coming off 3 straight pro-bowls to boot. His first off-season with Dallas was the beginning of the end.

Sure it does. If a guy has a history of concussions or back problems then those things are a concern. If a guy has not missed any time with chronic injuries then the likelihood of him missing time with another team is much less.

I'd love to have Thomas or Brooking at LB. Experience at ILB seems to be thin in Dallas, even though James had a decent season. I just don't see Ayodele at all during games, he seems to disappear. Plus, experience at ILB never hurt the Patriots.

I also would like to see the ILB position upgraded with a playmaker and Brooking fits that description.
 

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My money is on the patriots. He wants to win, and they need help at LB. He would play for peanuts.
 

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THUMPER;1958004 said:
That may be true but if Thomas is willing to take a lesser role and a friendly contract then it might work out well for them.



On the one hand you say Brooking will cost more because he is younger and then you say that he isn't much younger, which is it? :D

Brooking has been healthier than Thomas the last few years (KB hasn't missed a game in the last 7 seasons) and would likely be a starter here unlike Thomas who would probably be a role player where ever he lands. I would pay for Brooking as he is worth it and would be an upgrade over Ayodele, particularly in coverage, which has been a major problem for us.

I see us paying for a couple of outside FAs (besides re-signing our own) and Brooking would be worth it for us, especially if he replaces Ayodele. They are virtually the same size and Akin is 4 years younger (28 - 32) but Brooking is a serious upgrade in talent and would immediately improve our inside run defense as well as our short pass defense.

dude are you serious Brooking is not a 3-4 linebacker and besides brooking is horrible aginst the run and only avg in coverage. Zach would be a better fit but his age does form a problem
 

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THUMPER;1958102 said:
Sure it does. If a guy has a history of concussions or back problems then those things are a concern. If a guy has not missed any time with chronic injuries then the likelihood of him missing time with another team is much less.

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I might have created an oxymoron there Thumper.
Yes, of course it does matter. What I meant was the body is naturally going to have wear and tear with every football season. What did not matter was where he is playing due to the fact he can still play. Now being able to play at a high level that would excite the fan base is what is most important.

What you are saying now, if the guy has not missed any time due to injuries, then the likelihood of him missing time with another team is actually completely unknown. Yes there are percentages for and against the probability of being injured. That of course would take into account the fitness of the player presently and his history of injury. But, that cannot be determined at all due to the fact that every NFL player is one severe injury away from unemployment.
 

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triplets92;1958098 said:
dallas does not need a 34 yr old mlb

Agreed...

The only thing I think he could really offer Dallas is that type of veteran leadership that we lack, but I don't think he has that Ray Lewis type killer instinct that we need.
 

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Future;1958168 said:
Agreed...

The only thing I think he could really offer Dallas is that type of veteran leadership that we lack, but I don't think he has that Ray Lewis type killer instinct that we need.

On the field? Or off?:D
 

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I have always loved Zach...but he would not be a fit for Dallas. He needs togo to a 4-3 team. And with his recent history of head injuries he is a big risk for whoever picks him up.
 

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triplets92;1958127 said:
dude are you serious Brooking is not a 3-4 linebacker and besides brooking is horrible aginst the run and only avg in coverage. Zach would be a better fit but his age does form a problem

I know I probably shouldn't respond to you since your comments make it quite clear that you have no clue what you are talking about, but here goes...

1. Brooking played under Wade Philips before and made a seamless transition from the 4-3 to the 3-4 and back again.

2. He has registered over 100 tackles in every season he has started and is excellent against the run.

3. Wade Philips said that Brooking was outstanding in coverage and that he never had to worry about blitzing because he knew KB would be in coverage.

4. Perhaps you should actually WATCH the guy play a game or two before making ridiculous comments like that.

Sheesh. :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2: :bang2:
 

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Cbz40;1957951 said:
''Anytime you're cut, it's not great,'' he said.


''It has to be a winning team first,'' he said. ``I've got to fit the scheme. ''

Well, I can see that in the mental department, he is near a genius.

This geezer from an awful team is setting down conditions? Then my assumption is that he will play dirt cheap, right?
 

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GimmeTheBall!;1958547 said:
Well, I can see that in the mental department, he is near a genius.

This geezer from an awful team is setting down conditions? Then my assumption is that he will play dirt cheap, right?
The geezer from the awful team has had inquiries from the Patriots, the Chargers, the Colts, and Dallas. I'm sure you'll agree that those are all poorly run teams that could easily be duped into making such a foolish hire.
 

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Thanks, but no thanks. I know Jimmy was a great talent evaluator, but do we really need one of his original draftees in Miami from a dozen years ago?
 
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