Micah's impact on takeaways

[HungryLion]

One thing I think people aren’t taking much consideration into with discussion about Micah’s impact, is the impact he has on takeaways.

The cowboys defense with Micah Parsons on the field generates more takeaways. Significantly more.

When the cowboys didn’t have Micah parsons last year due to injury. They were 26th in the NFL in takeaways. After Micah came back last season? They led the league in takeaways and sacks.


As a matter of fact from 2021 to 2023 the cowboys were #1 in the entire NFL in takeaways. With 93 over those 3 seasons.

The prior 3 seasons the cowboys averaged 18th in the NFL in takeaways. With a total of 60.

The truth is the Cowboys defense is a turnover machine when Micah is on the field. And they have been below average or worse without him.

His constant pressure on the QB leads to a lot of INTs and QB fumbles.

Micah does in fact “make the players around him better”

 

[Vtwin]

Good point.

Those takeaways don't get enough credit for their impact on the 12-5 seasons.

 

[jazzcat22]

Did this info get sent to Jerry.
If he really is all on winning a SB. This is important data.

Otherwise he is just in it for the publicity.

 

[HungryLion]

Good point.

Those takeaways don't get enough credit for their impact on the 12-5 seasons.

Exactly, they were one of if not the most important factors in the Cowboys record. Turnover ratio correlates with winning games more than any other stat in the league.


Doesn’t hurt to get more takeaways when Prescott is your QB either. Lol

I’m not saying the Cowboys have to keep Parsons. I just think it’s not right for fans to try and minimize his impact on the team. The team is a far far better team with him, than without. Trading him for picks would be a massive risk in and of itself. Probably a larger risk than paying him IMO.

 

[gtb1943]

One thing I think people aren’t taking much consideration into with discussion about Micah’s impact, is the impact he has on takeaways.

The cowboys defense with Micah Parsons on the field generates more takeaways. Significantly more.

When the cowboys didn’t have Micah parsons last year due to injury. They were 26th in the NFL in takeaways. After Micah came back last season? They led the league in takeaways and sacks.


As a matter of fact from 2021 to 2023 the cowboys were #1 in the entire NFL in takeaways. With 93 over those 3 seasons.

The prior 3 seasons the cowboys averaged 18th in the NFL in takeaways. With a total of 60.

The truth is the Cowboys defense is a turnover machine when Micah is on the field. And they have been below average or worse without him.

His constant pressure on the QB leads to a lot of INTs and QB fumbles.

Micah does in fact “make the players around him better”

prove micah is the main reason for the takeaways

You can't, can you?

There are lots of factors behind all stats so you can say it but you cannot prove it

 

[HungryLion]

prove micah is the main reason for the takeaways

You can't, can you?

There are lots of factors behind all stats so you can say it but you cannot prove it

You could say this about every argument ever in regards to a players impact on their team.

This isn’t really a rebuttal to the argument I presented though.

 

[baltcowboy]

One thing I think people aren’t taking much consideration into with discussion about Micah’s impact, is the impact he has on takeaways.

The cowboys defense with Micah Parsons on the field generates more takeaways. Significantly more.

When the cowboys didn’t have Micah parsons last year due to injury. They were 26th in the NFL in takeaways. After Micah came back last season? They led the league in takeaways and sacks.


As a matter of fact from 2021 to 2023 the cowboys were #1 in the entire NFL in takeaways. With 93 over those 3 seasons.

The prior 3 seasons the cowboys averaged 18th in the NFL in takeaways. With a total of 60.

The truth is the Cowboys defense is a turnover machine when Micah is on the field. And they have been below average or worse without him.

His constant pressure on the QB leads to a lot of INTs and QB fumbles.

Micah does in fact “make the players around him better”

Parsons made our defense a take 5 defense in sacks and turnovers as soon as he become a pass rusher against San Diego in 2021. Everyone seems to forget that. He changed our football team from day 1.

 

[Coogiguy03]

Good points but with Micah in the game how much better is the run d

 

[HungryLion]

Good points but with Micah in the game how much better is the run d

Small sample size (cowboys have only not had him for 4 games since he joined the league).

They allowed 143 yards per game without him last year. And allowed 133 per game with him. So they allowed less per game with him than without him last year.

Those Niners that owned Parsons? Last year without Parsons the Niners rushed for 223 yards. With Isaac Guerendo leading the way. No McAffrey.

 

[Jarntt]

One thing I think people aren’t taking much consideration into with discussion about Micah’s impact, is the impact he has on takeaways.

The cowboys defense with Micah Parsons on the field generates more takeaways. Significantly more.

When the cowboys didn’t have Micah parsons last year due to injury. They were 26th in the NFL in takeaways. After Micah came back last season? They led the league in takeaways and sacks.


As a matter of fact from 2021 to 2023 the cowboys were #1 in the entire NFL in takeaways. With 93 over those 3 seasons.

The prior 3 seasons the cowboys averaged 18th in the NFL in takeaways. With a total of 60.

The truth is the Cowboys defense is a turnover machine when Micah is on the field. And they have been below average or worse without him.

His constant pressure on the QB leads to a lot of INTs and QB fumbles.

Micah does in fact “make the players around him better”

I’m not for a second doubting this but did you read it somewhere or calculate it yourself?

 

[RustyBourneHorse]

Good point.

Those takeaways don't get enough credit for their impact on the 12-5 seasons.

Exactly, when we didn't have takeaways, the games didn't usually go very well

 

[HungryLion]

I’m not for a second doubting this but did you read it somewhere or calculate it yourself?

A combination of self calculation and pulling from various sources.

https://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/id...s-defense-takeaways-micah-parsons-daron-bland


https://www.statmuse.com/nfl/ask/cowboys-takeaways-by-season-from-2006-to-2023

 

[HungryLion]

I wonder why this is. Ya know given Micah is such a liability against the run and the reason the cowboys run defense stinks.

This number is affected heavily by the turnovers forced when he is on the field. But that’s because turnovers are so so so important to winning games.

 

[Creeper]

Thank you. People are discounting how much impact Micah has even when he doesn't get sacks. Offenses have to account for him. Watch Hurts throw quick passes. Look at how GB had 3 guys to make sure Micah did not disrupt their passing game. The problem is Micah is alone out there. The Cowboys have not developed an impact DLman to help Micah and that is the bigger problem.

 

[Rayman70]

Micah and takeaways need to happen against the good teams also. We've not really seen much of that and its not just a Micah problem.

 

[Macnalty]

Parsons made our defense a take 5 defense in sacks and turnovers as soon as he become a pass rusher against San Diego in 2021. Everyone seems to forget that. He changed our football team from day 1.

Bill Barnwell put out this very interesting stat, well at least I find in interesting: since Micah entered the NFL the Cowboys have the best defense in the NFL by EPA when he is on the field. Whenever Micah is not on the field, the Cowboys have the second worst D in the NFL by EPA.

 

[Rayman70]

Thank you. People are discounting how much impact Micah has even when he doesn't get sacks. Offenses have to account for him. Watch Hurts throw quick passes. Look at how GB had 3 guys to make sure Micah did not disrupt their passing game. The problem is Micah is alone out there. The Cowboys have not developed an impact DLman to help Micah and that is the bigger problem.

alone? At times, but I feel its more of a matter of not using him right coupled with him being overly aggressive, thus over pursuing. In my opinion, he should be playing linebacker mostly, THEN watch how much our run and pass defense gets better. He made it known he wants nothing to do with playing off the ball anymore. He is limiting himself and what we can do with him. Not great. I do trust this staff to get the most out of him, IF hes here.

 

[Bigdog]

Read an article yesterday where they proposed this trade for Micah. 2026 1st rd, 2027 1st rd, 2026 2nd rd, 2027 3 rd, and Zach Collin. A lot of people blasted the trade in the comment section

 

[John813]

Small sample size (cowboys have only not had him for 4 games since he joined the league).

They allowed 143 yards per game without him last year. And allowed 133 per game with him. So they allowed less per game with him than without him last year.

Those Niners that owned Parsons? Last year without Parsons the Niners rushed for 223 yards. With Isaac Guerendo leading the way. No McAffrey.

Thing is, even vs the Ravens, which we knew would run the ball, ran options and just had TOP.

There were a few plays where even D-Law, at least known for being a edge setter, just got sucked in by the option.

Ravens had an advantage in the trenches across the line. They also had two runners in Lamar and Henry, one being elusive and the other a Madden RB creation bulldozer with speed to just wear down the defense. Dallas defense for years has been built on passrushing. Get the lead and feast.
Well, against certain teams we can't get the lead nor stop their run game. Ravens, for years, has been a tough matchup due to that.

Sure, Parsons isn't known for great edge contain, but the rest of the line is also one dimensional. Osa can explode through gaps, but more of a pass rushing role than run contain. Smith/Joseph sucked as the 1 tech. D-Law was our only run capable guy but even he had to respect both Lamar and Henry causing a delay on who to go after.
Our linebackers as a group aren't that good vs the run. Overshown can chase, but not someone that could stack and shed.
We really haven't had a good run stopper at LB since Lee/Hitchens, and Lee could get overpowered at times.
To me, it's been a fundamental flaw with our defense since the Kiffin/Rod era.

 

[gtb1943]

You could say this about every argument ever in regards to a players impact on their team.

This isn’t really a rebuttal to the argument I presented though.

you tried to give him the majority of credit with no evidence to back it up
so you never had an argument to begin with