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A Cleveland police officer was found not guilty today in the 2012 shooting deaths of an unarmed couple, an incident that involved a high-speed chase and a hail of bullets.

Michael Brelo was found not guilty of voluntary manslaughter and a lesser charge of felonious assault for the shooting deaths of Timothy Russell and Malissa Williams.. He was visibly emotional as Cuyahoga County Judge John P. O'Donnell read a portion of the verdict in open court.

Prosecutors said Brelo, 31, was one of 13 officers who fired a total of 137 times into the couple's car in the November 2012 shooting but O'Donnell ruled that his entire use of deadly force was constitutionally reasonable.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/verdict-reach-trial-cleveland-police-officer-accused-2012/story?id=31252998

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Riots incoming....................and he deserved to be prosecuted IMO.
 

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Over 130 shots fired by 13 officers comes out to around 10 shots fired each. Don't they teach these guys anything about fire control/discipline?
 

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Brelo was the only officer charged criminally because prosecutors said he intended to kill Russell, 43, and Williams, 30
Proving intent to kill is difficult to do when he fired less than half the shots and the couple were each shot 20 times. When the judge ruled he couldn't determine whether the officer alone fired the fatal shots that is understandable.
 

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Proving intent to kill is difficult to do when he fired less than half the shots and the couple were each shot 20 times. When the judge ruled he couldn't determine whether the officer alone fired the fatal shots that is understandable.

So his intent was not to kill?
Maybe he was trying to save them?
I know when I fire 10 bullets at 2 people my intent is not to kill
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Talk about sinking to new depths
 

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Proving intent to kill is difficult to do when he fired less than half the shots and the couple were each shot 20 times. When the judge ruled he couldn't determine whether the officer alone fired the fatal shots that is understandable.

Yeah, the only reason they went after this guy is because he fired like 50 of the 130, plus he jumped on the hood of the car to shoot.

Go out alone and kill someone. Who's guilty?
Go out with 10 others and kill someone. Who's guilty?
 

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I have no idea what his intent was and neither do you. That is why I said proving what his intent was would be very difficult.

I think his intent was to shoot them. If he was firing that many warning shots, he needs to go back to the police academy refresher course. Ditto if he missed every shot at that range.
 

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Everyone with a shred of common sense is laughing at you

So you can state with 100% certainty what his thought process and intentions were? Obviously a judge can't figure it out but it's good to know you are smarter than him.
 

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Don't lead police on a 22 mile, 25 minute chase. You take those kinds of risks, mistakes are more likely to happen. The cops clearly over-reacted, but had they not been amped on adrenaline, and thought the people were shooting at them, then nobody would have died. But the driver decided to run through downtown Cleveland, put everyone around him (or her, not sure who was driving) at risk, and they paid a tragic price.
 

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Don't know all the details but the use of deadly force was deemed lawful I never once pulled my gun but considered it twice and I had my hand on my weapon several times I wish we did have less of this
 

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All I see is the lawfully killing of two careless individuals that put the publics safety in serious jeopardy. What am I missing? How do some of you not see that?
 

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The notion that these two people killed were unarmed is flat out wrong. A motor vehicle being driven in the dangerous manner in which it was being driven in this case is a deadly weapon no less harmful than any firearm being used with similar carelessness.
 

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This is just my take on the case and this ( http://videos.cleveland.com/plain-dealer/2012/12/security_video_of_beginning_of.html ) is the beginning of the entire mess. Sorry, no audio.

Important considerations

(American) Life rule: Shoot at the police and the odds of life threatening retaliation to protect public safety, their safety, and possibly for emotional psychological reasons increase dramatically.

Vehicle malfunction: A backfire happens when too much air enters the fuel system, faulty spark plugs, bad catalytic converter, etc.--sometimes a typical symptom of old vehicles. A backfire sounds exactly like a firearm discharging.

Human reality: The instinct to survive is powerful, sometimes to the point where it overrides all reason.

My narrative

A couple drives in a car (1979 Chevrolet Malibu) that backfires.

A police officer stops his patrol car to visit someone and talks to him/her on the sidewalk.

The car passes by the police officer.

The car backfires at that exact moment.

The police officer reacts to the sound of a gunshot fired in his immediate vicinity (e.g. startled).

He immediately believes he was the intended victim of a drive by shooting.

He jumps in his car and starts his pursuit of the shooter.

Within a few seconds, the driver of the car that backfires: a) reacts to the car backfire (e.g. startled), b) notices the parked police car and possibly the police officer react at the same time, c) says, "****!", d) the flight instinct immediately took hold and he/she floored the gas pedal believing a police officer mistook the car backfiring as a gun discharging, and e) attempts escape from possible police action involving deadly force.

The police chase has commenced.

Police officers believe the suspect being chased attempted to shoot and kill a fellow officer.

The driver and/or couple believe they may be shot and/or killed if they voluntarily stop the vehicle.

Note: The old car continued to backfire throughout the pursuit and possibly even when the car has stopped and idling.
(Fast forward to the end)

The police chase, involving both the fleeing car and numerous pursuit law enforcement vehicles, has endangered public safety.

Additionally, an unknown number of police officers involved in the pursuit believe the suspect has shot at them.

The police officers believe there is only one way to resolve the situation. They shoot to kill. One police officer is so psychologically and emotionally motivated to end the situation that he jumps atop the vehicle despite being in another officer's line of fire:
Rookie officer Brian Sabolik who was assigned to the same district as Brelo, told investigators he stopped firing after 'someone' jumped on the hood of the Malibu.

Officer Sabolik said he later learned it was Brelo.

Asked how he found out, Sabolik said: 'Because [Brelo] was talking about it.'
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3026549/Indicted-cop-recall-shooting-suspects-hood-car.html

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My opinion

The situation began with a backfire so the pursuit and lethal shooting wasn't racially motivated. The couple' fate was sealed not necessarily because they attempted to flee but because ther car made it appear that they were shooting at the police.

How can this same type of tragedy be averted in the future? There is zero possibility of removing all vehicles that backfire from being operated. And while better monitoring, screening, education, etc., may help lessen the deadly unprovoked shootings of unarmed suspects (or victims), especially racially motivated shootings, those factors will not prevent police officers from reacting instinctively to something that sounds exactly like gunfire.
 

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This is just my take on the case and this ( http://videos.cleveland.com/plain-dealer/2012/12/security_video_of_beginning_of.html ) is the beginning of the entire mess. Sorry, no audio.

Important considerations

(American) Life rule: Shoot at the police and the odds of life threatening retaliation to protect public safety, their safety, and possibly for emotional psychological reasons increase dramatically.

Vehicle malfunction: A backfire happens when too much air enters the fuel system, faulty spark plugs, bad catalytic converter, etc.--sometimes a typical symptom of old vehicles. A backfire sounds exactly like a firearm discharging.

Human reality: The instinct to survive is powerful, sometimes to the point where it overrides all reason.

My narrative

A couple drives in a car (1979 Chevrolet Malibu) that backfires.

A police officer stops his patrol car to visit someone and talks to him/her on the sidewalk.

The car passes by the police officer.

The car backfires at that exact moment.

The police officer reacts to the sound of a gunshot fired in his immediate vicinity (e.g. startled).

He immediately believes he was the intended victim of a drive by shooting.

He jumps in his car and starts his pursuit of the shooter.

Within a few seconds, the driver of the car that backfires: a) reacts to the car backfire (e.g. startled), b) notices the parked police car and possibly the police officer react at the same time, c) says, "****!", d) the flight instinct immediately took hold and he/she floored the gas pedal believing a police officer mistook the car backfiring as a gun discharging, and e) attempts escape from possible police action involving deadly force.

The police chase has commenced.

Police officers believe the suspect being chased attempted to shoot and kill a fellow officer.

The driver and/or couple believe they may be shot and/or killed if they voluntarily stop the vehicle.

Note: The old car continued to backfire throughout the pursuit and possibly even when the car has stopped and idling.
(Fast forward to the end)

The police chase, involving both the fleeing car and numerous pursuit law enforcement vehicles, has endangered public safety.

Additionally, an unknown number of police officers involved in the pursuit believe the suspect has shot at them.

The police officers believe there is only one way to resolve the situation. They shoot to kill. One police officer is so psychologically and emotionally motivated to end the situation that he jumps atop the vehicle despite being in another officer's line of fire: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3026549/Indicted-cop-recall-shooting-suspects-hood-car.html

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My opinion

The situation began with a backfire so the pursuit and lethal shooting wasn't racially motivated. The couple' fate was sealed not necessarily because they attempted to flee but because ther car made it appear that they were shooting at the police.

How can this same type of tragedy be averted in the future? There is zero possibility of removing all vehicles that backfire from being operated. And while better monitoring, screening, education, etc., may help lessen the deadly unprovoked shootings of unarmed suspects (or victims), especially racially motivated shootings, those factors will not prevent police officers from reacting instinctively to something that sounds exactly like gunfire.

I've never had an urge to run or flee from police but then again I've been a law abiding citizen my whole life raised by law abiding citizens that taught me to always respect the police and stop immediately if they are attempting to pull me over. So my only conclusion is this was not the case with these two that got themselves killed.
 

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I've never had an urge to run or flee from police but then again I've been a law abiding citizen my whole life raised by law abiding citizens that taught me to always respect the police and stop immediately if they are attempting to pull me over. So my only conclusion is this was not the case with these two that got themselves killed.
That's a naïve assumption but I respect anyone from sharing it.
 
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