Michael irvin says his camp will be tougher than camp cupcake

[cowboyjoe]

Michael Irvin on Camp Cupcake and T.O.
10:25 AM Wed, Mar 11, 2009 | Permalink
Barry Horn E-mail News tips
There was a media confab for Michael Irvin's "so you wanna be a Cowboy" reality show this morning at the Cotton Bowl. The 8 a.m. starting time on a miserable rainy day included no coffee or pastries for the assembled but it did at least have a cupcake reference. Sort of.


At the sitdown with Irvin, I innocently asked if the reality TV weeding out process to find a player for the Cowboys to take to training camp might be more physically and mentally challenging than the camp itself.

Yes it will be, he assured.

"I hate to say it, especially their training camp," Irvin concluded, indicting the Cowboys Camp Cupcake image.Earlier, Star-Telegrammer Clarence Hill managed to wedge in a Terrell Owens question in the midst of conversation about Spike TV's 4th and Long project.

It was prefaced by someone asking if Irvin considered himself somewhat of the owner/GM of this undertaking. "I wish I was an owner," Irvin said.

"Would you have kept Terrell Owens?" Hill inquired.

That prompted Irvin to laugh. "That's funny," he said before responding with a definite "Yes."

 

[5Stars]

That is one thing that I do not like about Wade! Just because he's soft does not mean that his training camps have to be so soft.

Those players should HATE to go to camp, but with Wade...no biggie...no pads for days on end, no hitting, just "aw, shucks, we are a family"!

 

[Woods]

That is one thing that I do not like about Wade! Just because he's soft does not mean that his training camps have to be so soft.

Those players should HATE to go to camp, but with Wade...no biggie...no pads for days on end, no hitting, just "aw, shucks, we are a family"!

I do think this camp is going to be lot different. Much more physical, much more hitting.

This off-season thus far has been more challenging than I thought it would be. JJ/Wade are making difficult roster decisions. Decisions I don't think they would have made a year or two ago.

I genuinely think they want to try something different since the stuff they have been trying before just didn't cut it.

Anyway, just my opinion.

 

[ShiningStar]

Great, lets have a rigourous training camp so we can all say our team is tough as nails as the injuries mount. Maybe if we're lucky we can lose the whole starting offensive line.


Being in shape and knowing what to do wasnt the major factor of the Cowboys downfall. AND dont even tell me its what propelled the Giants to win their SB and the legacy of the Steelers.

Get over it people, just because the media, WHo most never played football, can scream about something, doesnt mean they are right, or even have a clue as to what its about.

 

[Bob Sacamano]

That is one thing that I do not like about Wade! Just because he's soft does not mean that his training camps have to be so soft.

Those players should HATE to go to camp, but with Wade...no biggie...no pads for days on end, no hitting, just "aw, shucks, we are a family"!

I think there has to be a middle line

training camp shouldn't be draconian like Parcells' were, that wears a team down in the end

nor should it be camp cupcake like what Wade held, that wears teams down too

but practice should definitely include tackling, go back to the fundamentals, and stress them each and every day, up to and during the season

 

[5Stars]

I do think this camp is going to be lot different. Much more physical, much more hitting.

This off-season thus far has been more challenging than I thought it would be. JJ/Wade are making difficult roster decisions. Decisions I don't think they would have made a year or two ago.

I genuinely think they want to try something different since the stuff they have been trying before just didn't cut it.

Anyway, just my opinion.

I hope you are right, because watching Hard Knocks training camp was like watching a JR. High school workout.

Where was it in TX that Jimmy used to go, or maybe it was Landry, where it was hotter then hell and those players sweated, litterally, having to go to that camp?

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Irvin's just throwing a little hissy since we cut his boy TO.

Not to mention that Irvin doesn't have to worry if his band of scrubs blow out knees or break legs. Demarcus Ware? Yeah, might want to consider it.

 

[cowboyjoe]

i totally agree 5stars

if tom landry worked the players and the players hated training camp and jimmy johnson worked the cowboys and the players hated training camp, but wade doesnt, then something is wrong

that goes back to last year when terry bradshaw, howie long, and jimmy johnson all told jerry jones on national air that your teams were sloppy wade, and that goes back to how you treat training camp

even nate newton asked a friend of mine on national air waves one day, when was the last time he saw a real hard nosed physical hitting training camp, my friend said, was one goal line drill the last year parcells was here

that says a lot right there, to where this team has gotten sloppy, and that starts with the head coach;

now what scares me, we all know wade said finally that change has to come, but a national reporter said no, to him, the change wade is going to do is already on the team, with the new players he has had join the team;

players like brooking, stewart, carlos polk and the small safety last year, and Igor O...... big DE that came from the chargers. The reporter said, thats the change wade will do,

and if that is all the change im not going to be too happy, this team needs to be worked and worked hard in OTAs and training camp, not run around in shorts the first 25 days without no hitting,

thats what we as fans need the media to get across to wade phillips, this soft approch to training camp just doesnt work, because sloppy play comes from a soft camp

 

[Hostile]

Of course it will be physically rougher. However many guys there are enrolled on that show are playing for a reality show. It will be rougher than just about any NFL camp because it's purely about TV.

NFL Camps are more mental than anything and these mental midgets won't be able to keep up when the real Camps launch. Trust me on this, the winner of that show can be one rough customer on Irvin's show. He will be taking a feather duster to a gunfight when he hits the real Camp.

 

[5Stars]

Great, lets have a rigourous training camp so we can all say our team is tough as nails as the injuries mount. Maybe if we're lucky we can lose the whole starting offensive line.


Being in shape and knowing what to do wasnt the major factor of the Cowboys downfall. AND dont even tell me its what propelled the Giants to win their SB and the legacy of the Steelers.

Get over it people, just because the media, WHo most never played football, can scream about something, doesnt mean they are right, or even have a clue as to what its about.

Or, better yet, let's have a team that gets their butt kicked and cannot tackle anyone...yeah, that's the ticket.

At least they are healty and look pretty...

 

[bbgun]

Does Jerry's gag order extend to ex-players?

 

[cowboyjoe]

its kinda like newman said the other day, teams were finally figuring out the defense because the cowboys were using vanilla basic formations,

i remember last year at some time, wade tried to use more formations and the players complained, was to tough etc to grasp, well thats because you run a soft camp wade and dont work the players over and over and over, till they get it, the players might not lilke being worked hard, but thats tough, they are paid a ton of money to play football now for the cowboys. And so does wade phillips getting a ton of money too, about 3 million a year too, and jason garrett too, he is getting paid alittle over 3 million, time for these coaches of wade and garrett to earn their money and work the players

 

[cowboyjoe]

yeah to the point about players not being able to tackle,that goes back to the basics in training camp and making the players work hard, mentally and physically till they get it and leaders emerge on this team

 

[cowboyjoe]

you just cant do that running around in shorts

 

[ShiningStar]

Or, better yet, let's have a team that gets their butt kicked and cannot tackle anyone...yeah, that's the ticket.

At least they are healty and look pretty...

Oh noes, Demarcus Ware forgot how to tackle because camp was soft. Camp should be more mental than physically tough. Our big problem was HH only had 1 camp to get his line ready for how he wants them to play. That is just stragety and game play. No matter how hard you mkae the camp, Flo's ear isnt going to get any better. Did McBriars kicking lack because of a lack of camp, no its because hes good.

Now if our Oline looks a hell of a lot better, than we know things are going to be good, regardless of the hitting they put on in camp.

We want a football team thats ready to go on Sunday, anything previous means nothing, or did we lose to the Eagles because our camp was soft? I think dumping the ST coach and Stewart was the right thing to do. That had nothing to do with a soft camp.

 

[cowboyjoe]

totally disagree shining star, if nate newton, michael irvin, terry bradshaw, howie long, and jimmy johnson all say you have a sloppy team and you dont spend enough time nor practice hard, but run around the first 25 days of training camp in shorts and no hitting, then your not tough and physical but camp cupcake players.

 

[ShiningStar]

totally disagree shining star, if nate newton, michael irvin, terry bradshaw, howie long, and jimmy johnson all say you have a sloppy team and you dont spend enough time nor practice hard, but run around the first 25 days of training camp in shorts and no hitting, then your not tough and physical but camp cupcakes.

you can disagree all you want, most of our losses came from not being prepared, injuries, or lack of heart. If most of your players coming in are to bring in a better leadership to the team, the new fab word of chemistry, and to bring in some skill guys, your coaches failed. Brian Stewart isnt gone because he found better pastures, the ST coach failed on every given day, Wade and the coaches failed to get them ready for the big game. They werent sloppy from lack of training camp, believe me, i dont think anyone had a problem with the previous training camp when the team went 13-3.

We had way to many things go wrong and we had a prima donna who wanted the spot light at all costs. We had a couple bad coaches, and we had a lot of injuries.

 

[BrAinPaiNt]

Well we had camp cupcake and we had the Tuna's camp.

Both with the same end results...slumps down the stretch and no playoff victories.

hmmm

 

[ShiningStar]

Well we had camp cupcake and we had the Tuna's camp.

Both with the same end results...slumps down the stretch and no playoff victories.

hmmm

another great point, how well did our training camps provide us under Parcells?

and I remember reading an article from his years with Roy Williams saying practice was just scary hard, it was easier to play the game on sunday beacuse it was softer, and how were the results from that?

 

[5Stars]

Oh noes, Demarcus Ware forgot how to tackle because camp was soft. Camp should be more mental than physically tough. Our big problem was HH only had 1 camp to get his line ready for how he wants them to play. That is just stragety and game play. No matter how hard you mkae the camp, Flo's ear isnt going to get any better. Did McBriars kicking lack because of a lack of camp, no its because hes good.

Now if our Oline looks a hell of a lot better, than we know things are going to be good, regardless of the hitting they put on in camp.

We want a football team thats ready to go on Sunday, anything previous means nothing, or did we lose to the Eagles because our camp was soft? I think dumping the ST coach and Stewart was the right thing to do. That had nothing to do with a soft camp.

I hear what you are saying and I agree with some of it.

What I'm saying is that you should practice in pads just to get comfortable on how to use them. You don't have to kill each other, but at least don't run around in shorts trying to learn a game that you should already know.


I'm not sure where I heard this from, but some of the 90's Cowboys were saying that they actually loved to play on Sunday because it was not as tough as training camp.

That is the mentality that this team lacks...IMO.

Working out in shells maybe for 1 or 2 days a week is OK, but going 23 or 24 days without pads make for a weak player come game day.



I guess that I just have been spoiled by how Jimmy trained his players as opposed to Wade..."aw, shucks...you missed a rehab so I'm just gonna have to fine you 100 dollars."

WTH is that all about?

Even little kids in PeeWee football show up in pads!