Mick Shots: Everybody knows their names

[jazzcat22]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/mick-shots-good-everybody-knows-their-names

I guess he is taking a shot at the familiarity claim.

Mickey talks about the new coaching hires and that Schotty worked with Sorenson for 4 years. So yes, this was his hire. Not Jerry's.
Talks Will McClay mostly. How Fassell was offered a 3 year deal. But he decided to leave (incoming fan cheap pay comments).

Some other tidbits.

 

[Ranching]

(incoming fan cheap pay comments).

Don't worry, our fans are busy protesting and burning their season tickets and Cowboys swag..they are also busy waiting for Jerry's next press conference and the mediot's X and Instagram posts, so they can share them on the zone and call out homers. It will be a quiet day around here.

 

[big dog cowboy]

Poor Camps: Former Cowboys secondary coach, defensive coordinator and head coach Dave Campo checked in on me the other day for a friend's interview request, but went on to tell me, "I'm getting killed out there," meaning in media and social media. Those negative about the team hiring Schottenheimer as head coach have been calling it a give-up on the Cowboys' part and comparing it to the hiring of Dave Campo (2000-02). Pretty unfair to both guys. For Camps, the Cowboys were in salary-cap hell all three of his seasons, and on top of that, they had quarterback problems, too. In 2000, Troy Aikman was on the last leg of his 12-year Hall of Fame career, injuries reducing him to just 11 starts, with unwilling backup Randall Cunningham and rookie Anthony Wright starting the rest. In 2001, the Cowboys started four quarterbacks that season, and then split the 2022 season between Quincy Carter and Chad Hutchinson. And his offensive coordinators were Jack Reilly and Bruce Coslet. He had no shot. Not a fair comparison on either man's part.

You know, we rail on Campo all the time. But all this is really true. He had no chance. Can you imagine the Cowboys going into the 2025 season under those circumstances? You think Jerry gets ripped everyday (which is justified) just imagine!

 

[John813]

You know, we rail on Campo all the time. But all this is really true. He had no chance. Can you imagine the Cowboys going into the 2025 season under those circumstances? You think Jerry gets ripped in everyday (which is justified) just imagine!

He was in an impossible situation.

The big 3 became the old one.
The defense was a shell of the 90's run too. Lett left after 2000, Chad Hennings was injured in 2000 and retired etc..
Ends were just Ellis and Ekubust.
And the secondary was just Woody for a few years

I don't think he would of succeeded with the team from 96 or 97, but yea, he was set up to fail from the get go.

 

[jazzcat22]

You know, we rail on Campo all the time. But all this is really true. He had no chance. Can you imagine the Cowboys going into the 2025 season under those circumstances? You think Jerry gets ripped in everyday (which is justified) just imagine!

I have said for years. If any fan did not think there were going to be some lean years after the triplets were gone. Just do not understand team structure and team building.
So the 29 years is really just a number, not reality of it all. Could be in 29 years, Patriots fans will be whining about how long it has been.
In a few years, we will see the downfall of KC. It could be another 50 years for them.

 

[blueblood70]

https://www.dallascowboys.com/news/mick-shots-good-everybody-knows-their-names

I guess he is taking a shot at the familiarity claim.

Mickey talks about the new coaching hires and that Schotty worked with Sorenson for 4 years. So yes, this was his hire. Not Jerry's.
Talks Will McClay mostly. How Fassell was offered a 3 year deal. But he decided to leave (incoming fan cheap pay comments).

Some other tidbits.

We all know that nonsense with the cheap pay is just not real the narrative is insane they paid Dan Quinn head coaching money to stay here they upped his pay the last two seasons to keep him from leaving and they were paying him about what he's making now with Washington, and we already did this whole nonsense with the actual pay Mike McCarthy was making is on par with the other three head coaches in the NFC East they're not far apart and literally if you put it at 15 that is in the middle right and Mike McCarthy's pay was in the middle 32 teams Jerry is not paying the cheapest rates and on the three-year deals...

I actually agree with him , if you were going to run this back with an unproven coaching staff coming off a lame duck season that was terrible... then I would want to have a short deal not one years it's not talking about contingency, and all that nonsense ,three years sounds fair to me that's the window of some of the core players here especially our quarterback before we have to really blow it up..

I prefer the purge, I'm glad that Mike McCarthy was upset, and that ego was hurt because he was probably asked to change the offense to give up playcall Dutys and if it was truly a three-year deal that's fine with me as well as fossil, you all act like we're losing prime Tom Landry here LOL

we're losing some of these coaches like al Harris and stuff look they were all here during the really bad times not just the good parts, you remember?

I remember, do we all sit here and purposely omit facts about how bad our defensive backs were getting lit up in that Green Bay game how wide open those memes were when they were showing the wide receivers with A5 yard arc and you couldn't even see some of our defenders near them I mean when you give up 40 to 55 points in playoff games back-to-back playoff games when you're getting lit up in the best games like of the season the biggest matchups and your defense continually just gets your BUTTs kicked why are you worried about al Harris yes everybody liked him but that doesn't make him a big loss, good he's moved on to bigger pastures and so will we..​

I mean, everybody who thinks Dan Quinn somehow just completely got better with Washington wasn't paying attention his defense is in the playoffs did the same thing he did here they got lucky to win any playoff games giving up to 200 yards on the ground in a win?!

I mean how does that happen that's luck then gets what 53 points dropped on you in a loss in the championship game that's typical Dan Quinn and that's typical of a bunch of our coaches that were here and I'm not putting it all on them individually but as a group why do we really want any of them back? Look at all our losses when Dan Quinn was our defensive coordinator go take a look at how bad our defenses were against the better teams now go look at what he did in Washington go look at all the teams they played and beat and then look at the ones they lost to and look at the differential and what the defenses did it's no different than what happened with the Cowboys, and the fact that he almost lost to us twice with our backups, to tell you all you need to know that they just caught fire at the right time but a lot of it was like a House of Cards it was luck...

In my humble opinion the more we purge and start over the better it is for this team...

 

[dreghorn2]

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You know, we rail on Campo all the time. But all this is really true. He had no chance. Can you imagine the Cowboys going into the 2025 season under those circumstances? You think Jerry gets ripped in everyday (which is justified) just imagine!

I've always been a Campo defender for all those reasons. It's really hard to judge him as a head coach and he did made mistakes through that run, but those teams had no chance.

27% of the cap in dead money, he did Jerry a favor by essentially being a caretaker of the franchise through three impossible years.

 

[blueblood70]

He was in an impossible situation.

The big 3 became the old one.
The defense was a shell of the 90's run too. Lett left after 2000, Chad Hennings was injured in 2000 and retired etc..
Ends were just Ellis and Ekubust.
And the secondary was just Woody for a few years

I don't think he would of succeeded with the team from 96 or 97, but yea, he was set up to fail from the get go.

This is the very reason people don't want to hear the truth, most of us believe that Jimmy Johnson was going to leave anyway, probably sometime after 97 maybe 98, at the latest..

whenever this team completely broke down the one he assembled and it was time for a rebuild, he's a lot like bill Parcells ,he doesn't stick around a lot look at his resume, he gets bored he looks for a challenge and he was going to leave anyway.. it just happened a couple years sooner than it would have,

but Barry switzer bridged the gap well enough to get back back-to-back NFC championship games and another Super Bowl win and I don't believe Jimmy Johnson could have done much better either, once teams start breaking down and once the league started moving towards a different salary cap and free agency and it was time to rebuild it was going to be tough for anyone.

So, if we're gonna give Dave campo an excuse here ,which it's a valid excuse, we need to come to a realization that this is how it was going to end anyway... even with Jimmy Johnson this was going to look much like a longer run, I realize it's not exactly the same but what did Bill Belichick look like Tom Brady was gone and then now he's back to coaching college..

literally when Jimmy Johnson left he was not as successful with Miami with the dolphins, he was ready to retire, this nonsense that we could've went on a run like New England went on you know an extended run a ridiculously long run that was not happening with Jimmy Johnson because he wasn't staying here for a second rebuild.

That little blow up at the bar, the big egos, 2 drunk parties they said things that were irreconcilable, and if you talk to your boss that way you're probably losing your job anyway but you did it publicly made it worse,.. He was already thinking two or three years down the road he was leaving , and that is why it blew up the breakdown of this team was coming and it was coming fast we were never gonna look like that 90s team again that run was pretty much over in the dates you're talking about it would've got there anyway regardless if Jimmy was here or Dave Campbell was coaching the team we were headed for what Bill Belichick experience when you lose the magic it is very difficult to find it again...

 

[CWR]

You know, we rail on Campo all the time. But all this is really true. He had no chance. Can you imagine the Cowboys going into the 2025 season under those circumstances? You think Jerry gets ripped in everyday (which is justified) just imagine!

I never refer to those years with the intention of making him the problem. There was a clear lack of talent. That said he wasn't the solution and wearing the wet suit at SeaWorld was a bad look. Lol

 

[Rayman70]

Mickey is a Jones foot soldier. Gaslighter extraordinare. His articles are usually passive aggressive and meant to tell the fans to shut up, eat our cake, and sit down.

 

[jazzcat22]

This is the very reason people don't want to hear the truth, most of us believe that Jimmy Johnson was going to leave anyway, probably sometime after 97 maybe 98, at the latest..

whenever this team completely broke down the one he assembled and it was time for a rebuild, he's a lot like bill Parcells ,he doesn't stick around a lot look at his resume, he gets bored he looks for a challenge and he was going to leave anyway.. it just happened a couple years sooner than it would have,

but Barry switzer bridged the gap well enough to get back back-to-back NFC championship games and another Super Bowl win and I don't believe Jimmy Johnson could have done much better either, once teams start breaking down and once the league started moving towards a different salary cap and free agency and it was time to rebuild it was going to be tough for anyone.

So, if we're gonna give Dave campo an excuse here ,which it's a valid excuse, we need to come to a realization that this is how it was going to end anyway... even with Jimmy Johnson this was going to look much like a longer run, I realize it's not exactly the same but what did Bill Belichick look like Tom Brady was gone and then now he's back to coaching college..

literally when Jimmy Johnson left he was not as successful with Miami with the dolphins, he was ready to retire, this nonsense that we could've went on a run like New England went on you know an extended run a ridiculously long run that was not happening with Jimmy Johnson because he wasn't staying here for a second rebuild.

That little blow up at the bar, the big egos, 2 drunk parties they said things that were irreconcilable, and if you talk to your boss that way you're probably losing your job anyway but you did it publicly made it worse,.. He was already thinking two or three years down the road he was leaving , and that is why it blew up the breakdown of this team was coming and it was coming fast we were never gonna look like that 90s team again that run was pretty much over in the dates you're talking about it would've got there anyway regardless if Jimmy was here or Dave Campbell was coaching the team we were headed for what Bill Belichick experience when you lose the magic it is very difficult to find it again...

I lived in South Florida at the time Jerry bought the team, Jimmy was hired. Then when Jimmy instigated his departure at the hands of Jerry.

It was well known Jimmy wanted to take over for Don Shula whenever he decides to retire.
Jerry bought Dallas, Shula signed a contract extension with Miami. So Jimmy came to Dallas.

Then the Jaguars were starting. He wanted a chance at that position as HC. Because he wanted to return to Florida.
When Shula's contract was up again in a year. So he wanted to go the Miami. So he wanted out at any cost.

Fans want to blame Jerry, but Jimmy orchestrated it, or pushed the buttons. Jerry bit hook line and sinker.

 

[MyFairLady]

I might say a lot of foolish things on this board. Sometimes I might go too far. Sometimes I might take thing too personal. At least I am genuine. At least I am a real human. At least there is a chance that something I might say could be accurate and insightful.

 

[blueblood70]

I lived in South Florida at the time Jerry bought the team, Jimmy was hired. Then when Jimmy instigated his departure at the hands of Jerry.

It was well known Jimmy wanted to take over for Don Shula whenever he decides to retire.
Jerry bought Dallas, Shula signed a contract extension with Miami. So Jimmy came to Dallas.

Then the Jaguars were starting. He wanted a chance at that position as HC. Because he wanted to return to Florida.
When Shula's contract was up again in a year. So he wanted to go the Miami. So he wanted out at any cost.

Fans want to blame Jerry, but Jimmy orchestrated it, or pushed the buttons. Jerry bit hook line and sinker.

Exactly he knew what he was doing I mean yes it was alcohol induced it was egos that got in the way but again it was a mutual parting of the ways this was not a firing... this was i dare you to fire me and then jerry said OK..

But my narrative still holds true how long do you really think Jimmy was gonna stay here even if didn't happen because both of them still butted heads Jerry still wanted some more of the headlines how long was Jimmy gonna be around I say until 1998 at the longest I think what happened with Barry switzer was about all we could have expected from Jimmy Johnson I'm not saying Barry switzer is better than Jimmy Johnson but I'm saying he took Jimmy's teams as far as he could and Jimmy probably couldn't have done better...

But I believe the team was on a downhill spiral after 1996 anyway, and once all those players started retiring or leaving ,we were going to see what happened from 98 on, was probably gonna happen anyway;

the Dave campo years, the bad years, Jerry trying to prove everyone he was great, it was all going to happen anyway, regardless of when Jimmy and Jerry split it, was going to end up not far long had it stayed just a few years past that... That is why I brought up Bill Belichick and even though his tenure was a lot longer, that's what it would've looked like anyway like after 96 or 97 this is what we could've expected of a new roster blow up and rebuild needed Jimmy wasn't staying around for that... so everyone it keeps saying we could have won nine Super Bowls or five straight Super Bowls are just being emotional and not remembering really how that team was deteriorating and really fast....

 

[jazzcat22]

Exactly he knew what he was doing I mean yes it was alcohol induced it was egos that got in the way but again it was a mutual parting of the ways this was not a firing... this was i dare you to fire me and then jerry said OK..

But my narrative still holds true how long do you really think Jimmy was gonna stay here even if didn't happen because both of them still butted heads Jerry still wanted some more of the headlines how long was Jimmy gonna be around I say until 1998 at the longest I think what happened with Barry switzer was about all we could have expected from Jimmy Johnson I'm not saying Barry switzer is better than Jimmy Johnson but I'm saying he took Jimmy's teams as far as he could and Jimmy probably couldn't have done better...

But I believe the team was on a downhill spiral after 1996 anyway, and once all those players started retiring or leaving ,we were going to see what happened from 98 on, was probably gonna happen anyway;

the Dave campo years, the bad years, Jerry trying to prove everyone he was great, it was all going to happen anyway, regardless of when Jimmy and Jerry split it, was going to end up not far long had it stayed just a few years past that... That is why I brought up Bill Belichick and even though his tenure was a lot longer, that's what it would've looked like anyway like after 96 or 97 this is what we could've expected of a new roster blow up and rebuild needed Jimmy wasn't staying around for that... so everyone it keeps saying we could have won nine Super Bowls or five straight Super Bowls are just being emotional and not remembering really how that team was deteriorating and really fast....

Jimmy never ever stayed any longer than 5 years no matter where he was the HC.

Yes, no way were they going to be as competitive when FA kicked in. He could not do it it in Miami.
And though many will use the excuse he was not allowed to trade Marino for a walker type trade. There was no guarantees he could have gotten even a 1st round pick, nor get a Aikman type QB in the draft.

 

[LonnieElam]

Mickey, and his midwest accent, is annoying as hell.

 

[blueblood70]

Jimmy never ever stayed any longer than 5 years no matter where he was the HC.

Yes, no way were they going to be as competitive when FA kicked in. He could not do it it in Miami.
And though many will use the excuse he was not allowed to trade Marino for a walker type trade. There was no guarantees he could have gotten even a 1st round pick, nor get a Aikman type QB in the draft.

I understand why fans are angry, and still have this selective memory ,where they believe this would have gone on forever and they blame Jerry for breaking it up...

I get it I understand but it's not anymore true than the hyperbole and rhetoric it's just Jerry hate... Well hopefully the Cowboys are due sometime in the near future always look at this with open eyes a year to year one off perspective. I just look forward to the new year the new season and just hope it's gonna be successful I mean I sit here and look at other teams who like the Kansas City Chiefs took 56 years they had a big drought to get back to a Super Bowl and win one..

even teams have never won a Super Bowl like the Cincinnati Bengals they took 31 years just to get back and lose both Super Bowls, they've never won a Super Bowl, and I know that's the same way with other teams there's been longer droughts I mean the funniest one is the Cleveland Browns haven't won a division since 1989 I mean there could be worse ways to look at this....

But I'm begging for an NFC championship parents just get us over that first hump and I'll be happy and I understand the anger and the disappointment and the disheartening couple of decades we've had with the way we've lost in the playoffs, but I still have hope, and I will always have hope...

I think people around here think that us supporting the team is supporting Jerry or the Jones family and that's not true at all I don't agree with half the things he does but that's not gonna turn me off and turn me against the team..​

 

[Kwyn]

A lot was made of Washington picking up cornerback Marshon Lattimore and a 2025 fifth-round draft choice for third, fourth and sixth-round picks in the 2025 draft, including the know-it-alls chastising the Cowboys for not making such a move, only for Lattimore to miss his first six Commanders games with a hamstring injury and then getting toasted repeatedly in the NFC title game by the Eagles. He played no better than the Cowboys, for injury reasons, having to play Andrew Booth in the last few games, along with Troy Pride … Sometimes the moves you don't make are the best ones

I thought this was interesting. There was talk here in the Zone, as there always is, about how the Cowboys should go after every name. The team absolutely missed on Henry, but Lattamore is an example of a move that, had the team given up assets to get him, would be getting flamed to high heaven.

Like many others, I hadn’t even kept up with this “failure” .

 

[NotForLong]

This is the very reason people don't want to hear the truth, most of us believe that Jimmy Johnson was going to leave anyway, probably sometime after 97 maybe 98, at the latest..

whenever this team completely broke down the one he assembled and it was time for a rebuild, he's a lot like bill Parcells ,he doesn't stick around a lot look at his resume, he gets bored he looks for a challenge and he was going to leave anyway.. it just happened a couple years sooner than it would have,

but Barry switzer bridged the gap well enough to get back back-to-back NFC championship games and another Super Bowl win and I don't believe Jimmy Johnson could have done much better either, once teams start breaking down and once the league started moving towards a different salary cap and free agency and it was time to rebuild it was going to be tough for anyone.

So, if we're gonna give Dave campo an excuse here ,which it's a valid excuse, we need to come to a realization that this is how it was going to end anyway... even with Jimmy Johnson this was going to look much like a longer run, I realize it's not exactly the same but what did Bill Belichick look like Tom Brady was gone and then now he's back to coaching college..

literally when Jimmy Johnson left he was not as successful with Miami with the dolphins, he was ready to retire, this nonsense that we could've went on a run like New England went on you know an extended run a ridiculously long run that was not happening with Jimmy Johnson because he wasn't staying here for a second rebuild.

That little blow up at the bar, the big egos, 2 drunk parties they said things that were irreconcilable, and if you talk to your boss that way you're probably losing your job anyway but you did it publicly made it worse,.. He was already thinking two or three years down the road he was leaving , and that is why it blew up the breakdown of this team was coming and it was coming fast we were never gonna look like that 90s team again that run was pretty much over in the dates you're talking about it would've got there anyway regardless if Jimmy was here or Dave Campbell was coaching the team we were headed for what Bill Belichick experience when you lose the magic it is very difficult to find it again...

I always aid Jimmy should have gone to Tampa. They had a good young nucleus and a ton of Draft picks

 

[Brax]

Don't worry, our fans are busy protesting and burning their season tickets and Cowboys swag..they are also busy waiting for Jerry's next press conference and the mediot's X and Instagram posts, so they can share them on the zone and call out homers. It will be a quiet day around here.

Could you collect all that swag and send me 1/4 of it.

 

[MapleLeaf]

I think people around here think that us supporting the team is supporting Jerry or the Jones family and that's not true at all I don't agree with half the things he does but that's not gonna turn me off and turn me against the team..​

I will never discount the work Jerry has done in the early years to turn the sinking Dallas ship around. Landry was past his prime. Dallas was bad, and I love Tom Landry as a coach and wish we could find the next Tom Landry circa early 70's.

But Jerry has had his fill, and he has beaten this toy of his to death. It's tiem for someone else. About a decade ago I was OK with Stephen being the heir apparent. Now I would prefer Charlotte and a GM if ownership stays in the Jones family.

I have never cheered for the Jones family and they are not the defining legacy of the Dallas Cowboys. I have stopped cheering for players, and it will take a lot for me to buy a Dallas jersey again. That player has to be an exceptional person for me to put their name on my back.

It will always be about the team. Unfortunately in the front office seat of the team is someone I prefer would go away.