Mike Gundy's epic meltdown

[superpunk]

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3034151&n8pe6c=2

 

[CF74]

And the editor that let this print is garbage!!!:laugh2:

 

[sacase]

http://sports.espn.go.com/broadband/video/videopage?videoId=3034151&n8pe6c=2

I am glad he did it. I mean its one thing to attack a pro athlete in a column but it is another thing to attack and basically make up stuff, in which you have no knowledge of, about a collge player. I mean she basically called Ried a wuss. I get tired of reporters making up stuff and getting a free pass. They are no longer interested in reporting the news, they just want to make stuff up I am glad he defended his players. I bet they are all more loyal to him and respect him even more.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I watched the rant before I read the article. I immediately sympathized with Gundy because it sounded like he was being loyal and looking after his players. But after reading the article, I was like ***? She didn't write anything out of the ordinary. It wasn't like she said "He has horrible body odor." Her article was remniscient of articles written by writers everyday. Yes, she didn't have any facts to support her statements but then how many sports writers do have actual facts? Even Mark Clayton will say his "source tells him" or "rumor has it"

And Gundy is only partially right. He rationalizes that players don't deserve criticism because they are not paid professional athletes. These players may not get paid but they sure get a lot of perks. Being a starting quarterback for a major Division I school like Oklahoma St. offers several advantages. They get the very best housing on campus. All their meals are free and their food isn't the same that is served to the masses on the rest of the campus. They get free tuition. And even if they fail to make it to the professional level, they have their foot in the door in regards to careers in sports journalism, sales jobs, and graduate school admissions assuming they earned their degree and didn't pull a Dexter Manley. I'm not saying that athletes shouldn't be paid more for what they earn their respective universities. However, they are hardly these little children who can't fend for themselves or take a little heat from the media. Give me a break Mike!

 

[Crown Royal]

Agree with jameswoods. I have no love for the media, but that was a severe over reaction unbecoming of a grown man.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

Agree with jameswoods. I have no love for the media, but that was a severe over reaction unbecoming of a grown man.

I think that a couple of things come into play here. One is that the writer eluded to the fact that the QB coming off the bench had previously threatend to transfer if he didn't get playing time. I don't know if this is true or not. Gandy says no, no truth what so ever. I'm certain that he does not want to be viewed as having bowed to the players will n any situation.

Another is that Gandy was torched for not showing enough emotion over loses earlier in the season. I wonder if this was an attempt to try and correct that? I don't know. I'm not close enough to the OSU program to say one way or the other. I'm sure it will all come out. The question is really, who's version? I would imagine it will be slanted towards the press. One thing about those guys, they generally rally around each other when one of them is called out, right or wrong.

 

[Crown Royal]

I think that a couple of things come into play here. One is that the writer eluded to the fact that the QB coming off the bench had previously threatend to transfer if he didn't get playing time. I don't know if this is true or not. Gandy says no, no truth what so ever. I'm certain that he does not want to be viewed as having bowed to the players will n any situation.

Another is that Gandy was torched for not showing enough emotion over loses earlier in the season. I wonder if this was an attempt to try and correct that? I don't know. I'm not close enough to the OSU program to say one way or the other. I'm sure it will all come out. The question is really, who's version? I would imagine it will be slanted towards the press. One thing about those guys, they generally rally around each other when one of them is called out, right or wrong.

I've been speaking with a guy I know who spent the summer interning at Tulsa's newspaper. He knows the reporter. He, of course, sides completely on the side of the media, so take that with a grain of salt.

Per what he said, he spoke to the lady a day or two ago about what happened. He told me that she trusts her sources that told her what she said, and that she doesn't feel like she made anything up. Maybe her sources gave her bad information, but it is a source or a few in the organization, just not something she can reveal (for obvious reasons).

Now whether accurate or not, I still feel like the coach flew off the handle. I have no patience for people who can't control their emotions and yell like that. It's unprofessional and un-adult in almost every situation, and most certainly in this situation.

Amateur athletes are not professionals, but they do get perks, so it isn't as if they are doing what they do without payment of some sort. Athletic dorms, food, recognition, etc. If you can't take the heat of a critical article, then perhaps you shouldn't take the accolades of a complimentary one.

 

[ABQCOWBOY]

I've been speaking with a guy I know who spent the summer interning at Tulsa's newspaper. He knows the reporter. He, of course, sides completely on the side of the media, so take that with a grain of salt.

Per what he said, he spoke to the lady a day or two ago about what happened. He told me that she trusts her sources that told her what she said, and that she doesn't feel like she made anything up. Maybe her sources gave her bad information, but it is a source or a few in the organization, just not something she can reveal (for obvious reasons).

Now whether accurate or not, I still feel like the coach flew off the handle. I have no patience for people who can't control their emotions and yell like that. It's unprofessional and un-adult in almost every situation, and most certainly in this situation.

Amateur athletes are not professionals, but they do get perks, so it isn't as if they are doing what they do without payment of some sort. Athletic dorms, food, recognition, etc. If you can't take the heat of a critical article, then perhaps you shouldn't take the accolades of a complimentary one.

I don't know if it is true or not but I am not in favor of articles like this for college athletes. I'm more inclined to accept these kinds of stories if the athlete is in an individual sport but not so much team sports. I don't have a problem with coaches who yell. Football and really all sports are very emotional games. I don't know if you can coach or play without the intense emotion that goes along with it. I really don't have a problem with yelling, per say.

Players get tuition but in truth, they are repaying the University by training, practicing and playing. They are repaying the university by not cheating or getting into trouble. If the University elects to sign a player, that player is responsible for the things outlined above and nothing beyond that IMO. I don't believe part of the agreement should be for a player to have to be a public personality. That, to me, is wrong. That's not what they signed up for. I also think it's wrong for the media to make these players into something there not. IMO, sports should be reported with more of an eye towards the team as opposed to the star individual but that's not how it's done. The Athlete does not write the stories good or bad. That's the media. If the media wants to take the stance that a play has to take the good with the bad, that's wrong IMO. The media is responsible for all stories written about players positive or negative. To me, it's not right to treat college players like you do pro players but that is just my opinion.

 

[morieeel]

What cracks me up is seeing how the media fraternity is rallying around their own with the exception of Whitlock. I've never seen such solidarity displayed on any topic before.

I don't know what facts were true and not true, but its the Chicken bit that was way out of line and seemed liked a personal assualt.

 

[DallasCowpoke]

If I were an OSU fan or alum, I'd be kinda pissed that, right after whompin' an arguably superior team, the story is your blow hard HC making himself look like a fool.

 

[Kangaroo]

If I were an OSU fan or alum, I'd be kinda pissed that, right after whompin' an arguably superior team, the story is your blow hard HC making himself look like a fool.

I have to disagree I heard all around the Houston sports talk shows is people defending the coach. This is by callers into the show not just the host.

In reality he helped himself in his recruiting of guys knowing the coach has their back.

So far the majority of the people I have heard talk on this subject has called the reported an idiot because it goes back to these guys are students not pro players and several other areas.

 

[MC KAos]

If I were an OSU fan or alum, I'd be kinda pissed that, right after whompin' an arguably superior team, the story is your blow hard HC making himself look like a fool.

i have a friend who plays for them that i went to high school with and he says they thought it was awesome and have even more respect for him now. so, i think thats all that really matters. and as espn keeps saying, AND THEY ARE SO SHOKED!!, everyone in the university and people emailing their opinions is showing a lot of support for gundy, including me. of course we will have to romp his team when we play them... HOOK EM!!

 

[Capt.Gut]

Can someone give me a background or a link to the story? I didn't catch it over here.

 

[morieeel]

Can someone give me a background or a link to the story? I didn't catch it over here.

http://********.com/sports/oklahoma-state/mike-gundy-lectures-the-oklahoman-newspaper-302766.php

 

[Rack]

If I were an OSU fan or alum, I'd be kinda pissed that, right after whompin' an arguably superior team, the story is your blow hard HC making himself look like a fool.

What that coach did was GOLDEN and his players will have a TON more respect for him for that "Rant".

It'll help his recruiting a bit too.

 

[Capt.Gut]

http://********.com/sports/oklahoma-state/mike-gundy-lectures-the-oklahoman-newspaper-302766.php

Thank you.

Man, the article was really bad. Way to go coach.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

Players get tuition but in truth, they are repaying the University by training, practicing and playing. They are repaying the university by not cheating or getting into trouble. If the University elects to sign a player, that player is responsible for the things outlined above and nothing beyond that IMO. I don't believe part of the agreement should be for a player to have to be a public personality. That, to me, is wrong. That's not what they signed up for. I also think it's wrong for the media to make these players into something there not. IMO, sports should be reported with more of an eye towards the team as opposed to the star individual but that's not how it's done. The Athlete does not write the stories good or bad. That's the media. If the media wants to take the stance that a play has to take the good with the bad, that's wrong IMO. The media is responsible for all stories written about players positive or negative. To me, it's not right to treat college players like you do pro players but that is just my opinion.

This is exactly what they signed up for. They signed up to get a shot at the pro's. These guys don't go to college to get a degree. They are going to college to try and play professionally. Remember we are talking about football players at Oklahoma State in the Big 12 conference. These aren't guys at some Division III school. Players at smaller schools do attend those with the intention of getting a degree and not playing professionally but one doesn't play football at OU or OSU with the primary intent of getting an education. If they receive an education while playing football, that's great but that's not why they are there. Most will fail and they are aware of that but their goal is to at least try and see if they can make it to the next level. The players' public persona is what is providing their scholarship in the first place. College sports is about entertaining the public. If it didn't entertain the public, people wouldn't watch and advertisers wouldn't pay the NCAA billions. A coach should be intelligent and mature enough to realize that college athletes are under the same type awareness hence scrutiny that any high profile entertainer is under whether they be an actor or a professional athlete. The players are not only paid in regards to tuition, housing and food but also in terms of promotion. They are receiving free advertising on a national scale. That type of awareness does provide advantages that regular people don't have. It helps them get jobs out of college and improve their graduate school admissions. If you think that's a minor form of compensation, call your local yellow pages and ask them how much is costs to take out a full page ad.The sports media is a part of this entertainment process. They are going to praise you and provide you plenty of perks when you play well. They will criticize you and lambast you when you play bad. It's a part of the process.

The only part of the article that I have issues with is the mentioning of the player's mom feeding him chicken. The writer did extrapolate that incident to humiliate the player and I do agree that she was out of line.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

I have to disagree I heard all around the Houston sports talk shows is people defending the coach. This is by callers into the show not just the host.

In reality he helped himself in his recruiting of guys knowing the coach has their back.

So far the majority of the people I have heard talk on this subject has called the reported an idiot because it goes back to these guys are students not pro players and several other areas.

That's not suprising because it's just a shallow feel good story. Anyone who vehemently and passionately defends his players is going to look like a hero especially when he is criticizing the big bad media. That's what Hollywood is made of. But when everyone calms down and looks at the facts, the reality is these players are hardly victims. I would argue that tuition, housing, food, tutoring, promotion and an opportunity to play at the professional level is a form of payment. And this is assuming everything is clean. We are going to assume that players are not being paid or compensated under the table in any way. We are assuming they actually attend class, write their papers and do not have professors who look the other way in regards to cheating......right! Talk to alums at OU and OSU who actually know the football players intimately and they will tell you how they skip class and have "tutors" provided by the university write their papers and do their homework. There are several professors who cave in to pressure because they will not be granted tenure or lose their job if they fail to pacify the athletes. They don't knowingly abet cheating but they "look the other way"

Let's get real. College football and basketball players are essentially professional athletes that are just paid far less. They are the minor league version of their sport. Nonetheless, the point stands that they are not victims but pseudo professionals that are are aware of the negatives of being a publicized athlete. The comments about the chicken was out of line but it's garbage. I think we Americans are too sensitive to this type of thing. Go to Europe and their royalty and other publicized individuals get lampooned in a far worse manner everyday.

 

[mr.jameswoods]

What cracks me up is seeing how the media fraternity is rallying around their own with the exception of Whitlock. I've never seen such solidarity displayed on any topic before.

I don't know what facts were true and not true, but its the Chicken bit that was way out of line and seemed liked a personal assualt.

I agree and this is annoying. I didn't support Gundy's rant but the media acts like a mafia that protects it's own. They hate Barry Bonds because for years he has basically ignored them or been rude to them. They have collectively sought to besmirch his name as a result. Had Bonds simply been a more pleasant individual, he wouldn't have received the backlash he is receiving now. Michael Jordan was an adulterer, gambler and trash talker on the court but the media left him alone because he was nice to them. Oh well, everyone takes care of their own. The DA in the Duke LaCrosse scandal only got one day in jail thanks to the judge who took care of her own...another attorney.