Mike Hamlin vs Rashad Johnson

[garyv]

Does anybody know how Mike Hamlin stacks up against Rashad Johnson. I'm just wondering what type of Player Mike Hamlin really is such as a Backup or could he start at Safety?

 

[CATCH17]

The scouts said he is truly a QB back there (Hamlin).

IMO he will have to beat out Patrick Watkins as a special teamer and I just can't see him doing that.

Good luck to him.

I think the guy we drafted at safety to watch is Deangelo Smith.

 

[YosemiteSam]

The scouts said he is truly a QB back there (Hamlin).

IMO he will have to beat out Patrick Watkins as a special teamer and I just can't see him doing that.

Good luck to him.

I think the guy we drafted at safety to watch is Deangelo Smith.

Jerry sure made it sound like Hamlin was the future to play beside Ken Hamlin in his presser.

 

[Smith22]

From what I've read, he is extremely smart on the field and would perform much better in a zone scheme. Man 2 man coverage is his weakness according to draft reports.

 

[speedkilz88]

I think the coaches are really concerned with Watkins neck problems and they might be ready to let him go.

 

[Smith22]

I think the coaches are really concerned with Watkins neck problems and they might be ready to let him go.

Agreed. Watkins can't tackle. Parcells said the guy was going to break his neck.

 

[Idgit]

Agreed. Watkins can't tackle. Parcells said the guy was going to break his neck.

He's got bad tackling form you mean? He's a good STer. But I think his spot's in jeopardy since he's nearing his second contract and has been primarily a ST player.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

Hamlin reminds me a lot of Tony Dixon. I have my doubts about him as a starter but he might make a decent backup. At least the Cowboys didn't spend a 2nd round pick on him the way they did Dixon.

 

[Smith22]

He's got bad tackling form you mean? He's a good STer. But I think his spot's in jeopardy since he's nearing his second contract and has been primarily a ST player.

Think back to the skins game when the QB rolled over him. Watkins time is up.

 

[onetrickpony]

Jerry sure made it sound like Hamlin was the future to play beside Ken Hamlin in his presser.

I think JJ was just being cute with his "Hamlin & Hamlin Law Firm" joke. We drafted several DBs that could play safety or corner.

 

[tunahelper]

I think it will be (new) Hamlin vs. C.Brown/P.Watkins for a roster spot.

Either way the competition should gives us good backups and ST players. Especially with Bown and Watkins always being injured.

 

[Zimmy Lives]

I think it will be (new) Hamlin vs. C.Brown/P.Watkins for a roster spot.

Either way the competition should gives us good backups and ST players. Especially with Bown and Watkins always being injured.

I agree. These three guys are playing for a backup position. Based on his history as a special teamer I'd relunctantly give the nod to Watkins.

I still don't understand why Courtney Cox Brown is still on the roster.

 

[marchetta]

Drew Boylhart (thehuddlereport.com) rated Hamlin as a 3rd round talent and R.Johnson as a 1st round talent.

Drew's analysis of Hamlin:
+ A good tackler that uses proper form (heads up, wrap, and drive). He also has good cover skills, and can cover a TE 1-on-1 down the field. He's also smart, a good leader, and will be a fan favorite. He is a consistent player and he will make the big play.

- If he's used as a SS, he'll need to get bigger and stronger. If he's used as a FS, he'll have to refine his coverage skills to cover WRs. Currently, he's a tweener.

Final Analysis:
Drew feels Mike should be drafted in the 3rd round. However, due to his excellent tackling ability, and his ability to tackle in open space, he might be drafted in the 2nd round. Mike's tackling ability will allow him to impact on special teams, and this will cause a team to choose him in the 2nd round instead of the 3rd. Drew says that the WORST case scenario a team will get from Mike is a nickel/dime safety that's also an impact special teamer. The BEST case scenario is he becomes a starting safety that thrills fans with his tackling ability who also impacts on special teams. Drew bases ALL his analysis off of game films. He doesn't go by combine/workout numbers. He ONLY uses game film. However, he advices that we should look at Mike's 10 & 20 yard times and ignore his 40 speed. The 10 & 20 yards times are an indication of how fast a player gets up to full speed, and the 40 is how fast a player is at full speed. The 10 & 20 yard time will give a clearer indication of the impact Mike will have as a safety. On the field, a 4.6 40 player with a faster 10 & 20 time will catch a 4.5 40 player with a slower 10 & 20 time. This is crucial for safeties because it all about quickness, burst, and angles near the LOS and not 40 speed.

Here's his numbers:

PLAYERS HT WT 40yd 10yd SS S&Q VJ BJ 225 EXP SCHOOL
Michael Hamlin 6-2 214 4.5 1.5 4.4 .1 37.5 9.8 17 64.3 Clemson

IMO: The S&Q is Pat Kirwin's ratio of measuring a players true speed. It's calculated by taking the difference between a players 40 time and his short shuttle time. This difference gives an indication of what type of player he is. For instance, a player with a 4.4 40 and 4.4 SS has a S&Q of 0. This indicates that a player if fast but not quick, and is basically a "track" guy. A player with a 4.7 40 and a 3.9 SS has a S&Q of .8, which indicates a player that plays fast. Pat Kirwin's ideal ratio of an impact player has a minimum difference of .5. Mike's S&Q is .1. So, it's something to be aware of when looking for chinks in the armor, and may be a reason he didn't go earlier in the draft.

 

[Idgit]

Think back to the skins game when the QB rolled over him. Watkins time is up.

I think I said his time may be up, but it's not because of one missed play. It's because he didn't develop into a starter and his ST spot can be filled by a guy in his first contract.

 

[RamziD]

I think I said his time may be up, but it's not because of one missed play. It's because he didn't develop into a starter and his ST spot can be filled by a guy in his first contract.

I certainly hope Hamlin can beat out Watkins or else we made a bad pick. Watkins has been a huge disappointment so far.

 

[Idgit]

I certainly hope Hamlin can beat out Watkins or else we made a bad pick. Watkins has been a huge disappointment so far.

Well, a ST contributor for a 5th rounder's not a huge disappointment, but I had high hopes for Watkins as a safety, and he hasn't come close to meeting them, I agree.

 

[Typhus]

Agreed. Watkins can't tackle. Parcells said the guy was going to break his neck.

Somewhere on Watkins family tree is Merton Hanks.

 

[Smith22]

Somewhere on Watkins family tree is Merton Hanks.

I couldn't stand that guy and his giraffe neck. :bang2: :bang2:

 

[CaptainAmerica]

I loved Rashad Johnson but honestly I've wondered this entire draft season if he's one of those guys whose physical limitations will show up at the next level. He's a coach on the field but he played in a great system under Saban and maximized his potential. He by no means has the physical ability of a guy like Ed Reed.