Miklasz: Rams would take a huge gamble if they hire Garrett

[theebs]

By no means am I blaming Garrett for everything. Where do you get that?

I simply don't think he's put in enough time at his craft yet to get all the accolades he gets. I'm kind of surprised you do... The fast-track way he's shot up the career ladder isn't Parcells-like at all. I much prefer the Sparano types who have paid their dues over many years.

I didn't understand your question because we'd have had another OC if RJ weren't here, obviously. If Garrett had gone to Baltimore, there's a good chance we'd have had Cam Cameron here, and I think we (and Romo in particular) would have been much better off.

agreed on cameron.

I like garret, but you are exactly right about being lukewarm because he hasnt taken that long process. However with most of his years playing really being about learning to be a coach I think it is a little different.

and most importantly in a league where, josh mcdaniels, mike tomlin, lane kiffin and many many others I think he is qualified. Which is really an indictment on the coaching quality of this league.

and I would just like to add, I am terrified Jerry is going to allow wade phillips to bring in Jim Fassel to run the offense and prepare it for a west coast coach next year. That worries me as much as anything.

But there are a few guys out there I would be ok with if we are stuck with coach trust, loyalty and common purpose.....

Brian Schottenheimer and Scott linehan. Linehan is well respected like cameron and he has a good track record.

 

[Vintage]

I am curious if you took his offensive production away from the team last year how would this team have done?

0-16.

Our defense would be tired from being on the field for 60 minutes.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Shouldn't his GM career ALREADY be on the line? The Rams SUCK mightily.

He was just hired last February.

 

[InmanRoshi]

I thought a head coach was supposed to be a head coach no?

A guy who can organize and lead and set a course for a team and an organization hand in hand with a general manager?

Its pretty dumb to me how all of these teams and their writers are obsessing over what offense/defense a guy coordinated or coached. A head coach should be able to step in, bring in good people around him and then be the figure head around that?

Putting aside X's and O's, Garrett was pretty much an unmitigated disaster as a leader, organizer, talent evaluator and motivator this season, especially if you're on the outside looking in like your average Ram fan. Maybe you can blame it all on TO that his unit fractured and splintered into cliques, but TO isn't the reason Brad Johnson was wearing silver and blue .. that was all Jason Garrett. And the entire unit looked completely unorganized ... I have never seen such a chaotic, unorganized, confused unit before the snap.

Anyways, I don't think it's a done deal yet just because the owner might get cold feet. The fan reaction has been so overwhelmingly negative. Garrett could get booed off the field his first home game.

So if the Rams do indeed name Garrett as their next head coach, it figures to be a controversial decision. In an Stltoday.com poll asking readers to choose the next head coach out of five finalists, Garrett received only 4 percent of the vote out of nearly 9,000 votes.

As word spread Friday afternoon that Garrett was heading to St. Louis, the Rams' ticket office was flooded with angry calls from fans about his possible selection.

http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sp...00E44233BAFE4CAC8625754100192B7A?OpenDocument

 

[skinsscalper]

Putting aside X's and O's, Garrett was pretty much a disaster as a leader, talent evaluator and motivator this season. Maybe you can justifiably blame it all on TO that his unit fractured and splintered into cliques, but TO isn't the reason Brad Johnson was wearing silver and blue .. that was all Jason Garrett.

Gotta give Garrett Felix Jones, though (atleast drafting him). You gotta wonder how things might have been if he had never been injured and we found ways to get him the ball more often (another collosal Garrett failure).

 

[Chocolate Lab]

Gotta give Garrett Felix Jones, though (atleast drafting him).

I don't think so. Jerry obviously liked him from the start, and Wade was seen arguing for him over Mendenhall in the war room.

And yes, eight touches for Marion Barber and zero for Felix in that first Washington game was criminal.

 

[InmanRoshi]

Gotta give Garrett Felix Jones, though (atleast drafting him). You gotta wonder how things might have been if he had never been injured and we found ways to get him the ball more often (another collosal Garrett failure).

Why does Garrett get the credit for that? Because HBO showed a 5 second clip saying he liked him?

Yeah, Garrett liked him so much he was giving him 5 touches a game.

 

[jobberone]

I thought a head coach was supposed to be a head coach no?

A guy who can organize and lead and set a course for a team and an organization hand in hand with a general manager?

Its pretty dumb to me how all of these teams and their writers are obsessing over what offense/defense a guy coordinated or coached. A head coach should be able to step in, bring in good people around him and then be the figure head around that?

If they think garrett is a bad hire because of dallas being 9-7 this year and him taking the fall for it after 81 runs his mouth about the guy, then so be it.

But I dont want a head coach hired for my team on the basis of what he does as a coordinator. If he likes to run or pass or blitz all the time doesnt mean squat when it comes to being a head coach. Now the team will be in the mold of your philosophy but other people should be running the individual areas.

that is why all these west coast offensive head coaches are constantly floating around unemployed, because they are hired to be the coordinator/head coach and run their offenses. That is why none of them ever can get their defense right and they always are spread too thin.

So again, I hope the idiot st louis media bashes garrett. Once he is hired and surrounds himself with good people on his staff and is working hand in hand with a general manager who he can communicate with it and install a system and a philosophy together, they will be singing a different tune.

And of course here, we will be left with Head Coach trust, loyalty and common purpose and 81.

and of course by the majority that will be viewed as a good thing because now apparently a new west coast offense is coming and another new coach......its ridiculous.

I agree with you. The question is Garrett a good HC. No one knows. My guess is he has a good chance of becoming one.

Jerry doesn't see the big picture because he doesn't want to or can't. Either way he needs to take a giant step back to step forward.

I would like Shanny to come here but perhaps finding a young guy who can lead is the best thing. Tom Landry worked out well.

 

[skinsscalper]

My recollection must be off. For some reason I always thought that Garrett was the one that had pushed hard for Jones. My bad.

 

[theebs]

Putting aside X's and O's, Garrett was pretty much an unmitigated disaster as a leader, organizer, talent evaluator and motivator this season, especially if you're on the outside looking in like your average Ram fan. Maybe you can blame it all on TO that his unit fractured and splintered into cliques, but TO isn't the reason Brad Johnson was wearing silver and blue .. that was all Jason Garrett. And the entire unit looked completely unorganized ... I have never seen such a chaotic, unorganized, confused unit before the snap.

Anyways, I don't think it's a done deal yet just because the owner might get cold feet. The fan reaction has been so overwhelmingly negative. Garrett could get booed off the field the first preseason game.



http://www.stltoday.com/stltoday/sp...00E44233BAFE4CAC8625754100192B7A?OpenDocument

Yep I can agree with that. And I have said many times that as soon as 81 went to the podium and threw the oc and the qb under the bus after the skins loss in september, it was never the same. The people in the locker room who like owens Im above the authorities attitude gravitated to him and the rest of the guys probably wanted to tell him to shut his mouth.

but of course no one can stand up to 81 because he only answers to the owner.

anyway, I can tell you that in the stadium during breaks and before snaps they looked out of sync all year. Ever since the skins game. I think that led to alot of frustration on the offense and people not liking the idea that people can say whatever they want about the qb.

In my opinion No player has the right to attack the qb that way. Romo's teammates should have come to his defense and squashed that nonsense that next day, and they should have squashed owens and his holier than thou routine. But all the guys in the locker room know the score. SO there was no point, so it just festered and then the injury really screwed everything up.

During the cincy game, there was a shot on cbs 11 of the sideline where after the int romo threw garrett was looking at the polaroids with romo and while garrett was talking romo threw the clipboard with the polaroids and walked away and garrett had a stunned look on his face.

That crappy attitude from 81 carried over and the whole team lacked respect for each other and the coaches after the skins game and crap like this then happened.

I dont see how anyone can judge what kind of leader or how organized garrett is when the man who is his boss is a complete pushover who encourages the talking from guys like 81. And then there is jerry.

So I dont think garrett could come back here next year and I dont want him to if romo is tuning him out. I want someone who is going to come in and demand 81 be removed and then command respect from the quarterback which is how it should be.



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[Vintage]

During the cincy game, there was a shot on cbs 11 of the sideline where after the int romo threw garrett was looking at the polaroids with romo and while garrett was talking romo threw the clipboard with the polaroids and walked away and garrett had a stunned look on his face.

If Romo is part of the problem, then how come you aren't advocating we get rid of him too a la Owens?

 

[theebs]

If Romo is part of the problem, then how come you aren't advocating we get rid of him too a la Owens?

He is not part of the problem. The opposite in fact.

Its just that when the respect has been taken away from the coaches and players and there is a main culprit, who has done this everywhere he has been it is easily fixable.

Remove 81.

Bring in a head coach/offensive coordinator and a qb coach who demand his respect.

Once he feels that he is being blamed every week by a certain player and then some players are taking that guys side and the coach can not correct the situation I am sure romo was indifferent to all of those guys. Its natural.

But he is in no way part of the problem. His turnovers were a problem, that is correctable.

 

[skinsscalper]

If Romo is part of the problem, then how come you aren't advocating we get rid of him too a la Owens?

I was thinking the same thing. If anything, it points to Garrett's ineptitude more than Romo's or Owens' attitude. How many times does it have to be brought up that the OPPOSING teams' defenses thought our offense was a joke?

Maybe if Jerry didn't meddle and coaches could handle their own business, Ray Lewis and Ed Reed wouldn't mock our game plan? Is that it? Damn Jerry for not putting a stop to Ed Reed and Ray Lewis' audacity! Who does he think he is?

 

[Yoshimitsu]

Garrett gone is a good thing for this team. Stewart gone is a good thing for this team. These guys were way out of their league. Both of them inexperienced and got exposed this year. Garretts offense is predictable and got figured out. Hell im not so sure i can give him all the credit of last years offense. Hell Sparano was running the offense. When the training wheels fell off Garrett he got exposed. Jerry needs to fire himself at GM and we hire a real football guy. T.O. needs to go. These things need to happen in order for this franchise to get back on track.

 

[skinsscalper]

He is not part of the problem. The opposite in fact.

Its just that when the respect has been taken away from the coaches and players and there is a main culprit, who has done this everywhere he has been it is easily fixable.

Remove 81.

Bring in a head coach/offensive coordinator and a qb coach who demand his respect.

Once he feels that he is being blamed every week by a certain player and then some players are taking that guys side and the coach can not correct the situation I am sure romo was indifferent to all of those guys. Its natural.

But he is in no way part of the problem. His turnovers were a problem, that is correctable.

Sorry dude but you're dead wrong on that front. Romo missed wide open WRs all year long. Many times, in fact, to try and squeeze the ball in to Witten or Owens subsequently causing a turnover. When a QB fails to run the offense and get the ball to the open man (regardless of who it is) then he is a part of the problem. I don't buy into the Romo is just trying to keep Owens off his back theory. If he's so weak that he's going to compromise our chance to win just so he doesn't have to explain himself to a teammate then kick his *** to the curb, too.

Remove 81 and the offense still sucks. No changing that. Romo doesn't throw any fewer INTs. The defense still doesn't wake up until week #9.

This "get rid of T.O." as a cure all theory is as flawed as it gets.

 

[theebs]

Sorry dude but you're dead wrong on that front. Romo missed wide open WRs all year long. Many times, in fact, to try and squeeze the ball in to Witten or Owens subsequently causing a turnover. When a QB fails to run the offense and get the ball to the open man (regardless of who it is) then he is a part of the problem. I don't buy into the Romo is just trying to keep Owens off his back theory. If he's so weak that he's going to compromise our chance to win just so he doesn't have to explain himself to a teammate then kick his *** to the curb, too.

Remove 81 and the offense still sucks. No changing that. Romo doesn't throw any fewer INTs. The defense still doesn't wake up until week #9.

This "get rid of T.O." as a cure all theory is as flawed as it gets.

I disagree.

And I am done talking about it.

Its funny, I didnt post for about 3 weeks but I read the site alot. All I saw was owens is terrible/owens is god, garret should go, garrett should stay and jerry is god and jerry is the devil. I didnt post in any of those threads and I didnt see other people jumping each other saying that is all they do is talk about owens and jerry.

I post for one day and I have numerous people telling me this. Ridiculous.

I will just read from now on, as I have been told I have nothing to offer.

 

[dadymat]

Rams would take a huge gamble if they hire Garrett

Bernie Miklasz
Sports Columnist Bernie Miklasz
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By Bernie Miklasz
ST. LOUIS POST-DISPATCH
01/17/2009

And now it seems that Jason Garrett could be the chosen one in Billy Devaney's search for a new Rams head coach. But given the misdirection plays being run by Devaney at Rams Park, who knows for sure until the new coach is formally signed, sealed, delivered and introduced?

I want to confess something here: This one floors me. If Garrett is destined to be the next head coach at Rams Park, I never saw it coming. I never took it seriously. I never realized the extent of the apparent man crush that Devaney has on Garrett. And maybe this is all just another head fake by Devaney. Again: who knows?

I'm benching myself on this one. When it comes to knowing what Devaney is really up to, I'm about as useful as Fakhir Brown, because I keep getting lost in the coverage.

But I will say this for Devaney: If Garrett is his choice, and owner Chip Rosenbloom concurs, then I respect Devaney for having the guts to venture out to the precipice, to put his GM career on the line with such a profound gamble.


Look, any coach hired by the Rams is a gamble. There are no sure things here. But if you talked to the football execs who run the other 31 franchises, I am sure that most of them would see minimal risk in offering the job to Leslie Frazier, Rex Ryan or Steve Spagnuolo.

All three defensive coordinators have served lengthy apprenticeships, all have demonstrated an ability to lead players, all have paid their dues to prepare for the next level of responsibility and opportunity.

I don't think many NFL execs would question Devaney if he turned to Ryan, Spagnuolo or Frazier. I believe most NFL team execs would say: understandable hire; that makes sense. And if Spagnuolo, Ryan or Frazier failed as Rams head coach, I don't think many execs would aggressively second-guess Devaney's decision for the very same reason: Hey, it made sense at the time.

I don't want to demonize Garrett. By all accounts he's a highly intelligent man, and a good person. But of the finalists, Garrett brings the most questions and the thinnest résumé. He's short on professional coaching experience. And Garrett just finished a season in which he was embroiled in controversy. The level of respect Garrett commanded among Dallas offensive players was called into question. His ability to lead players was called into question. (Understand that I don't blame Garrett for any issues revolving around Terrell Owens, a known troublemaker.) Garrett's stock has taken a dramatic plunge over the last year.

Compared to the other candidates — Frazier, Ryan, Spagnuolo — Garrett would be a controversial choice, the most unpopular choice among Rams fans, and a surprising choice that would be met with the most scrutiny around the league. I can hear it now: "What is Billy doing, to go with an unproven, offensive-minded assistant coach who had shaky player relations? Didn't the Rams just go through this with Scott Linehan?"

If Devaney hires Garrett, and Garrett develops into a fantastic head coach, then Billy D will be heralded as a courageous visionary.


If Garrett flops, then Devaney will be ridiculed as a stooge GM who passed up safer, more respected alternatives to hire a novice.

If Garrett goes down, Devaney will take the fall. A hard fall.

I dont get all the Garrett hate..............they wanna compare Garrett to Linehan....why? is it Garrett hate or Cowboy hate?

Garrett is just as an unknown HC as Frazier, Spags, or Ryan.....yet they are placed on a pedestal and Garrett gets kicked around......the failures last season cannot be laid at the feet of Red Jesus......this where everyone chimes in and tells me ....he didnt run the ball enough,...the league figured him out,.....his offense is too simple...........I call BS on all that.....if the players make half the plays they screwed up we are still calling him genius

 

[Chocolate Lab]

I dont get all the Garrett hate..............they wanna compare Garrett to Linehan....why? is it Garrett hate or Cowboy hate?

Because Linehan was a young offensive coordinator with questionable people skills who lost his team.

It may not be a perfect parallel, but they don't want to make the same mistake twice.

 

[skinsscalper]

I didnt see other people jumping each other

Most are on one side of the fence or the other an all these issues. Been going at eachother for a couple days now

I have been told I have nothing to offer.

I disagree with this one, too. I may not agree with everything anyone says here, but I value your post as much as the next guy's. Your posts seem to be well thought out and executed. Whether I agree or not, atleast i know when I open the thread or read the post it's absent of mindless drivel.

 

[Cochese]

He is Martz Junior. They have seen enough of his type in St Lou to realize they dont want any more.