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I was in the Air Force 92-96 and worked on the electronic warfare avionics system on the B1. I originally was going to join the Marines but they couldn't guarantee me a certain job, only a career field. The Air Force actually let me choose from several AFSCs or specialties so I knew what I was going to do before I went in. Quite a few airmen just blindly joined and had no idea what their job would be.

My training gave me a huge start to an electronics career after I got out which I still have today because of the service. I'd check into the Air Force Weather Agency to see what they do.
 

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kimrose;4388564 said:
We are thinking of possibly allowing our son to join the military in a couple of years, to pursue his dream in Meteorology. *Special thanks go out to Saltwater and Cythim for helping me see another side of the military in a thread the other night. Been working overtime on research ever since.

I always thought that if you are serving active duty, you have to go over seas and fight in the event of war. Now I am realizing that not Everyone fights. That there are, in fact, many behind the scenes jobs that never see battle or bloodshed. I am very intrigued by this, as I know that the only way he could get a BS in his field would be through an avenue that didn't cost us $100k or more. The Military would pay 100% of his tuition. How can you argue with that?? Unless, of course, it's not true....

My questions to you are, have you ever served in the Military, what was your Branch, and what was your experience like? Would you recommend the youngens today go in, or stay out? Also, how long were you AD, how far did you go in rank (ie, did you stop at Enlisted or pursue Officer).

Do they really pay 100% tuition, and what is the catch?

I know it's a lot to ask, but I just really am trying to get as much true life experience information as I can. I know they sell a great story on their official websites, but I need the truth about the different branches and what my son might really be getting into. I know some of you are Veterans, and if you could help a concerned mom out, I'd sure appreciate it. Thanks.

Army Brat, grew up most my life in Military town. I did Army Reserves 12 years went to basic training before my senior year of Highschool I was 17 years old at Fort Sill, OK. I started Basic about a 1.5 weeks after my Junior year ended.

Personally if I had a chance to do it all over again I would and the military is it's own thing.

Will they pay all your tuition while it depends they have tons of programs. If you take courses while serving like Junior college or local college at what ever base you are at they will help pay for the classes like most work places. You also get the GIBill for after the Military after you are done. Other routes are for specialty areas like a Doctor they will pay for their medschool etc and they will be paid as an officer pay grade and get a rank of CPT when done with med school but then they owe Time.

The Military Academies 100% payed for if you get accepted 100% payed for but again you owe time. Everything is based on service you owe to the military.

To be truthful once he turns 18 he can go in the Military and you can not stop him. Sorry plain fact the only time he needs his parent signature would be if he signed up like I did at the age of 17.

I stayed Enlisted and that is even with me getting a BS Degree that I payed for mostly with Gi Bill, Money, serving extra duty days, extra drills and regular drills and then a job as well.

The most corporate type branch is the Air Force they promote slower than any branch but they have a lot of technical jobs.
 

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Kangaroo;4388887 said:
Army Brat, grew up most my life in Military town. I did Army Reserves 12 years went to basic training before my senior year of Highschool I was 17 years old at Fort Sill, OK. I started Basic about a 1.5 weeks after my Junior year ended.

Personally if I had a chance to do it all over again I would and the military is it's own thing.

Will they pay all your tuition while it depends they have tons of programs. If you take courses while serving like Junior college or local college at what ever base you are at they will help pay for the classes like most work places. You also get the GIBill for after the Military after you are done. Other routes are for specialty areas like a Doctor they will pay for their medschool etc and they will be paid as an officer pay grade and get a rank of CPT when done with med school but then they owe Time.

The Military Academies 100% payed for if you get accepted 100% payed for but again you owe time. Everything is based on service you owe to the military.

To be truthful once he turns 18 he can go in the Military and you can not stop him. Sorry plain fact the only time he needs his parent signature would be if he signed up like I did at the age of 17.

I stayed Enlisted and that is even with me getting a BS Degree that I payed for mostly with Gi Bill, Money, serving extra duty days, extra drills and regular drills and then a job as well.

The most corporate type branch is the Air Force they promote slower than any branch but they have a lot of technical jobs.

Money for time. Fair trade. Nowadays, it's nearly impossible to get in, I read, without a high school diploma. Pretty neat you got in so young. I can't stop him if he wants to go and I can't make him go if he doesn't want to. That is why I'm doing research, so when the time comes I will be ok with his decision. And his decision will be a well informed one, not one that is made in haste from a sales pitch by some desperate recruiter trying to fill a quota for his next promotion or whatever. Yes, I'm one of those moms.:D
 

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kimrose;4388857 said:
Have you heard of Air Force Community College?? I read that it is one that can be used right on base at the education center. They call it the largest community college in the world, because I think you access through portals right there. That could be an avenue, as long as he's "in", anyway. Some people living on base are working on their Master's through this college portal, or so the ** website says, and that's really neat.

And man, those bases are incredible! If it's really as nice as they show, I want to live on one!!:D

We have so much to learn still. And so much to prepare for if he wants to do it, which right now, he is leaning towards as a viable future. I'm glad we're starting now. Maybe by the time he's a senior in two years, we will have enough info for him to make an informed decision.:p:

As far as I know the CCAF was a program that offered degrees but classes had to be taken through other universities. You would basically transfer all of your credits and they would give you a degree for it. Usually people would go through the CCAF to get an AS but would go through a school like Embry-Riddle for anything higher.
 

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Hi Kim --

I'm currently an active duty Officer in the US Army by way of West Point.

The 100% tuition thing depends heavily upon various factors, but generally 100% is reserved only for those Officers that are selected for full-time advanced civil schooling, or essentially, a Masters Degree on the government. However, the Montgomery and Post 9/11 GI Bills provide money for college as well. For both bills, I believe you have to serve a minimum of 6 years in the service in order to be eligible to draw benefits.

Montgomery GI Bill

Post 9/11 GI Bill

As for my experience as a logistician (and now as a law student and future JAG Officer) I have absolutely loved the Army. There is no place where you will be able to get the kind of job security and satisfaction than serving your country, being around Soldiers, and accomplishing the mission with other like-minded individuals who are driven by Patriotism, in my opinion.

If your son is a good student, then I would obviously say that he should consider applying for one, or all three, of the service academies (four if he would like to join the Coast Guard) and should certainly apply for an ROTC scholarship.

The US Air Force Academy offers a major in meteorology, and the Air Force has meteorologists...Colorado Springs, CO is also a great area.

If you have any questions on the service academies, especially West Point, do not hesitate to ask! I will answer as honestly and truthfully as I can.
 

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casmith07;4388938 said:
Hi Kim --

I'm currently an active duty Officer in the US Army by way of West Point.

The 100% tuition thing depends heavily upon various factors, but generally 100% is reserved only for those Officers that are selected for full-time advanced civil schooling, or essentially, a Masters Degree on the government. However, the Montgomery and Post 9/11 GI Bills provide money for college as well. For both bills, I believe you have to serve a minimum of 6 years in the service in order to be eligible to draw benefits.

Montgomery GI Bill

Post 9/11 GI Bill

As for my experience as a logistician (and now as a law student and future JAG Officer) I have absolutely loved the Army. There is no place where you will be able to get the kind of job security and satisfaction than serving your country, being around Soldiers, and accomplishing the mission with other like-minded individuals who are driven by Patriotism, in my opinion.

If your son is a good student, then I would obviously say that he should consider applying for one, or all three, of the service academies (four if he would like to join the Coast Guard) and should certainly apply for an ROTC scholarship.

The US Air Force Academy offers a major in meteorology, and the Air Force has meteorologists...Colorado Springs, CO is also a great area.

If you have any questions on the service academies, especially West Point, do not hesitate to ask! I will answer as honestly and truthfully as I can.

don't know if this has changed but doesn't most of the appointments to either the Trade School, Canoe U and the Colorado Cuckoos require congressional sponsorship?
 

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burmafrd;4388944 said:
don't know if this has changed but doesn't most of the appointments to either the Trade School, Canoe U and the Colorado Cuckoos require congressional sponsorship?

Or a General we had 4 from my Highschool plus more from the other Highschool (we had 2 at the time they have 4 now) that did not count the other areas around that also get people like Coppers Cove etc. I knew a lot that got ROTC scholarships as well.

Then again I graduated from Killeen Highschool (Fort Hood area) which is a large base had has quite a few Generals. San Antonio also has quite a few go because they have Amy Base and Air Force bases (use to be 4 of them)

That was 20 years ago so that may have changed but as far as I know it has not changed on getting an appointment. Congress and High ranking Brass.
 

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my father was in the air force for 24 years. it was the best decision he ever made because it taught him so much in terms of confidence and discipline, & he applies what he's learned at his current job, which he's had since he retired in 1999.
 

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One statistic that should be mentioned, for every one person in the front lines or serving in a forward operations area as a combatant, there are 10-12 people in rear support and logistics roles.
 

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kristie;4389144 said:
my father was in the air force for 24 years. it was the best decision he ever made because it taught him so much in terms of confidence and discipline, & he applies what he's learned at his current job, which he's had since he retired in 1999.

Confidence and discipline. I'm hoping that, if my son decides this is what he wants to do, that it will instill exactly this in him. Re-instill, I should say. He used to have confidence and be the top of his game, but he went through some things that shook him to his core, and has had trouble regaining his place in the universe. I'm looking for a way for him to get "himself" back. He's such a great kid, you know. He doesn't drink or do drugs, he doesn't hurt people, not an unkind word to anyone (except his brother, lol), he volunteers to stay after school to learn something he hasn't mastered yet, helps me and his dad with anything we need, he's got his brother's back, etc. Most kids don't care nowadays. He has done so many wonderful things in his young life. He is a warrior by nature. He is an angel with a broken wing. That's how I see him today. I see that he could do these great things on a grander scale. Never thought the military would be the outlet, but now I think I do.

My dad, when he was in a wheelchair suffering from a broken pelvis caused by his cancer, he called Joey his "left leg", because Joey always insisted on being the one to push his wheelchair through the hospitals and keep him mobile. No one else was allowed to. He was only 13 yrs old. No matter how tough it got to see his Grandpa going through this horrible time, he was always right there beside him, giving freely of himself, anything and everything he had, to my dad who needed so much help. He even assisted me in changing the bandages on my dad's painful wounds. He did this for a year and a half, and was right beside him when my daddy took his last breath. Same thing with my Mom, he was right there for her, doing everything she asked of him, up until the day she died (which was the year after my dad did). Even before they were sick, he was there, doing everything they needed him to do. Not to mention the fact that, due to the extreme circumstances when we first found out my dad had cancer, his grades slipped, and his school decided to kick him out, rather than help him (and even though I fought for help, they wouldn't give it). He had to deal with the emotions from that, while dealing with the emotions of seeing his Grandpa suffer so much. He has the ability to rise above for the task at hand. (great trait for military service, I would think) He's just such a good guy and has not been treated in kind.:mad:

But when my folks died, he did too a little, because he loved them so much. They were so much more than just a huge part of his life. And I cannot even begin to describe all the help and the love and patience he has given to me, for all I have been through, as well. I call him a warrior, champion, hero, and he gets embarrassed. He doesn't understand the great things he has done. He just did them out of love. And for that I owe him my life. How can I best repay him? By giving him what I do not have the money to buy. A wonderful life.

We are still trying to recover from everything. And I just think that fulfilling some lifelong dreams is what he deserves. And it would be good for him, to experience the world and do what he loves to do, and have great structure and discipline, too, which he could use a good dose of. He needs to regain some of what he lost during the terrible times we experienced in the awful days and years that my folks died. For some reason I feel like this may be the way for that to happen. Doesn't come close to any other options he has.
 

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SaltwaterServr;4389154 said:
One statistic that should be mentioned, for every one person in the front lines or serving in a forward operations area as a combatant, there are 10-12 people in rear support and logistics roles.

I don't know why, but a smile crept up on my face reading this. Thanks, Salt.:)
 

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Also the military life is kind of simple you do not have to even be good at your job the basic rule of the military is be where you suppose to be when you are suppose to be. That is 90% of the military if you do that you tend to not have a lot of issues in the military.
 

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Kangaroo;4389567 said:
Also the military life is kind of simple you do not have to even be good at your job the basic rule of the military is be where you suppose to be when you are suppose to be. That is 90% of the military if you do that you tend to not have a lot of issues in the military.

I'm a little offended by your statement that you don't have to be good at your job.

In fact, I will go on record saying it isn't true.

If you're a slacker and don't care about your job then maybe you have a point. But, you will not advance. Your superiors will know you're worthless and you end up shoveling **** for the rest of your tour.

In my old line of work - if you were bad at your job - you were exposed immediately. Shortly after that you were gone.
 

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kapolani;4392222 said:
I'm a little offended by your statement that you don't have to be good at your job.

In fact, I will go on record saying it isn't true.

If you're a slacker and don't care about your job then maybe you have a point. But, you will not advance. Your superiors will know you're worthless and you end up shoveling **** for the rest of your tour.

In my old line of work - if you were bad at your job - you were exposed immediately. Shortly after that you were gone.

sadly I have watched a lot of promotions gotten by brown nosing and making things look good rather then actually accomplishing anything.

In todays military, sadly, as in the rest of the world its all on how you look and appear; not on what you can actually do.
 

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SaltwaterServr;4389154 said:
One statistic that should be mentioned, for every one person in the front lines or serving in a forward operations area as a combatant, there are 10-12 people in rear support and logistics roles.


I think that ratio is about 50% of on the negative side. There are 50,000 in the pentagon alone. Add to that all the desk jockies in every HQ and elsewhere and the ration is more like 20-1.
 

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I was in the Navy for 21 years and I would caution anyone who wants to join the military is that it isn't for everybody, I have seen too many young people who couldn't last past 2 years due to their inability to cope with rigid military structure and unable to take orders from their superiors and end up with BCD, which is a dark cloud above that person who is trying to get employed in civilian job market.

Now I'm not saying your son could be one of those, just letting you know that it isn't that easy and people DO fail in the military and it can affect those with as a civilian.
 
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